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On February 08 2012 23:39 vdale wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 23:26 Megabuster123 wrote:On February 08 2012 23:15 MrCash wrote:
Okay, I was defending Bitter, but that was a pretty bad prediction about Darkforce throwing game away.
I'm so tired of people propagating this silly idea that Ultralisks are bad or only throw games away, especially by zerg players.
Learn to use the unit or watch Stephano, Darkforce and countless other top level zergs use the unit properly.
TB is also guilty of using this silly saying, just because destiny said it once... sigh...
Only 3 Terrans in tournament, going to be rooting for Demuslim in his matches.
Supernova should get past group stages... I hope. No, they're terribad. They were talking about it on Inside The Game yesterday. You don't auto-lose, but they're basically not very good at all. 9 times out of 10, when Stephano as well as most top level zergs win with Ultra's they've already won. And Darkforce almost did throw away that game. No you are wrong. Stephano techs to Ultralisks as fast as possible and he needs them because he doesn't build any/a lot of banelings. Darkforce didn't need Ultralisks in the game, but it's always good to have an army with Ultralisks if you can afford them, because you are not as much depended on Banelings. Also Darkforce didn't almost throw the game away, that was a horrible call by Bitter. He sniped the engineering bay and you can't defeat high upgraded Ultra/Ling/Infestor with 0/0 or 1/1 marines. There was no way Darkforce could have lost that and he played it super safe all the time.
When you have a huge upgrade advantage there's a timing when Ultra's are good, but 9 times out of 10 generally when you're that far ahead in upgrades you tend to be ahead in general and can just kill them anyway. Ultras are very rarely the reason a person wins a game. If anything, they tend to just be a formality.
Darkforce played that last game like a dumbass. He didn't drone, and he wasn't aggressive. If there's anyway to throw a game that's what you do after a huge advantage.
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On February 08 2012 23:42 ChaosTerran wrote:
ultras so good, own everything. Mr. Bitter "unsieged tanks do so much damage"... wtf?
Unsieged tanks have higher dps than sieged tanks but they don't have aoe.
Edit: Double post sorry.
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hehe to bad killer didn't pulled back the last 4 weak ultras, would have saved him tons of resources, for the next push. while he only got a few marines for them.
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Ultras are so retarded - Rotterdam
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those infested terrans popped out fast. scroll click?
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siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiick infestor play 0___o
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killer isn't using the scroll trick. i wonder if anyone would use it or if that'd count as cheating :D
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Those were some scroll-wheel infested marines, I think
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Big mistake to let the 4th totally undefended and uncontested by Killer imo.
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On February 08 2012 23:45 andaylin wrote:
those infested terrans popped out fast. scroll click?
nah, that was way too slow
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Killer is really giving Supernova a run for his money.
Niccccccccccccccccccce!
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So does anyone know what happened to Fenix this time?
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On February 08 2012 23:45 andaylin wrote:
those infested terrans popped out fast. scroll click?
Just move -> shift spawn. Common trick.
Really surprising how good this game is. Expected an easy 2-0 sweep for supernova.
EDIT: To elaborate: start a move command, then hold shift and queue a lot of "spawn infested terran" commands. Then when the infestors arrive at where you told them to move they will execute all the spawn commands almost simultanously.
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On February 08 2012 23:43 Megabuster123 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 23:39 vdale wrote:On February 08 2012 23:26 Megabuster123 wrote:On February 08 2012 23:15 MrCash wrote:
Okay, I was defending Bitter, but that was a pretty bad prediction about Darkforce throwing game away.
I'm so tired of people propagating this silly idea that Ultralisks are bad or only throw games away, especially by zerg players.
Learn to use the unit or watch Stephano, Darkforce and countless other top level zergs use the unit properly.
TB is also guilty of using this silly saying, just because destiny said it once... sigh...
Only 3 Terrans in tournament, going to be rooting for Demuslim in his matches.
Supernova should get past group stages... I hope. No, they're terribad. They were talking about it on Inside The Game yesterday. You don't auto-lose, but they're basically not very good at all. 9 times out of 10, when Stephano as well as most top level zergs win with Ultra's they've already won. And Darkforce almost did throw away that game. No you are wrong. Stephano techs to Ultralisks as fast as possible and he needs them because he doesn't build any/a lot of banelings. Darkforce didn't need Ultralisks in the game, but it's always good to have an army with Ultralisks if you can afford them, because you are not as much depended on Banelings. Also Darkforce didn't almost throw the game away, that was a horrible call by Bitter. He sniped the engineering bay and you can't defeat high upgraded Ultra/Ling/Infestor with 0/0 or 1/1 marines. There was no way Darkforce could have lost that and he played it super safe all the time. When you have a huge upgrade advantage there's a timing when Ultra's are good, but 9 times out of 10 generally when you're that far ahead in upgrades you tend to be ahead in general and can just kill them anyway. Ultras are very rarely the reason a person wins a game. If anything, they tend to just be a formality. Darkforce played that last game like a dumbass. He didn't drone, and he wasn't aggressive. If there's anyway to throw a game that's what you do after a huge advantage.
No you are not ahead 9 times out of 10. That's simply wrong. I watched a lot of Stephano replays and Vods because I wanted to learn the style and Ultralisks are very important to be successful with his style. As long as there are not to many marauder/siegetanks you can always use Ultralisks. If there are to many marauder and tanks, you switch to Broodlords.
Darkforce won and there was no risk at any point in the game. I don't see why you call it playing like a dumbass. You can call it boring, but not dumb.
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On February 08 2012 23:45 HolydaKing wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2012 23:45 andaylin wrote:
those infested terrans popped out fast. scroll click? nah, that was way too slow
looked pretty fast to me lol.
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On February 08 2012 23:45 MrCon wrote:
Big mistake to let the 4th totally undefended and uncontested by Killer imo.
Yes, after he broke Supernova at the choke between the natural and the third he should've pulled back and killed the PF or the third with his ultras and the reinforcements, charging into a terran main with good sim city is one of the mistakes many zergs do
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You dont need scroll-wheel to make infested terrans that fast, i think you can do it that fast without it if you use shift
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Killer played extremely well.
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