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On January 28 2012 17:54 rothsbury wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 17:48 Shindou wrote:On January 28 2012 17:33 openbox1 wrote:On January 28 2012 17:27 mvtaylor wrote:
Erm... Is it just me or is Moletrap / Khaldor AS A DUO not that great..?
They seem to argue about things, a lot. I feel moletrap tends to try to overpower his co-caster. Not deliberately, just subconsciously I guess. Kinda like how Husky never allowed HD to speak back when they were co-casting. You should have seen when moletrap and Doa co-casted. Doa is kinda more of the give-way type so there wasn't so much friction while Khaldor is kinda more of the "no you didn't" type so there's more overt tension. Already seen several examples where moletrap just doesn't listen to his co-caster or repeats or ignores or talks over his co-casters. We don't see that too much with other dual casters. Even when Artosis interrupts some spiel by tasteless or vice-versa, they at least acknowledge they're interrupting because of some sudden game development. I think Moletrap is pretty good as a single caster, but he needs someone like DoA or some other passive caster to play to his strengths. I like how he tries to research before casts as well, but sometimes his facts are wrong. I'm not sure about how these guys are outside of this, but they definitely step on each other's toes a lot and do not gel well at all. They really aren't entertaining at all which is what makes sc2 fun to watch. The casters bring a lot to watching live matches. They hardly ever make jokes either, and when tehy do they are matter of fact or just not funny at all. Can't ask tastosis to cast every game, but anytime they aren't casting it's a huge bummer... nobody comes close Wolf (solo or in combo) is miles ahead of khaldor/moletrap. I just don't like khaldor or moletrap at all though, no matter with whom they're paired.
I would like to add that they don't know at all the SC2 korean scene, and usually just pull TLPD stats out of their ass. I mean "Oz's PvT is his worst matchup!"? The TLPD stats don't tell the full story, Oz's PvT is very good and he beat MMA in a Bo5.
This combo lacks an analytic caster overall, aka Wolf or Artosis.
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I'm always happy to see pros trying out quirky new strats. Gets kinda boring just seeing high level standard muta/ling/bling play every single zvt tbh. It was actually an interesting strat, just not that well executed and everything seemed to go wrong for him. The drop harass was neat but not very well done and hydras with some infestors woulda been kinda interesting with that big broodlord switch to defend from the few # of vikings, too bad they all died in the nydus..
Woulda loved to see that game if his harass went better, nydus didn't die and that hidden base didn't get scouted so fast. I'm really surprised Supernova sent that scv to scout that at that timing... most pros neglect to do that, I guess supernova is just that good, that really foiled Line's plans and made his timings too late I'm sure.
PS- Khaldor/Moletrap did fine, ignore the entitled little haters who always find a reason to whine and bash. Also saying Khaldor knows nothing about the korean scene is a sad joke, he put effort into casting and bringing us korean content even outside of the gsl on his free time... Stupid haters. You can't have your favorite caster casting every single game, jobs have rotating shifts, get over it armchair critics.
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On January 28 2012 17:50 DYEAlabaster wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 17:46 Inflicted_ wrote:On January 28 2012 17:44 DYEAlabaster wrote:On January 28 2012 17:42 Inflicted_ wrote:On January 28 2012 17:41 XRaDiiX wrote:
If he didnt lose that Nydus he probably could have won. Yep, pretty cool strategy imo. Except that SuperNova didn't even feel the need to pull back 4 medivacs full of units when Life All-inned Yeah, but everything actually looked good up until that point. Defending 3 bases from drop/pushes using Roach Hydra Infestor while doing small harassment, then teching to Broodlord and destroying the Tank/bio before they can react. Looks like a viable strategy, at least. Letting your third die to drops because you don't have enough of anything to take out the army at your front door isn't really "dealing with drops". Strat is anything but viable, just a gimicky stupid thing used to throw off SuperNova. Didn't work very well.
That's because he was waiting for broodlords at that exact moment. Leenock has sacrificed his 3rd, 4th and 5th in order to buy time for his Broodlords, but you can't call Mutaling -> Broodlords a bad strategy.
I agree that Life's execution was pretty bad, but overall, the strategy looks somewhat viable and might look good if polished up and executed better.
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On January 28 2012 17:56 silverstyle wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 17:54 rothsbury wrote:On January 28 2012 17:48 Shindou wrote:On January 28 2012 17:33 openbox1 wrote:On January 28 2012 17:27 mvtaylor wrote:
Erm... Is it just me or is Moletrap / Khaldor AS A DUO not that great..?
They seem to argue about things, a lot. I feel moletrap tends to try to overpower his co-caster. Not deliberately, just subconsciously I guess. Kinda like how Husky never allowed HD to speak back when they were co-casting. You should have seen when moletrap and Doa co-casted. Doa is kinda more of the give-way type so there wasn't so much friction while Khaldor is kinda more of the "no you didn't" type so there's more overt tension. Already seen several examples where moletrap just doesn't listen to his co-caster or repeats or ignores or talks over his co-casters. We don't see that too much with other dual casters. Even when Artosis interrupts some spiel by tasteless or vice-versa, they at least acknowledge they're interrupting because of some sudden game development. I think Moletrap is pretty good as a single caster, but he needs someone like DoA or some other passive caster to play to his strengths. I like how he tries to research before casts as well, but sometimes his facts are wrong. I'm not sure about how these guys are outside of this, but they definitely step on each other's toes a lot and do not gel well at all. They really aren't entertaining at all which is what makes sc2 fun to watch. The casters bring a lot to watching live matches. They hardly ever make jokes either, and when tehy do they are matter of fact or just not funny at all. Can't ask tastosis to cast every game, but anytime they aren't casting it's a huge bummer... nobody comes close Wolf (solo or in combo) is miles ahead of khaldor/moletrap. I just don't like khaldor or moletrap at all though, no matter with whom they're paired. Wolf and Khaldor is great, Wolf and Moletrap isnt too bad. Khaldor alone is actually quite ok also. But Khaldor and Moletrap is abit of a clash IMO.
I like Khaldor solo, I stopped watching KSL when he was gone. Even if I don't care who's playing, I'll put it on in the background to listen to Khaldor. Wolf is good all around, though I haven't heard him solo much. I used to enjoy Moletrap's BW vids on Youtube; now that there are better casters around and I'm comparing him to them, he's definitely not a favorite, but I still like him with Wolf and Khaldor. I was enjoying him and Khaldor going on with the puns today -- Moletrap would make a bad joke, and Khaldor would slam how bad it was. Pretty entertaining to me. I disliked Doa, though, especially with Moletrap, that combo didn't work at all.
Eh, different people have different opinions, I guess, go figure -.- Which is fine, just something everyone should keep in mind.
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Had to leave after Fin lost, just checked the results. Really surprised that oGs sent out another terran after Extreme killed three of them, even more surprised that it worked. Good showing by Zenex, though.
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No idea if oGs and TL have had any sort of discussion about this but TheWind has almost no reason to play a TL player.
He'd rather chuck out his "lesser" oGs players to get experience in the early stages and has oGs players who rank higher than the TL ones to use later, bit of a shame tbh
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On January 28 2012 18:01 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 17:54 rothsbury wrote:On January 28 2012 17:48 Shindou wrote:On January 28 2012 17:33 openbox1 wrote:On January 28 2012 17:27 mvtaylor wrote:
Erm... Is it just me or is Moletrap / Khaldor AS A DUO not that great..?
They seem to argue about things, a lot. I feel moletrap tends to try to overpower his co-caster. Not deliberately, just subconsciously I guess. Kinda like how Husky never allowed HD to speak back when they were co-casting. You should have seen when moletrap and Doa co-casted. Doa is kinda more of the give-way type so there wasn't so much friction while Khaldor is kinda more of the "no you didn't" type so there's more overt tension. Already seen several examples where moletrap just doesn't listen to his co-caster or repeats or ignores or talks over his co-casters. We don't see that too much with other dual casters. Even when Artosis interrupts some spiel by tasteless or vice-versa, they at least acknowledge they're interrupting because of some sudden game development. I think Moletrap is pretty good as a single caster, but he needs someone like DoA or some other passive caster to play to his strengths. I like how he tries to research before casts as well, but sometimes his facts are wrong. I'm not sure about how these guys are outside of this, but they definitely step on each other's toes a lot and do not gel well at all. They really aren't entertaining at all which is what makes sc2 fun to watch. The casters bring a lot to watching live matches. They hardly ever make jokes either, and when tehy do they are matter of fact or just not funny at all. Can't ask tastosis to cast every game, but anytime they aren't casting it's a huge bummer... nobody comes close Wolf (solo or in combo) is miles ahead of khaldor/moletrap. I just don't like khaldor or moletrap at all though, no matter with whom they're paired. I would like to add that they don't know at all the SC2 korean scene, and usually just pull TLPD stats out of their ass. I mean "Oz's PvT is his worst matchup!"? The TLPD stats don't tell the full story, Oz's PvT is very good and he beat MMA in a Bo5. This combo lacks an analytic caster overall, aka Wolf or Artosis.
I wouldn't really say beating mma in a pvt really means all that much. I mean if you beat mma in tvt or tvz that is sick, but his tvp has always been a lot weaker.
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Wow looks like Artosis is right about Supernova.
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d'oh, woke up at 4 am for gstl and realized I forgot they change the time on saturdays  /sigh
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On January 28 2012 18:17 Yamulo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 18:01 ZenithM wrote:On January 28 2012 17:54 rothsbury wrote:On January 28 2012 17:48 Shindou wrote:On January 28 2012 17:33 openbox1 wrote:On January 28 2012 17:27 mvtaylor wrote:
Erm... Is it just me or is Moletrap / Khaldor AS A DUO not that great..?
They seem to argue about things, a lot. I feel moletrap tends to try to overpower his co-caster. Not deliberately, just subconsciously I guess. Kinda like how Husky never allowed HD to speak back when they were co-casting. You should have seen when moletrap and Doa co-casted. Doa is kinda more of the give-way type so there wasn't so much friction while Khaldor is kinda more of the "no you didn't" type so there's more overt tension. Already seen several examples where moletrap just doesn't listen to his co-caster or repeats or ignores or talks over his co-casters. We don't see that too much with other dual casters. Even when Artosis interrupts some spiel by tasteless or vice-versa, they at least acknowledge they're interrupting because of some sudden game development. I think Moletrap is pretty good as a single caster, but he needs someone like DoA or some other passive caster to play to his strengths. I like how he tries to research before casts as well, but sometimes his facts are wrong. I'm not sure about how these guys are outside of this, but they definitely step on each other's toes a lot and do not gel well at all. They really aren't entertaining at all which is what makes sc2 fun to watch. The casters bring a lot to watching live matches. They hardly ever make jokes either, and when tehy do they are matter of fact or just not funny at all. Can't ask tastosis to cast every game, but anytime they aren't casting it's a huge bummer... nobody comes close Wolf (solo or in combo) is miles ahead of khaldor/moletrap. I just don't like khaldor or moletrap at all though, no matter with whom they're paired. I would like to add that they don't know at all the SC2 korean scene, and usually just pull TLPD stats out of their ass. I mean "Oz's PvT is his worst matchup!"? The TLPD stats don't tell the full story, Oz's PvT is very good and he beat MMA in a Bo5. This combo lacks an analytic caster overall, aka Wolf or Artosis. I wouldn't really say beating mma in a pvt really means all that much. I mean if you beat mma in tvt or tvz that is sick, but his tvp has always been a lot weaker.
Yeah, I mean, that's just a reference to yesterday when they put MMA as a huge favorite against Oz. In fact it was pretty much the opposite. Without that well placed bunker, MMA would have had a hard time beating Oz.
And to the hater-haters, we still have the right to give criticism on whoever is casting, without necessarily being haters. I'm sorry, but Moletrap and Khaldor don't have that good of a synergy, are not very funny and not very analytical either. What they are good at however, is describing the action to the viewer in a fairly exciting fashion. They definitely can improve, and always saying that everything is great and they are sick casters and shit doesn't help them to do so.
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I wouldn't really say beating mma in a pvt really means all that much. I mean if you beat mma in tvt or tvz that is sick, but his tvp has always been a lot weaker.
I don't think there is any terran that you can say "only a really good protoss will beat him in a best of "x" " against protoss.
TvP is far far far too unstable to ever consistently let the better player advance. Example would be MMA vs Oz. he's favored even though his TvP is not near as good as his TvT and TvZ but nobody would argue at all that Oz is a better SC2 player than MMA. It's clearly one sided on who is the better player. But because of the extremely unstable nature of the TvP matchup Oz could humiliate MMA in a BoX easily.
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I'm the only one who is having problems with the GOM site?
The day is wrong (29th here, actually is 28th). The schedule is crazy and I can't get the link to the streamer ¬¬
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On January 28 2012 18:33 Herect wrote:
I'm the only one who is having problems with the GOM site?
The day is wrong (29th here, actually is 28th). The schedule is crazy and I can't get the link to the streamer ¬¬
You missed it.
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On January 28 2012 18:35 Die4Ever wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 18:33 Herect wrote:
I'm the only one who is having problems with the GOM site?
The day is wrong (29th here, actually is 28th). The schedule is crazy and I can't get the link to the streamer ¬¬ You missed it.
Oh, i get it. =(
Today was 4 hours early...
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Who in the cave is Extreme???!!
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On January 28 2012 18:38 Herect wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2012 18:35 Die4Ever wrote:On January 28 2012 18:33 Herect wrote:
I'm the only one who is having problems with the GOM site?
The day is wrong (29th here, actually is 28th). The schedule is crazy and I can't get the link to the streamer ¬¬ You missed it. Oh, i get it. =( Today was 4 hours early...
Generally is the case on the weekends! (So you know in future  )
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On January 28 2012 18:21 Auren wrote:d'oh, woke up at 4 am for gstl and realized I forgot they change the time on saturdays /sigh
lol same here =.=
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i'm surprised they threw out all their terrans vs the Ps seeing how excellent InCa and Cezanne are vP snipers. They must be playing pretty mediocre currently to not be send out or the coach suffers from IM Coach syndrom
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On January 28 2012 18:21 Auren wrote:d'oh, woke up at 4 am for gstl and realized I forgot they change the time on saturdays /sigh
me 2
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Thanks to Extreme for making it interesting...
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Never heard of Extreme before. GG oGs
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