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mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
January 28 2012 08:50 GMT
#2141
Pics of the interviewer girl?!?!
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
canonised
Profile Joined May 2011
71 Posts
January 28 2012 08:50 GMT
#2142
Watch next week you'll see a TL thread talking about the new oGs player: oGsLife
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
January 28 2012 08:50 GMT
#2143
4AM here in US, not really much better no.
twitch.tv/medrea
DYEAlabaster
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada1009 Posts
January 28 2012 08:50 GMT
#2144
On January 28 2012 17:46 Inflicted_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2012 17:44 DYEAlabaster wrote:
On January 28 2012 17:42 Inflicted_ wrote:
On January 28 2012 17:41 XRaDiiX wrote:
If he didnt lose that Nydus he probably could have won.


Yep, pretty cool strategy imo.


Except that SuperNova didn't even feel the need to pull back 4 medivacs full of units when Life All-inned


Yeah, but everything actually looked good up until that point. Defending 3 bases from drop/pushes using Roach Hydra Infestor while doing small harassment, then teching to Broodlord and destroying the Tank/bio before they can react.

Looks like a viable strategy, at least.


Letting your third die to drops because you don't have enough of anything to take out the army at your front door isn't really "dealing with drops". Strat is anything but viable, just a gimicky stupid thing used to throw off SuperNova. Didn't work very well.
openbox1
Profile Joined March 2011
1393 Posts
January 28 2012 08:50 GMT
#2145
On January 28 2012 17:46 eviltomahawk wrote:
Hot interviewer girl's back



You guys come across as such pervs
Seriously, her back???
When was the last time you went out on a date?

J/K
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
January 28 2012 08:51 GMT
#2146
Did they change their schedule? I thought tomorrow was Code A.
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17739 Posts
January 28 2012 08:51 GMT
#2147
On January 28 2012 17:49 Talack wrote:
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On January 28 2012 17:47 Die4Ever wrote:
I think Life's idea was using broodlords to unseige tanks and kill everything on the ground, and using the hydras along with queens against the vikings.


Forcing the tanks to unsiege and comming in with mass roach/infestor in theory would work incredibly well but it was very poorly executed. Roaches vs marines without tanks and even upgrades are actually quite good. If you tossed in fungals ontop of them that would be an extremely cost effective fight for the zerg.

Also don't forget that upgraded hydras outrange MM
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BathTubNZ
Profile Joined December 2011
New Zealand2556 Posts
January 28 2012 08:51 GMT
#2148
Wait this is played already? Guess I missed that this one started earlier.
canonised
Profile Joined May 2011
71 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-28 08:53:52
January 28 2012 08:52 GMT
#2149
hitpoint
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1511 Posts
January 28 2012 08:52 GMT
#2150
On January 28 2012 17:51 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2012 17:49 Talack wrote:
On January 28 2012 17:47 Die4Ever wrote:
I think Life's idea was using broodlords to unseige tanks and kill everything on the ground, and using the hydras along with queens against the vikings.


Forcing the tanks to unsiege and comming in with mass roach/infestor in theory would work incredibly well but it was very poorly executed. Roaches vs marines without tanks and even upgrades are actually quite good. If you tossed in fungals ontop of them that would be an extremely cost effective fight for the zerg.

Also don't forget that upgraded hydras outrange MM


Same range as marauders.
It's spelled LOSE not LOOSE.
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
January 28 2012 08:52 GMT
#2151
On January 28 2012 17:51 Fionn wrote:
Did they change their schedule? I thought tomorrow was Code A.


tomorrow is Sunday, there's never games on Sunday o_O

Does look like they are going tues -> sat rather than mon -> fri though
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
January 28 2012 08:52 GMT
#2152
On January 28 2012 17:48 rothsbury wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2012 17:46 Inflicted_ wrote:
On January 28 2012 17:44 DYEAlabaster wrote:
On January 28 2012 17:42 Inflicted_ wrote:
On January 28 2012 17:41 XRaDiiX wrote:
If he didnt lose that Nydus he probably could have won.


Yep, pretty cool strategy imo.


Except that SuperNova didn't even feel the need to pull back 4 medivacs full of units when Life All-inned


Yeah, but everything actually looked good up until that point. Defending 3 bases from drop/pushes using Roach Hydra Infestor while doing small harassment, then teching to Broodlord and destroying the Tank/bio before they can react.

Looks like a viable strategy, at least.

The switch into lots of broodlords only worked because supernova was completely unprepared, and those broods were the only thing life had going for him. If supernova had scouted / expected the hive/spire, he could have pulled back and gotten vikings, and then game over.


Yeah, but that's the point. You don't expect someone to go from Roach/Hydra into Infestor into drops into Broodlord. It's good at catching someone off guard, while having a gameplan so you aren't just going with the flow.
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canonised
Profile Joined May 2011
71 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-28 08:54:08
January 28 2012 08:53 GMT
#2153
On January 28 2012 17:52 Asha` wrote:
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On January 28 2012 17:51 Fionn wrote:
Did they change their schedule? I thought tomorrow was Code A.


tomorrow is Sunday, there's never games on Sunday o_O

Does look like they are going tues -> sat rather than mon -> fri though


I totally didn't look at the date, o_0
rothsbury
Profile Joined January 2012
Australia1654 Posts
January 28 2012 08:54 GMT
#2154
On January 28 2012 17:48 Shindou wrote:
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On January 28 2012 17:33 openbox1 wrote:
On January 28 2012 17:27 mvtaylor wrote:
Erm... Is it just me or is Moletrap / Khaldor AS A DUO not that great..?

They seem to argue about things, a lot.


I feel moletrap tends to try to overpower his co-caster. Not deliberately, just subconsciously I guess. Kinda like how Husky never allowed HD to speak back when they were co-casting.

You should have seen when moletrap and Doa co-casted. Doa is kinda more of the give-way type so there wasn't so much friction while Khaldor is kinda more of the "no you didn't" type so there's more overt tension.

Already seen several examples where moletrap just doesn't listen to his co-caster or repeats or ignores or talks over his co-casters. We don't see that too much with other dual casters. Even when Artosis interrupts some spiel by tasteless or vice-versa, they at least acknowledge they're interrupting because of some sudden game development.

I think Moletrap is pretty good as a single caster, but he needs someone like DoA or some other passive caster to play to his strengths. I like how he tries to research before casts as well, but sometimes his facts are wrong.


I'm not sure about how these guys are outside of this, but they definitely step on each other's toes a lot and do not gel well at all. They really aren't entertaining at all which is what makes sc2 fun to watch. The casters bring a lot to watching live matches. They hardly ever make jokes either, and when tehy do they are matter of fact or just not funny at all. Can't ask tastosis to cast every game, but anytime they aren't casting it's a huge bummer... nobody comes close

Wolf (solo or in combo) is miles ahead of khaldor/moletrap. I just don't like khaldor or moletrap at all though, no matter with whom they're paired.
Zaphid
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1860 Posts
January 28 2012 08:55 GMT
#2155
On January 28 2012 17:50 mizU wrote:
Pics of the interviewer girl?!?!

I second that
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Aiua
Profile Joined November 2010
France11 Posts
January 28 2012 08:56 GMT
#2156
.....1 why are hydras aweful vs terran when they rip through gateway armies like paper


Just look to hydras like a stimed marauder :
-Around 80hp, around 10 dmg, good ias.

Can you beat marines/tank/medivacs with JUST stimed marauders ?
-No.
So even if you add roaches, hydras are still bad against terran in frontal engagements. (but i feel like it wasnt life's plan)
neckgripper
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada100 Posts
January 28 2012 08:56 GMT
#2157
i think life would've won if he saved his units in the nydus and have it back up his brood lord army taking out the main of the terrans. All of terrans production would be fukt and his only army left was marines and marauders and they would not be able to beat the broodlords/roaches and hydras combo. Honestly, i like life's creativity and i encourage him to keep thinking up plays like this.
silverstyle
Profile Joined May 2011
Singapore1108 Posts
January 28 2012 08:56 GMT
#2158
On January 28 2012 17:54 rothsbury wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2012 17:48 Shindou wrote:
On January 28 2012 17:33 openbox1 wrote:
On January 28 2012 17:27 mvtaylor wrote:
Erm... Is it just me or is Moletrap / Khaldor AS A DUO not that great..?

They seem to argue about things, a lot.


I feel moletrap tends to try to overpower his co-caster. Not deliberately, just subconsciously I guess. Kinda like how Husky never allowed HD to speak back when they were co-casting.

You should have seen when moletrap and Doa co-casted. Doa is kinda more of the give-way type so there wasn't so much friction while Khaldor is kinda more of the "no you didn't" type so there's more overt tension.

Already seen several examples where moletrap just doesn't listen to his co-caster or repeats or ignores or talks over his co-casters. We don't see that too much with other dual casters. Even when Artosis interrupts some spiel by tasteless or vice-versa, they at least acknowledge they're interrupting because of some sudden game development.

I think Moletrap is pretty good as a single caster, but he needs someone like DoA or some other passive caster to play to his strengths. I like how he tries to research before casts as well, but sometimes his facts are wrong.


I'm not sure about how these guys are outside of this, but they definitely step on each other's toes a lot and do not gel well at all. They really aren't entertaining at all which is what makes sc2 fun to watch. The casters bring a lot to watching live matches. They hardly ever make jokes either, and when tehy do they are matter of fact or just not funny at all. Can't ask tastosis to cast every game, but anytime they aren't casting it's a huge bummer... nobody comes close

Wolf (solo or in combo) is miles ahead of khaldor/moletrap. I just don't like khaldor or moletrap at all though, no matter with whom they're paired.


Wolf and Khaldor is great, Wolf and Moletrap isnt too bad. Khaldor alone is actually quite ok also. But Khaldor and Moletrap is abit of a clash IMO.
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rothsbury
Profile Joined January 2012
Australia1654 Posts
January 28 2012 08:56 GMT
#2159
On January 28 2012 17:52 Inflicted_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2012 17:48 rothsbury wrote:
On January 28 2012 17:46 Inflicted_ wrote:
On January 28 2012 17:44 DYEAlabaster wrote:
On January 28 2012 17:42 Inflicted_ wrote:
On January 28 2012 17:41 XRaDiiX wrote:
If he didnt lose that Nydus he probably could have won.


Yep, pretty cool strategy imo.


Except that SuperNova didn't even feel the need to pull back 4 medivacs full of units when Life All-inned


Yeah, but everything actually looked good up until that point. Defending 3 bases from drop/pushes using Roach Hydra Infestor while doing small harassment, then teching to Broodlord and destroying the Tank/bio before they can react.

Looks like a viable strategy, at least.

The switch into lots of broodlords only worked because supernova was completely unprepared, and those broods were the only thing life had going for him. If supernova had scouted / expected the hive/spire, he could have pulled back and gotten vikings, and then game over.


Yeah, but that's the point. You don't expect someone to go from Roach/Hydra into Infestor into drops into Broodlord. It's good at catching someone off guard, while having a gameplan so you aren't just going with the flow.

If it relies on someone never having seen the strategy before and not knowing how to deal with it, then it's not a viable strategy.
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
January 28 2012 09:00 GMT
#2160
On January 28 2012 17:56 neckgripper wrote:
i think life would've won if he saved his units in the nydus and have it back up his brood lord army taking out the main of the terrans. All of terrans production would be fukt and his only army left was marines and marauders and they would not be able to beat the broodlords/roaches and hydras combo. Honestly, i like life's creativity and i encourage him to keep thinking up plays like this.


I agree he lost about 10 hydras 10 + roaches and some infestors in the nydus He actually had that game if he just would have made that Forward Nydus in time to re-inforce.
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