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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
January 27 2012 11:37 GMT
#1761
On January 27 2012 20:36 jjhchsc2 wrote:
after leenock FXo have ASD, OZ and gumiho
slayers have ryung taeja and yu gi oh.

wouldnt be surprised if
MMA>leenock
Oz>MMA
Oz> taeja

you pretty much have to. there's no way gumiho or asd are strong enough tvt to take down mma or ryung
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29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5725 Posts
January 27 2012 11:37 GMT
#1762
leenock vs mma. looking forward to a good game!
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
elwoodng
Profile Joined August 2011
Singapore438 Posts
January 27 2012 11:37 GMT
#1763
On January 27 2012 20:34 Ryncol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 20:34 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
On January 27 2012 20:32 Bayyne wrote:
On January 27 2012 20:31 Greggle wrote:
On January 27 2012 20:31 Bayyne wrote:
I'd leave Oz till the end, MMA's TvZ > his TvP.


That's why you use Oz now, rather than waste Leenock.


You were saying?


Terrible decision by Choya. If anybody is going to kill Leenock it'll be MMA.

Agreed.

Maybe Leenock has a specialized build for MMA or Oz has been crushing everybody in practice. Not saying that is the case for sure or that I agree with Choya but it's a possibility.
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
January 27 2012 11:37 GMT
#1764
It's nice that the waiting screen now gives all the info - league, teams, current score, current players, and even casters.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
Archybaldie
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom818 Posts
January 27 2012 11:38 GMT
#1765
i'm kinda curious how that battle would have played out if the ultra's were split into 3 groups and sent up the different ramps that were accessable.

Not sure if it would have been any better or any worse ... but id like to know lol
I'm in the bubblewrap league ... i just keep getting popped
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
January 27 2012 11:38 GMT
#1766
On January 27 2012 20:37 Megabuster123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 20:35 Pipeline wrote:
On January 27 2012 20:32 xongnox wrote:
On January 27 2012 20:30 Kireak wrote:
standard. ultras into losing the whole freaking game.

Cant ever seem to get a good engagement with them bastards.

maybe see Stephano or DRG ?


Stephano and DRG both struggle against terran late game on Antiga. I think most macro zergs are. The map is designed to funnel everything into the centre. If you dont kill the terran early or hold control over the centre you will not have enough gas as zerg to kill a terran on 3 bases.

DRG has said in the past that Antiga is a bullshit map ZvT because of how easy terran's get an uncontested 3rd.


and it's a bitch for the zerg to get their 4th
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
January 27 2012 11:38 GMT
#1767
On January 27 2012 20:37 elwoodng wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 20:34 Ryncol wrote:
On January 27 2012 20:34 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
On January 27 2012 20:32 Bayyne wrote:
On January 27 2012 20:31 Greggle wrote:
On January 27 2012 20:31 Bayyne wrote:
I'd leave Oz till the end, MMA's TvZ > his TvP.


That's why you use Oz now, rather than waste Leenock.


You were saying?


Terrible decision by Choya. If anybody is going to kill Leenock it'll be MMA.

Agreed.

Maybe Leenock has a specialized build for MMA or Oz has been crushing everybody in practice. Not saying that is the case for sure or that I agree with Choya but it's a possibility.

Oz also plays MMA next in code S. They might be hoping to keep oz from having to play mma now to keep his strats secret
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Megabuster123
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada1837 Posts
January 27 2012 11:38 GMT
#1768
On January 27 2012 20:36 jjhchsc2 wrote:
after leenock FXo have ASD, OZ and gumiho
slayers have ryung taeja and yu gi oh.

wouldnt be surprised if
MMA>leenock
Oz>MMA
Oz> taeja

I think Taeja could beat Oz but that's just me. He's also not here today I don't think.
Seraphone
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom1219 Posts
January 27 2012 11:38 GMT
#1769
I agree with everyone else. Should have used Oz first.
Mvp, Nestea, Leenock, MC, Oz, Jjakji!
Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
January 27 2012 11:38 GMT
#1770
On January 27 2012 20:36 jjhchsc2 wrote:
after leenock FXo have ASD, OZ and gumiho
slayers have ryung taeja and yu gi oh.

wouldnt be surprised if
MMA>leenock
Oz>MMA
Oz> taeja


Taeja is not there.
♦ My Life for BESTie ♦ 류세라 = 배 ♦
ThaSlayer
Profile Joined March 2011
707 Posts
January 27 2012 11:38 GMT
#1771
Its funny how zergs always complain about ultras when they are actually suicided into PFs.
(think supernova vs leenock)
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
January 27 2012 11:38 GMT
#1772
Isn't this ultra bashing getting a little ridiculous? Its not like people went "holy shit marine/tank sucks balls" when Clide got owned by Lucky. Whenever someone builds ultras and doesn't win, people go apeshit.

He attacked into a bad position, that's all there is to it.
jjmmtt
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia995 Posts
January 27 2012 11:38 GMT
#1773
On January 27 2012 20:37 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 20:36 jjhchsc2 wrote:
after leenock FXo have ASD, OZ and gumiho
slayers have ryung taeja and yu gi oh.

wouldnt be surprised if
MMA>leenock
Oz>MMA
Oz> taeja

you pretty much have to. there's no way gumiho or asd are strong enough tvt to take down mma or ryung


Taeja isn't in the slayers line up though.
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
January 27 2012 11:38 GMT
#1774
On January 27 2012 20:36 zimms wrote:
It's getting ridiculous how all the zerg players only blame the map and ultras again. Lucky threw the game away.
Was kinda the same like a terran player move-commanding all his marines into banelings.


It's incredibly hard to get a 4th on Antiga against a 3 base Terran because 8 marines in a drop-ship can deny your 4th when Zerg needs to throw half an army away to kill PF's at the centre base.

It's really hard when Terran has control of the center and marines are so effective at shutting down bases.
Never GG MKP | IdrA
HandsomeDevil
Profile Joined May 2011
United States32 Posts
January 27 2012 11:38 GMT
#1775
On January 27 2012 20:36 Arc1 wrote:
He went full ultra. Never go full ultra.

Hahaha nice.
Life is too important to be taken seriously -Oscar Wilde
GodOfWar
Profile Joined December 2011
870 Posts
January 27 2012 11:39 GMT
#1776
On January 27 2012 20:36 jjhchsc2 wrote:
after leenock FXo have ASD, OZ and gumiho
slayers have ryung taeja and yu gi oh.

wouldnt be surprised if
MMA>leenock
Oz>MMA
Oz> taeja


replace Taeja with GanZi and you have two top players left for SlayerS
Mvp Moon Squirtle
Shock710
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia6097 Posts
January 27 2012 11:39 GMT
#1777
[QUOTE]On January 27 2012 20:38 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
[QUOTE]On January 27 2012 20:37 Megabuster123 wrote:
[QUOTE]On January 27 2012 20:35 Pipeline wrote:
[QUOTE]On January 27 2012 20:32 xongnox wrote:
[QUOTE]On January 27 2012 20:30 Kireak wrote:
standard. ultras into losing the whole freaking game.

Cant ever seem to get a good engagement with them bastards.[/QUOTE]
maybe see Stephano or DRG ?[/QUOTE]

Stephano and DRG both struggle against terran late game on Antiga. I think most macro zergs are. The map is designed to funnel everything into the centre. If you dont kill the terran early or hold control over the centre you will not have enough gas as zerg to kill a terran on 3 bases.[/QUOTE]
DRG has said in the past that Antiga is a bullshit map ZvT because of how easy terran's get an uncontested 3rd.[/QUOTE]

LOL, is DRG the sc2-bisu, complains about maps then goes and crushes people on those maps lol
dAPhREAk gives Shock a * | [23:55] <Shock710> that was out of context -_- [16:26] <@motbob> Good question, Shock!
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
January 27 2012 11:39 GMT
#1778
On January 27 2012 20:33 frucisky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2012 20:32 Arceus wrote:
tbh it's too hard to find a good spot to engage in that situation. Anyway Lucky did lose patience and choked

You need to remember lucky does not have full map vision like us.

I think a lotta pro zergs would have attacked in that situation. He was maxed, at an upgrade advantage. What else can he do? Wait for terran to get 3/3 and deal with drops everywhere?

I think the main problem was his unit composition. He needed banelings.

I was blaming the map. What else can you do when terran controls the center with everything and has PF in low ground ? Lucky did a good job in spreading out the ultras and pullin some nice fungals too but still not enough to kill the PF or eliminate the high-ground army (killed a reasonable amount of tanks though). The positioning of terran is too good to break
So yeah, maybe Lucky should modify army composition a lil bit, try some sneaky harassment to drive attention away from the center etc
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
January 27 2012 11:39 GMT
#1779
Oh damn, Leenock vs MMA!
Megaman_X
Profile Joined October 2011
United States164 Posts
January 27 2012 11:39 GMT
#1780
On January 27 2012 20:35 Bayyne wrote:
People bash Ultras because they expect them to be a godlike unit, when it's not. It has 1 purpose: to clear forcefields.

and when you want to lose when you're far ahead
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