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On January 27 2012 20:40 Ryncol wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2012 20:38 Shellshock1122 wrote:On January 27 2012 20:37 elwoodng wrote:On January 27 2012 20:34 Ryncol wrote:On January 27 2012 20:34 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On January 27 2012 20:32 Bayyne wrote:On January 27 2012 20:31 Greggle wrote:On January 27 2012 20:31 Bayyne wrote:
I'd leave Oz till the end, MMA's TvZ > his TvP. That's why you use Oz now, rather than waste Leenock. You were saying? Terrible decision by Choya. If anybody is going to kill Leenock it'll be MMA. Agreed. Maybe Leenock has a specialized build for MMA or Oz has been crushing everybody in practice. Not saying that is the case for sure or that I agree with Choya but it's a possibility. Oz also plays MMA next in code S. They might be hoping to keep oz from having to play mma now to keep his strats secret You think it's worth it? It seems kind of risky to risk falling out of the GSTL when Oz could still advance even if he somehow doesn't beat MMA in the ro16. And I think that he'd probably be able to do it anyway.
teams don't value gstl as much as individual leagues unfortunately.
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On January 27 2012 20:38 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2012 20:37 Megabuster123 wrote:On January 27 2012 20:35 Pipeline wrote:On January 27 2012 20:32 xongnox wrote:On January 27 2012 20:30 Kireak wrote:
standard. ultras into losing the whole freaking game.
Cant ever seem to get a good engagement with them bastards. maybe see Stephano or DRG ? Stephano and DRG both struggle against terran late game on Antiga. I think most macro zergs are. The map is designed to funnel everything into the centre. If you dont kill the terran early or hold control over the centre you will not have enough gas as zerg to kill a terran on 3 bases. DRG has said in the past that Antiga is a bullshit map ZvT because of how easy terran's get an uncontested 3rd. and it's a bitch for the zerg to get their 4th
Yes, ones terran get's 3base he will push to the middle, and it's just not possible to flank anymore. There will only be the small chokes Lucky tried to pass trough and that destroyed him, eventhough he killed the entire army just before.
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On January 27 2012 20:39 DrPandaPhD wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2012 20:38 Bagi wrote:
Isn't this ultra bashing getting a little ridiculous? Its not like people went "holy shit marine/tank sucks balls" when Clide got owned by Lucky. Whenever someone builds ultras and doesn't win, people go apeshit.
He attacked into a bad position, that's all there is to it. Except for the fact that marine/tank actually works. Ultras is the same reason no protoss ever uses carriers. They're useless
I've seen them win handily plenty of times, like completely and utterly demolish good players, MVP included, but by all means, continue whining.
Merine imba, ultra why?merine win.
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On January 27 2012 20:39 Megaman_X wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2012 20:35 Bayyne wrote:
People bash Ultras because they expect them to be a godlike unit, when it's not. It has 1 purpose: to clear forcefields. and when you want to lose when you're far ahead
Or perhaps when you want to win games if you know how to properly engage instead of A-moving your ling Bling army.
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lol !!!! that cheerful <3
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On January 27 2012 20:39 Bayyne wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2012 20:36 Greggle wrote:On January 27 2012 20:32 Bayyne wrote:On January 27 2012 20:31 Greggle wrote:On January 27 2012 20:31 Bayyne wrote:
I'd leave Oz till the end, MMA's TvZ > his TvP. That's why you use Oz now, rather than waste Leenock. You were saying? Doesn't mean it was a good choice. MMA's TvZ is much better than his TvP, in fact he's probably the best TvZ in the world right now. Oz has also beaten MMA in code S before whereas MMA has a pretty impressive 4-2 record against Leenock. On January 27 2012 20:32 Shellshock1122 wrote:On January 27 2012 20:31 Greggle wrote:On January 27 2012 20:31 Bayyne wrote:
I'd leave Oz till the end, MMA's TvZ > his TvP. That's why you use Oz now, rather than waste Leenock. who's going to snipe oz at the end though? That's the point, there isn't an obvious sniper for Oz. That's why he would have been a good choice. This is why I think it's good to send leenock first: I'd rather have Oz playing against MMA in a do or die situation than Leenock.
But Oz has a much better chance, so rather than risk losing Leenock to the best TvZer you take the safer approach with Oz.
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Does Khaldor think this is Metalopolis? Or does he mean close by Air
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On January 27 2012 20:40 Ryncol wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2012 20:38 Shellshock1122 wrote:On January 27 2012 20:37 elwoodng wrote:On January 27 2012 20:34 Ryncol wrote:On January 27 2012 20:34 ItsMeDomLee wrote:On January 27 2012 20:32 Bayyne wrote:On January 27 2012 20:31 Greggle wrote:On January 27 2012 20:31 Bayyne wrote:
I'd leave Oz till the end, MMA's TvZ > his TvP. That's why you use Oz now, rather than waste Leenock. You were saying? Terrible decision by Choya. If anybody is going to kill Leenock it'll be MMA. Agreed. Maybe Leenock has a specialized build for MMA or Oz has been crushing everybody in practice. Not saying that is the case for sure or that I agree with Choya but it's a possibility. Oz also plays MMA next in code S. They might be hoping to keep oz from having to play mma now to keep his strats secret You think it's worth it? It seems kind of risky to risk falling out of the GSTL when Oz could still advance even if he somehow doesn't beat MMA in the ro16. And I think that he'd probably be able to do it anyway.
I think it depends on how much value they put on individual league vs team league. maybe they saw something in mma vs lucky that made them think mma's vz is a little out of practice. leenock also isnt in code s anymore so maybe he was focusing his practice specifically towards sniping mma
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On January 27 2012 20:40 Seraphone wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2012 20:39 Vindicare605 wrote:On January 27 2012 20:38 Seraphone wrote:
I agree with everyone else. Should have used Oz first. What I think is likely is that Leenock volunteered because he wanted a chance at MMA. Leenock knows how good his TvZ is and he wants to prove himself against the only one of the top Terran TvZ's he hasn't beaten yet. He'll get his chance for a rematch against Jjajki this season too. He beat MMA at MLG Providence iirc.
Yea but that wasn't on Korean Television.
You feel me?
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On January 27 2012 20:39 DrPandaPhD wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2012 20:38 Bagi wrote:
Isn't this ultra bashing getting a little ridiculous? Its not like people went "holy shit marine/tank sucks balls" when Clide got owned by Lucky. Whenever someone builds ultras and doesn't win, people go apeshit.
He attacked into a bad position, that's all there is to it. Except for the fact that marine/tank actually works. Ultras is the same reason no protoss ever uses carriers. They're useless
Then why do these pros keep making ultras instead of broodlords for example? Have you realized something they have not?
Actually, let me answer that: its because ultras are fucking scary and rip through any terran army when you get a good engagement.
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On January 27 2012 20:36 ItsMeDomLee wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2012 20:34 lbmaian wrote:
MMA played well, but I think that was mostly a build order win and scouting fail. MMA didn't split his forces correctly in the mid-game leading to all those lost tanks, and then MMA "came back" with his trademark multitasking. Come to think of it, that's really why MMA is the comeback king. Pretty much. It's actually not a good idea to model your TvZ off MMA's if you don't have ridiculous multitasking skills to manage your economy, drops, and pushes all at the same time. MVP's TvZ is much more solid and based on good positioning until he can macro up a deathball and transition into ghosts.
This was pretty simple play. I think it's a very good idea to mimic this build and playstyle on this map because it's very strong. Don't know when you saw MMA multitask like crazy!?
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I'm pretty sure MMA hides his barracks to avoid drone harass, not just to "throw them off," although every little bit helps.
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On January 27 2012 20:41 ThaSlayer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2012 20:39 DrPandaPhD wrote:On January 27 2012 20:38 Bagi wrote:
Isn't this ultra bashing getting a little ridiculous? Its not like people went "holy shit marine/tank sucks balls" when Clide got owned by Lucky. Whenever someone builds ultras and doesn't win, people go apeshit.
He attacked into a bad position, that's all there is to it. Except for the fact that marine/tank actually works. Ultras is the same reason no protoss ever uses carriers. They're useless Sweeping statement. Stephano/DRG would like to have a word with you.
Ultralisks are also the reason DRG got knocked out of the ro8 by Supernova.
You have to be obscenely far ahead or the opponent needs to overcommit to vikings after going BL.
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