We are bringing out a brand new series for the brand new year, and this time we are specializing in matches that everyone wants to see! The clash of these two titans is sure to be one for the history books, read more for the details on when to watch! The Iron Lady Showmatch Series will be occasional showmatches setup by us to give the community a great best of 7 series between the top programing girls in the Starcraft 2 scene. The prizes will vary from showmatch to showmatch, but we are definitely starting things off with a healthy chunk of change! With that said, lets get to the show match!
Pre-Match Summary: Both Ga-Young " ST.Aphrodite Kim" and Flo " Quanticflo" Yao are no strangers to each other in the tournament scene. These two top level terran players first met at the ZOWIE DIVINA Tournament where on the final day of playing they met in the Grand Finals. Aphrodite ended it in a dominating 2:0 fashion over Flo. The first game Aphrodite brought out a hellion-tank timing attack with a floating barracs to get vision on the map Metalopolis. In the 2nd game Flo fought as hard as she could with a bio heavy push, but the mech build of Aphrodite proved to be too much. They could have met in the Champion Cup 6, but Flo was unable to make the tournament. Coming into this match Flo will most likley be more hungry than Aphrodite for the win as she will be looking for revenge. This best of 7 series could go either way; expect Flo to bring some new strategies to the table, but expect Aphrodite to be the more confident player. Check out the indepth spotlight interview with Aphrodite Here
Metalopolis GSL Day Break Shattered Temple Shakuras Plateau Xel Naga Caverns Tal'darim Altar LE GSL Calm Before the Storm Antiga Shipyard GSL Dual Sight
I want flo to win, but Aphrodite is a very good player. I'm not a big fan of her playstyle when I watch her stream, but she is a good player nonetheless. She also has rainbow to practice her TvT and other StarTale players. Good luck to both.
I guess I could set up a donation link for those who want to give. I was just very weary about that only because was so quick to bash female only events, so we were doing the best we can on the budget we have without a sponsor. What is the best way to set up a donation?
Thanks to TotalBiscuit the prize pool is now doubled to $150. Please everyone extend your biggest thanks to him and support him in any way you can. This was a huge move for him and completely caught me off guard that he would donate $75. Definitely very greatful
On January 17 2012 06:23 pHaRSiDE wrote: Thanks to TotalBiscuit the prize pool is now doubled to $150. Please everyone extend your biggest thanks to him and support him in any way you can. This was a huge move for him and completely caught me off guard that he would donate $75. Definitely very greatful
wow, that is so awesome!
This should be interesting showmatch. I think Aphrodite is going to take this one.
On January 17 2012 06:23 pHaRSiDE wrote: Thanks to TotalBiscuit the prize pool is now doubled to $150. Please everyone extend your biggest thanks to him and support him in any way you can. This was a huge move for him and completely caught me off guard that he would donate $75. Definitely very greatful
After seeing QuanticFlo at MLG and then again at ZOWIE, I can't say enough about how good she is getting. Recently masters, good showings at tournaments, diligent practicing: looks good to me!
I've also seen Aphrodite deveolp under ST_Rainbow's guidance and lots of hard work and practice, she seems ready to defend her record against Flo.
I can't wait to check this out!
[EDIT] I noticed that the "Coverage By" section is still TBA. Does this mean that you're still looking for people to cover/cast/stream this event? I am a caster for the Collegiate Starleage (CSL) and I'd be happy to help in any way I can.
I am excited about this despite being disappointed that there are no references to this being in either honor or dishonor to The Iron Lady of recent history Margaret Thatcher.
On January 17 2012 22:06 DamageControL wrote: What level is Aphrodite OOC? Like Top Masters/GM?
edit: Could she, for example, defeat a lower tier foreign pro like Destiny?
She's top masters. She has already beat Destiny on the KR ladder even though Destiny was trying to convince everyone that it was Rainbow playing and not her
On January 17 2012 22:06 DamageControL wrote: What level is Aphrodite OOC? Like Top Masters/GM?
edit: Could she, for example, defeat a lower tier foreign pro like Destiny?
Wait beating Destiny makes you good now? Wow then I must be good too... not.
In all honesty, Aphrodite wins this pretty easily, I've watched both streams and she is definitely a much better player from what I've seen. GL ladies.
Destiny is like a guard dog player. Or that hairy guy in the UFC everyone usually has to fight to prove they are good and wont get destroyed if they enter the house. Anyways, GL flo beat that korean ass down.
On January 17 2012 22:06 DamageControL wrote: What level is Aphrodite OOC? Like Top Masters/GM?
edit: Could she, for example, defeat a lower tier foreign pro like Destiny?
Wait beating Destiny makes you good now? Wow then I must be good too... not.
In all honesty, Aphrodite wins this pretty easily, I've watched both streams and she is definitely a much better player from what I've seen. GL ladies.
In all honestly I doubt you've ever come close to beating Destiny.
It would've been awesome to see a showdown (turnament) between all the female players currently on pro teams. Aphrodite would probably take it, but I would've been cool to see nonetheless=)
On January 17 2012 22:06 DamageControL wrote: What level is Aphrodite OOC? Like Top Masters/GM?
edit: Could she, for example, defeat a lower tier foreign pro like Destiny?
Wait beating Destiny makes you good now? Wow then I must be good too... not.
In all honesty, Aphrodite wins this pretty easily, I've watched both streams and she is definitely a much better player from what I've seen. GL ladies.
In all honestly I doubt you've ever come close to beating Destiny.
destiny isnt a true professional, kinda like day9 and artosis. they are all more casters than actual players
On January 17 2012 22:06 DamageControL wrote: What level is Aphrodite OOC? Like Top Masters/GM?
edit: Could she, for example, defeat a lower tier foreign pro like Destiny?
Wait beating Destiny makes you good now? Wow then I must be good too... not.
In all honesty, Aphrodite wins this pretty easily, I've watched both streams and she is definitely a much better player from what I've seen. GL ladies.
In all honestly I doubt you've ever come close to beating Destiny.
destiny isnt a true professional, kinda like day9 and artosis. they are all more casters than actual players
I thought he was trying to become a real competitive player. But I've been watching her stream and she is #1 masters. That's pretty good. I don't know what server it is, though.
edit: I think NA, so less impressive but she seems top 20 KR server masters.
The Iron Lady is the nickname for the most hated/divisive prime minister of the UK in recent times, Margaret Thatcher. Hopefully you'll show good games and reclaim the name for the forces of good! Have to admit she could of probably been a half decent SC player, like a female IdrA or something....
Prize pool increased to $175 thanks to another generous $25 donation from another female player by the name Akasha! I am caught off guard by how much support this is getting from the community, so huge thanks to everyone, not just donations, but for also being excited to see the show match and tune in! Really makes running events worth while!
On January 17 2012 05:32 pHaRSiDE wrote: I guess I could set up a donation link for those who want to give. I was just very weary about that only because was so quick to bash female only events, so we were doing the best we can on the budget we have without a sponsor. What is the best way to set up a donation?
just want to confirm that donations would go to the right place:
- the chipin redirects to a paypal site with the email address clan_bala - paypal also shows cooper_inc1
just need to make sure everything is kosher due to personal paranoia.
On January 17 2012 05:32 pHaRSiDE wrote: I guess I could set up a donation link for those who want to give. I was just very weary about that only because was so quick to bash female only events, so we were doing the best we can on the budget we have without a sponsor. What is the best way to set up a donation?
just want to confirm that donations would go to the right place:
- the chipin redirects to a paypal site with the email address clan_bala - paypal also shows cooper_inc1
just need to make sure everything is kosher due to personal paranoia.
Yea I have two emails attached to the paypal. clan_bala@yahoo.com is my original extremely old email. cooper_inc1@yahoo.com is my current email attached to my teamliquid.
On January 17 2012 05:32 pHaRSiDE wrote: I guess I could set up a donation link for those who want to give. I was just very weary about that only because was so quick to bash female only events, so we were doing the best we can on the budget we have without a sponsor. What is the best way to set up a donation?
just want to confirm that donations would go to the right place:
- the chipin redirects to a paypal site with the email address clan_bala - paypal also shows cooper_inc1
just need to make sure everything is kosher due to personal paranoia.
Yea I have two emails attached to the paypal. clan_bala@yahoo.com is my original extremely old email. cooper_inc1@yahoo.com is my current email attached to my teamliquid.
Prize Pool now increased to $280 thanks to a few more anonymous donations as well as a big donation from D_K_night! Show him much love and thanks! Words can't describe how thankful I am for the community support guys!
Don't worry, gonna work out some sponsors soon, you all won't have to keep doing this lol.
On January 21 2012 06:45 Slectra wrote: I think Aphrodite will win. Does anyone know if ColaGirl streams or something?
AFAIK, at least Colagirl is still active in SC2 laddering, most recently entered top 100 GM on CN server (about the mid or low master on KR server). I'm also looking forward to see some her in some future Iron Lady event.
wow flo won the Bunny Cup!?!? talk about a juggernaut. Can we have the winner go up against a mid level diamond player so they can get a shot at 300$ also? Or is that only acceptable when 2 girls play
On January 21 2012 07:04 skatblast wrote: wow flo won the Bunny Cup!?!? talk about a juggernaut. Can we have the winner go up against a mid level diamond player so they can get a shot at 300$ also? Or is that only acceptable when 2 girls play
Someone is a little angry at the world..
I have updated the main thread with the contributors to the prize pool (the ones that wanted to be named atleast)
On January 21 2012 07:04 skatblast wrote: wow flo won the Bunny Cup!?!? talk about a juggernaut. Can we have the winner go up against a mid level diamond player so they can get a shot at 300$ also? Or is that only acceptable when 2 girls play
On January 21 2012 07:04 skatblast wrote: wow flo won the Bunny Cup!?!? talk about a juggernaut. Can we have the winner go up against a mid level diamond player so they can get a shot at 300$ also? Or is that only acceptable when 2 girls play
lol someone's angry that they are just a poor mid-level diamond player and don't have an opportunity to get $300. Funny thing though is that these girls are low GM level. (NA server)
On January 21 2012 06:35 Shinta) wrote: Awesome re-match coming ;D Keep this stuff coming!
Hope we can see some luway vs ColaGirl Taiwan vs China action next! So many great matches to be had^^
I wish I could see SlayerS_Eve vs oGsJongMi
Yes! Although I think they are probably at a lower level, that would be a good match to check out their improvement. Just a guess, I think JongMi will take it 3-1 in a bo5 pretty handily.
I'm so excited for this match, I'm pretty sure Aphrodite will win, although I should be too sure since in general everyone I want to win usually loses.
Flo's third up before aphrodite Aphrodite is stockpiling tanks
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Flo produces marauders and Medivacs
-- Flo gets some free hellions at a watch tower - pushes into aphrodite's third - almost takes out the CC, but it's saved with mass repair - Flo retreats.
-- Flo transitioning into Air Terran, building banshees and viking.
-- Current Compositions:
Flo: MMM with banshee and vikings Aphrodite: tank-viking, 2 thors
-- Slight engagement, No big losses. Flo retreats.
Flo takes out Aphrodite's new fourth base.
-- Flo loses a few units in the map, miscontrol. Flo snipes a thor Flo clumps up banshees. They take a few volleys. Aphrodite pushes
-- Flo GGs.
Summary: Flo's harass kept Aphrodite on edge, transitioned into sky terran with a mix of bio. However, Aphrodite kept air superiority. A miscontrol of bio in the middle of the map Flo dwindled her army just before the big engagement. Keeping banshees clumped in the final battle made it easy for Aphrodite to keep her tank numbers, destroy Flo's Army and seal out the game.
Moletrap is mediocre. Navi is bad. I have an extremely high tolerance for the wide range of casters we have out there as well. It's not the lack of energy, nor is it the utter lack of game knowledge. It's not even the awkward absence of chemistry between the two. It's that all three are present at once that makes it so weird.
Anyway, here's to hoping for some great games regardless!
Aphrodite's first banshee is out. Flo's second CC is parked in base.
Aphrodite goes into harass with banshee, meets flo's marines. Banshee gets away with only a few hit point.
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Aphrodite puts down CC at natural Flo's CC is now floating to her natural.
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Aphrodite has researched siege, Flo taking out gold rocks
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Aphrodite's hellions moving out Flo's force is out on the map.
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Flo takes out depot on edge of Aphrodite's base, Aphrodite's hellions shut down,
-- Aphrodite's third CC is done Flo's third floating to the gold.
-- Flo lands factory at Aphrodite's third. Flo sneaks around sensor tower with a medivac. Waiting for battle at front to drop main.
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Sensor towers covering the area around aphrodite's base. Aphrodite takes the gold instead of the base that has the factory on it.
-- Flo's medivac still waiting
-- Flo's bio is +2 weapons +1 armor Aphrodite's tanks have +2 weapons.
-- Flo has a forth up long before aphrodite
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Flo out and about on the map. Takes 5th and 6th.
-- Aphrodite pushes out. takes out medivacs with vikings. Is at Flo's base
-- Flo's vikngs come out
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Aphrodite's vikings all die takes out takes. Flo drops main of aphrodite.
Aphrodite attacks expo of flow at 12:00's natural. Flo cleans it up with marauders.
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Flo flies vikings over thors. Aphrodite building 2 defensive planetaries. Split map situation
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Flo is making battlecruisers. Going mass Vikings and mass BCs.
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Flo drops 4:00 takes out a lot of scvs and one thor.
All the bases are taken on the map. Even expansions - split map.
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Supply lead to aphrodite. 193. Flo 165.
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Aphrodite pushes
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Flo has air superiority, Too many thors from aphrodite.
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Flo GGs.
Game summary. Flo's harassment, once again kept Aphrodite on edge, allowing her to out expand Aphrodite early on. However, the tech switch to Battlecruisers proved to be to costly for Flo, allowing Aphrodite to max out much quicker. Upon maxing out, Aphrodite pushed out with mass thor and tank.
Flo plants proxy barracks near the gold. Out of proper scouting routes of the map. Tech lab on the barracks. Flo makes maruaders, researches concussive shells.
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First marauder in aphrodites base, SCV of Flo builds bunker in Flos Aphrodite pulls SCVs to help out marine. Hellion out.
Hellion kills SCV of bunker.
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Flo's rush has failed. Aphrodite pushes with three 3 hellions and 3 marines.
Flo has teched to starport. Builds hellion and viking.
Flo has closed off her main.
Aphrodite goes up ramp.
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Aphrodite takes out one of flo's bunkers, flo's Viking hits aphrodite's banshee.
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Aphrodite goes through the opening. A tank pops out for Flo, but it isn't enough.
Flo GGs.
Game Summary: Flo's rush failed due to her marauder attacking before concussive shell finished, making it take too much damage before her 2nd marauder got there. Aphrodite gets her tech tree up before Flo and from there, takes the battle back to Flo's base.
Not even close, DaSakura's performance vs. Aphrodite a week ago is much much better. Flo need to practice a lot more if she really decide to be a progamer.
On January 29 2012 13:22 awu25 wrote: Why is Cheekyduck's stream listed under this event? Sat on her stream for like 30 min waiting for a match to start
She fraudulently did that, took forever for admins to respond -_-....
On January 29 2012 13:24 devPLEASE wrote: I am not trying to flame Moletrap, maybe it's the sound quality, but I honestly can not tell the difference between Navi's and Moletrap's voice.
they also seem oddly unenthusiastic. even comparing moletrap khaldor casting vs this seems to be a couple of levels in interest/intensity.
On January 29 2012 13:22 awu25 wrote: Why is Cheekyduck's stream listed under this event? Sat on her stream for like 30 min waiting for a match to start
She fraudulently did that, took forever for admins to respond -_-....
Were there any repercussions? That's really scummy.
Seems like Flo is just running through the motions of what to do against Mech, but she can't really do it all at once. She should have huge leads, but her macro just keeps her even or behind. What's the point of expanding everywhere if you can't can't take advantage of having all those bases?
On January 29 2012 13:33 Sub40APM wrote: "aphrodite is kind of turtling" ya...its called playing mech...come on moletrap, you have to call out stuff like that with your code A watching ways.
On January 29 2012 13:33 Sub40APM wrote: "aphrodite is kind of turtling" ya...its called playing mech...come on moletrap, you have to call out stuff like that with your code A watching ways.
Nobody in Code A goes mech though.
I meant that in terms of moletrap watches a lot of high end starcraft and maybe navi doesnt so its up to him to explain why 'turtling' is the only way to play mech vs bio.
Seriously, I wish we could have seen her at more minor tournaments to see how well she fares against other progamers. It would have been cool to see her at + Show Spoiler +
On January 29 2012 13:36 SniperVul5 wrote: This series just emphasized that flo isn't really at a decent progamer level to compete among the best of them.
Still questioning Quantic's decision to take her up.
Give her time, but she definitely might want to reevaluate her practicing methods. Aphrodite should get some credit, she definitely has good macro and micro, plus her decision making is great, especially for someone that hasn't ever played an RTS until a couple of months ago. She's definitely got potential to get far and she's still pretty young.
On January 29 2012 13:36 SniperVul5 wrote: This series just emphasized that flo isn't really at a decent progamer level to compete among the best of them.
Still questioning Quantic's decision to take her up.
It wasn't bad at all, honestly. She had a small lead at some portions of the games she played, and she should have probably won that proxy-marauder game but it looks like she forgot concussive? Or just didn't micro well enough that game either.
I think the problem is she just did not know how to handle Mech-play to well later on in the game.
Besides that... Aphrodite is good. Her mech play is not bad at all, as one can expect when you have Rainbow/ST to learn from :o.
On January 29 2012 13:36 SniperVul5 wrote: This series just emphasized that flo isn't really at a decent progamer level to compete among the best of them.
Still questioning Quantic's decision to take her up.
Give her time, but she definitely might want to reevaluate her practicing methods. Aphrodite should get some credit, she definitely has good macro and micro, plus her decision making is great, especially for someone that hasn't ever played an RTS until a couple of months ago. She's definitely got potential to get far and she's still pretty young.
I agree with you that perhaps she can become better in time... and that Aphrodite did play well given the circumstances but there is still lots of questionable decision making in flos play against mech. Usually against mech its important to get a strong concave and to catch the tanks unsieged by any means necessary. This usually includes flanking or just pulling back in and out to delay the push. The game on Shattered temple showed that she mostly just attacks... dies, backs off and as a result cant stop the mech train from getting to her base. I thought she definitely needed improved maneuverability in that regard. Another thing is to split up some of the units instead of having the one bio ball so that she can get a surround more efficiently...even to catch some of the back tanks as it is sieging up. These are things bio have to do against mech to be even remotely successful and we just did not see that at all.
The game with the three dropship drops were also questionnable. Moletrap was saying how they did a lot of damage (derp moletrap and your finite wisdom) but in all honesty that did not do a lot given the loss of three dropships worth of units along with the dropships themselves. The second attempt also showed she has lapses in concentration... forgetting where the dropships were and not moving them until they get sniped. Even so... was there even an advantage to using three dropships at one area? Why not two in the main and one at the natural... or even so one on each base (though for the third the drop has to edge away from the defensive tanks). Once again it just emphasizes she has a long long way to go before she can even have a chance in competing at a high level.
I wanted to say that I remember Rainbow smurfing on his stream a few months ago against NA diamonds. Then he would occasionally let his girlfriend play and we'd watch and she'd just have these evenly matched games against these NA diamonds. Hell, now she's definitely a top Korean masters, she has gotten so damn goooood.
It really is amazing how much Rainbow's girlfriend has improved into Aphrodite. I mean... she used to be known as that really hot chick John would mention, but now she's also this hot chick and also can kick your ass in sc2 pretty handily unless you're a pro almost.
On January 29 2012 13:36 SniperVul5 wrote: This series just emphasized that flo isn't really at a decent progamer level to compete among the best of them.
Still questioning Quantic's decision to take her up.
Give her time, but she definitely might want to reevaluate her practicing methods. Aphrodite should get some credit, she definitely has good macro and micro, plus her decision making is great, especially for someone that hasn't ever played an RTS until a couple of months ago. She's definitely got potential to get far and she's still pretty young.
I agree with you that perhaps she can become better in time... and that Aphrodite did play well given the circumstances but there is still lots of questionable decision making in flos play against mech. Usually against mech its important to get a strong concave and to catch the tanks unsieged by any means necessary. This usually includes flanking or just pulling back in and out to delay the push. The game on Shattered temple showed that she mostly just attacks... dies, backs off and as a result cant stop the mech train from getting to her base. I thought she definitely needed improved maneuverability in that regard. Another thing is to split up some of the units instead of having the one bio ball so that she can get a surround more efficiently...even to catch some of the back tanks as it is sieging up. These are things bio have to do against mech to be even remotely successful and we just did not see that at all.
The game with the three dropship drops were also questionnable. Moletrap was saying how they did a lot of damage (derp moletrap and your finite wisdom) but in all honesty that did not do a lot given the loss of three dropships worth of units along with the dropships themselves. The second attempt also showed she has lapses in concentration... forgetting where the dropships were and not moving them until they get sniped. Even so... was there even an advantage to using three dropships at one area? Why not two in the main and one at the natural... or even so one on each base (though for the third the drop has to edge away from the defensive tanks). Once again it just emphasizes she has a long long way to go before she can even have a chance in competing at a high level.
Yeah, I understand what you`re saying and it definitely does seem like she has a lot of work to do. It wasn't just her decision making, but her macro really was way behind, even when she should have had leads she'd be even in supply or lower. The drop-ships were just an awful idea and she should have moved them once Aphrodite caught sight of them with that medivac. I think she was just trying to do too much at once.
The other problem I have is that Aphrodite and her had a series a few months ago and I think it was far closer. It just seems like Aphrodite continues to improve leaps and bounds, while Flo is falling behind. At this rate Aphrodite could definitely compete with the lower tier pro level male gamers and in time get far in tournament play, while Flo is just way behind.
The other problem I have is that Aphrodite and her had a series a few months ago and I think it was far closer. It just seems like Aphrodite continues to improve leaps and bounds, while Flo is falling behind. At this rate Aphrodite could definitely compete with the lower tier pro level male gamers and in time get far in tournament play, while Flo is just way behind.
isnt that a function of playing on the Korean server?
Why did moletrap keep mentioning Aphrodite as "Aphoridiety"... It was so annoying to listen as a viewer. Aphrodite is def. leaps and bounds better than flo, I think Aphrodite is mid GM level in NA lol.
Much thanks to the organizeres of this event, it was fun!
On January 29 2012 14:16 WardenSC wrote: Why did moletrap keep mentioning Aphrodite as "Aphoridiety"... It was so annoying to listen as a viewer. Aphrodite is def. leaps and bounds better than flo, I think Aphrodite is mid GM level in NA lol.
Much thanks to the organizeres of this event, it was fun!
Well that was one-sided, guess the story isn't any different in girly sc2 either. Koreans own white girls. (Flo not being technically white, i know i know, but still a foreigner. Was trying to make a silly reference to the whole "Koreans own white dudes" -thing that Moon once said :p )
I wonder why would you link Eve's fanclub thingy? Aphrodite is like a lot better than Eve is. The Zerg girl in oGs is a lot better than Eve as well. :p
I wonder why would you link Eve's fanclub thingy? Aphrodite is like a lot better than Eve is. The Zerg girl in oGs is a lot better than Eve as well. :p
Lol, crap. I quoted the wrong post. Meant to quote the one about the fanclub for the first female Bonjwa. >_>
I wonder why would you link Eve's fanclub thingy? Aphrodite is like a lot better than Eve is. The Zerg girl in oGs is a lot better than Eve as well. :p
We're not sure if Eve is even a player at all, yet people are talking about her all the time and comparing her to others that actually play (and win). -_-
Anyhow, too bad for flo. Seems like we have the first female kongliner.
relax, there was issues with the stream listing for "lan of thrones" for agl event in sydney that was listed at wrong time due to delays, could also not get hold of any mods.
edit: im starting to dislike this so-called female community, some of you girls really have your tampon strings lit.
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ST.Aphrodite <Tal Darim Altar LE> ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/kWLr9.png)
Aphrodite fighting!
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