• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 18:57
CET 00:57
KST 08:57
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !9Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2BGE Stara Zagora 2026 announced15
StarCraft 2
General
Micro Lags When Playing SC2? ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career ! When will we find out if there are more tournament Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview
Tourneys
$100 Prize Pool - Winter Warp Gate Masters Showdow $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Winter Warp Gate Amateur Showdown #1 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Offline Finals Info - Dec 13 and 14!
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement Mutation # 501 Price of Progress
Brood War
General
Klaucher discontinued / in-game color settings Anyone remember me from 2000s Bnet EAST server? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ How Rain Became ProGamer in Just 3 Months FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle
Tourneys
[BSL21] LB QuarterFinals - Sunday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] WB SEMIFINALS - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Mechabellum PC Games Sales Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Games Industry And ATVI YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
The (Hidden) Drug Problem in…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1220 users

macros in tournament play

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
BinaryAznMon
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada4 Posts
January 12 2012 17:07 GMT
#1
im just wondering if macro keys are allowed in tournament play, i have the sidewinder x4 keyboard and i have the first macro key to be shift+0 so i can add my bases to that hotkey without taking up space in the 1,2,3,4,5,6 region which is about the farthest i can reach, my second macro is the key 0 so i can easily access the end of the control group line without moving my hand away from the left side of the keyboard
ElvisWayCool
Profile Joined March 2010
United States437 Posts
January 12 2012 17:11 GMT
#2
I'm pretty sure any tournament would frown on macro keys. I can't speak for all of them, but I know if I ran a tourney it wouldn't allow them. There's just no way they can really find out...
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6260 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-12 17:16:29
January 12 2012 17:14 GMT
#3
Tournaments will 100% not allow macro keys where 2 commands are executed with 1 button press.

That being said, I'm not 100% sure but shift+0 may be a single command (check the SC2 hotkey remapping). Basically, "1 command to 1 key" is ok, but not "2 commands to 1 key". Thus, if you bound a "fake" key (e.g. f12) to that shift+0 hotkey and bound the macro key to f12, then it's fine.
Zio
Profile Joined October 2010
United States48 Posts
January 12 2012 17:20 GMT
#4
I don't even think macro keys are allowed on ladder (not that blizzard can really enforce it).
It's about to get heavy!
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
January 12 2012 17:26 GMT
#5
On January 13 2012 02:20 Zio wrote:
I don't even think macro keys are allowed on ladder (not that blizzard can really enforce it).


the "official" starcraft 2 keyboard, razer marauder, has macro keys though doesnt it
beep boop
striderxxx
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada443 Posts
January 12 2012 17:27 GMT
#6
On January 13 2012 02:20 Zio wrote:
I don't even think macro keys are allowed on ladder (not that blizzard can really enforce it).


Blizzard actually sells their own macro keyboard designed for SC2
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
January 12 2012 17:29 GMT
#7
On January 13 2012 02:27 striderxxx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2012 02:20 Zio wrote:
I don't even think macro keys are allowed on ladder (not that blizzard can really enforce it).


Blizzard actually sells their own macro keyboard designed for SC2

Yeah, it's definately ok to use in regular situations. In online tournaments, I think it would be hard to make sure nobody uses it, so I guess it's allowed there as well. I'm quite sure it's not allowed in big LANs though, which, given that those are the biggest tournaments, the top level players will primarily practice for those, and therefore they probably use non-macro keyboards in all situations to make sure that that's what they get their practice with.
MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-12 17:42:29
January 12 2012 17:40 GMT
#8
Macros are NOT allowed. However, re-bound keys are. You're on questionable territory (my guess is tourney illegal) creating a button for shift+0 (two key presses become one), but making any button on your keyboard "0" is fine (one key press becomes one button press). I've heard a few pros mention they've experimented with rebinding various keys on their keyboards so that hotkeys & F1 shortcuts are in convenient positions.

As an aside, I'm curious if one of MY shortcuts is legal. I made one of my mouse buttons a duplicate 'H' key (my shortcut for warpgates). Again, one key, one button press. But it's perhaps different from rebinding a keyboard key.

Also, Blizzard doesn't sell their own macro keyboard. Razer bought the SC2 license to plaster on some of their products. The existence of such products has nothing to do with what is considered kosher while playing SC2.
"The victor? Not the highest scoring, nor the best strategist, nor the best tactitian. The victor was he that was closest to the Tao of FFA." -.Praetor
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20322 Posts
January 12 2012 17:51 GMT
#9
You can rebind keys using the sc2 interface, you cant have more than 1 action (or keys being sent) per keystroke, and im pretty sure using external programs to rebind in a way not allowed inside of the starcraft 2 interface (and battle.net profiles tied to your account across computers) would be frowned upon
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6260 Posts
January 13 2012 03:45 GMT
#10
On January 13 2012 02:40 MisterFred wrote:
Macros are NOT allowed. However, re-bound keys are. You're on questionable territory (my guess is tourney illegal) creating a button for shift+0 (two key presses become one), but making any button on your keyboard "0" is fine (one key press becomes one button press). I've heard a few pros mention they've experimented with rebinding various keys on their keyboards so that hotkeys & F1 shortcuts are in convenient positions.

As an aside, I'm curious if one of MY shortcuts is legal. I made one of my mouse buttons a duplicate 'H' key (my shortcut for warpgates). Again, one key, one button press. But it's perhaps different from rebinding a keyboard key.

Also, Blizzard doesn't sell their own macro keyboard. Razer bought the SC2 license to plaster on some of their products. The existence of such products has nothing to do with what is considered kosher while playing SC2.

What you did (binding a mouse button to 'H') is perfectly legal and I'm 100% sure allowed in any tournament, including the GSL.

Why the OP may be a little confusing is because I'm think shift+0 is considered 1 button press in the hotkeys interface and hence it's legal to assign that to the macro key.
pepperman
Profile Joined June 2011
United States180 Posts
January 13 2012 03:55 GMT
#11
I would assume something like a Razer Naga also wouldn't be allowed, right?
Mun Seong-Won!
BinaryAznMon
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada4 Posts
January 15 2012 06:45 GMT
#12
I guess the better question is, is it strictly a button can only equal 1 key press or 1 command, because shift + 0 is technically 2 key presses but it is only 1 command...

ive never seen a player use a macro keyboard like i do where there are buttons set aside for macros, but i also dont kno how they refitted their keyboards to their liking....
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15725 Posts
January 15 2012 06:45 GMT
#13
1 button = 1 action. Anything else is widely considered cheating.
ballasdontcry
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada595 Posts
January 15 2012 06:48 GMT
#14
On January 13 2012 12:55 pepperman wrote:
I would assume something like a Razer Naga also wouldn't be allowed, right?

it's fine, but again like everyone has said, it should be one button = one key. you can map any button on that naga to the "1" key but you can't do something like shift + space + 1.
Jarvs
Profile Joined December 2009
Australia639 Posts
January 15 2012 06:50 GMT
#15
It's all pretty legal. Frowned upon but legal.
Genetic
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada84 Posts
January 16 2012 16:02 GMT
#16
Lol this topic has awesome timing for me.

My gf just bought a new keyboard, Razer Black Widow, and the first thing she did was bind 4 + E to Macro 1. She puts nexus on 4, so now it's one click to que probes. Such cheaterage. She's bronze so I dont think anyone would care, but man, if a masters could utilize that kind of shortcut it would save so many extra clicks.

IMO it should be illegal, but oh well. Enjoy your macros man, I'm sure you can come up with some pretty sick ones.

Ex. Stim A-Click? As a Terran I thought it'd be cool anyways
cydial
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States750 Posts
January 16 2012 16:41 GMT
#17
Does anyone know if the razer naga is illegal?

http://www.amazon.com/Razer-Laser-Gaming-Mouse-RZ01-00280100-R3/dp/B002MPPRPO

I mean it may sound a bit ridiculous but in theory one can have 12 extra control groups.
Maxd11
Profile Joined July 2011
United States680 Posts
January 16 2012 16:57 GMT
#18
On January 17 2012 01:41 cydial wrote:
Does anyone know if the razer naga is illegal?

http://www.amazon.com/Razer-Laser-Gaming-Mouse-RZ01-00280100-R3/dp/B002MPPRPO

I mean it may sound a bit ridiculous but in theory one can have 12 extra control groups.

Yeah the naga is legal but no you can't have 12 extra control groups. SC2 simply won't allow more then the regular 10 groups. There is no way to add additional ones no matter how many buttons you have. Also for some reason I was unable to bind a (shit+#) to any of the keys on my razer mouse while I was still able to bind regular numbers and letters and combinations thereof (none of which I found useful).
I looked in the mirror and saw biupilm69t
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Ladder Legends
19:00
WWG Amateur Showdown
davetesta75
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech221
PiGStarcraft206
SpeCial 155
StarCraft: Brood War
EffOrt 193
Dewaltoss 111
Shuttle 58
Mong 22
NaDa 15
GoRush 12
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm96
febbydoto54
LuMiX1
League of Legends
Trikslyr44
Counter-Strike
summit1g4749
Heroes of the Storm
Grubby4799
Khaldor279
Other Games
FrodaN1168
Mew2King222
JimRising 80
ViBE54
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1535
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• musti20045 38
• RyuSc2 29
• IndyKCrew
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• mYiSmile12
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota22269
League of Legends
• Doublelift4555
Other Games
• imaqtpie2490
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
10h 3m
Ladder Legends
17h 3m
BSL 21
20h 3m
StRyKeR vs TBD
Bonyth vs TBD
Replay Cast
1d 9h
Wardi Open
1d 12h
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 17h
WardiTV Invitational
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
ByuN vs Solar
Clem vs Classic
Cure vs herO
Reynor vs MaxPax
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #4 - TS3
RSL Offline Finals
Kuram Kup

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
CSL Season 19: Qualifier 1
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22

Upcoming

CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Disclosure: This page contains affiliate marketing links that support TLnet.

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.