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Chriscras
Korea (South)2812 Posts
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Scrandom
Canada2819 Posts
I actually genuinely like how they don't do the whole "In the top of the map, the member of eg and hoping to win this game, he is JYP" MC just did 1 oclock jyp 7 oclock bling, I like that way better | ||
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Korelle
143 Posts
Homestory Cup is unique specifically BECAUSE it promotes such a laid back environment that makes the pros come across as actual human beings, if anything it promotes esports like no other tournament because it allows the viewers to become more emotionally invested in the personalities of the players instead of just the casters. In the end it's those personalities and the conflicts that arise from them that will drive the popularity of esports more than anything else. Of course banter between drunken friends may seem a little alien to a community with a large percentage of socially awkward nerds, so maybe this whole point is lost on them, but please at least consider that the outside world sees nothing wrong with a few drunk people sitting on a couch having a laugh, our society promotes that culture even. Really some of you people cry "X IS HURTING E-SPORTS" on an almost daily basis, E-Sports is starting to sound more and more like a hypochondriac every day. | ||
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NightOfTheDead
Lithuania1711 Posts
On January 08 2012 07:33 Stanlot wrote: lololol Every time MC calls something imba and MKP goes, "why?", I just crack up :D Yes, one of best moments of the HSC4. | ||
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publicenemies
458 Posts
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Leviance
Germany4079 Posts
The sponsors for HSCIV must have seen HSC3, HSC2 or HSC1 and they apparentely are perfectly fine with sponsoring such an event. | ||
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Ravnemesteren
224 Posts
On January 08 2012 10:51 csn_JohnClark wrote: I have to agree with a lot of what SuperFanBoy says here. I understand that the HSC is more about a 'relaxed' environment and thus there will be some things that do not appear to be the 'norm' for eSports or what we should expect moving forward.. but his point that this sort of event should not be what we portray eSports to be if we want to grow it as a viable competitive/business industry is valid. It is hard for many of you to understand where he is coming from I think...because for most of you, SC2 IS esports. The truth is.. it is not and these sort of discussions were being had over 10 years ago. For those of us who have been involved in eSports for that long, it can be frustrating to hear all of the "lets take eSports to the next level" talk.. while at the same time we support sub standard casting (because someone can trash on players and uses the N word a lot) or we all show up to support events/streams where players and commentators get drunk on stream... or worse yet we support players and casters over the competition. We also have to remember that for everyone post in here where someone is praising the actions/events happening on stream at the HSC .. there are many out there that feel just the opposite but are less likely to say it. SuperFanBoys points are valid (for him and many others) and it does provoke important conversation. Personally, I am liking a lot of what the HSC is about because I see if for what it is.. if the sponsors what to put the clamps down on the activities involved.. that will be their choice. I agree.. some of the on-air drunkenness is a bit annoying.. but oh well..it is their event. my 2.5 cents  Valid points? You cant water down all entertainment so nobody gets offended. Everyone knows drinking is part of HSC, it is even in the previews. If its offensive for you then don't watch. According to superfanboys logic the girls at the party should wear something to cover their hair so we they don't insult muslim viewers. Some people might get offended that they are all gambling for money... maybe they should stop doing that too? Some people might get annoyed they use casters that can't speak english properly ... make them stop that too huh? No seriously I see no valid points. There is no magical code of conduct for a right and proper and correct way of doing things And when it comes to growing the e-sports market, its only good that HSC offers a different product, its good that they do something that possibly caters to another type of viewers. Having a varied market is alot better than funneling everything into some imaginary correct way of doing things. I think its very ego centric to believe that your idea of the correct way of doings is the only way that will work. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On January 08 2012 10:51 csn_JohnClark wrote: It is hard for many of you to understand where he is coming from I think...because for most of you, SC2 IS esports. The truth is.. it is not and these sort of discussions were being had over 10 years ago. For those of us who have been involved in eSports for that long, it can be frustrating to hear all of the "lets take eSports to the next level" talk.. while at the same time we support sub standard casting (because someone can trash on players and uses the N word a lot) or we all show up to support events/streams where players and commentators get drunk on stream... or worse yet we support players and casters over the competition. On the other hand, players being drunk and relaxed isn't the reason western esports has continuously failed to get out of the basement for a decade, except on brief stints due to external factors. So maybe instead of having discussions on topic of drunk players 10 years ago, perhaps it would have been wiser to discuss things like ruthless / greedy management that doesn't give a shit, unreliable sponsorships and sponsors that don't give a shit, overinflated contracts, fake professionalism, biased journalism and various other commonplace occurrences that did hurt esports. Actually it's not so much that they hurt it, it's more that they apply the slowest and most painful recurring forms of torture to it. As for supporting players and casters over the competition, that is in my eyes many times better than catering to media and cheap publicity over the competition, effectively making esports and all its games a short-term entertainment stunt that lives and dies with the publicity bubbles it creates. I will agree with you that hearing all the talk about taking esports to the next level is frustrating (except for me it's frustrating, period). However, another thing that is frustrating to me is hearing the talk about professionalism and standards in an industry that has little of that even in the most fundamental categories. So until it does, we can at least enjoy watching people who actually are committed to THIS game being happy and having fun. | ||
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sicco
7 Posts
Get over it. It was a bit awkward watching take and mr bitter trying to handle the situation. And I felt a bit sorry for take because he pays drunken rottis for the casting, but thats just HSC. PS: watch some bitter/rotti shows (on esl.tv), they are ALWAYS (ok almost) drunk, making fun of each other (and girlfriends), its just normal. | ||
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smash1
60 Posts
Why is starcraft 2 the only gaming community that doesnt have a section for tournament videos? | ||
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
On January 08 2012 11:05 Leviance wrote: I can't believe people are actually complaining about the alcohol / silly stuff. They must have not seen the three predecessors. That's part of what HSC has been all about. Like some poster above me, I wonder how these people would have reacted if they had seen the Germany - Sweden Nation War with the stripper :D The sponsors for HSCIV must have seen HSC3, HSC2 or HSC1 and they apparentely are perfectly fine with sponsoring such an event. First of all, I have no actual problem with it, but I do mute the cast when bs like that starts. I enjoy the korean casting antics like everyone else, I enjoy people joking around, but I have no interest in seeing nerds drunk. Sure, drinking and bullshitting around is fun, but its something you do with friens and not something on the internet and in public, where it just seems childish and immature. The fact that someone got drunk last night is of no interest to me, and if you're out of the tournament, fine, if you're still in the tournament it makes me think you're not taking it seriously. I'm 100% sure you would never see Grubby, MrBitter or a Korean pull something like that (excl. fruitdealer). I know what happens when people get drunk and I have funnier stories then some dude I don't know sleeping naked in some other dudes bed. | ||
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zYwi3c
Poland1811 Posts
((((((((( Omg so sad for him. | ||
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devPLEASE
Kenya605 Posts
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GranDGranT
Sri Lanka2141 Posts
On January 08 2012 11:25 Derez wrote: First of all, I have no actual problem with it, but I do mute the cast when bs like that starts. I enjoy the korean casting antics like everyone else, I enjoy people joking around, but I have no interest in seeing nerds drunk. Sure, drinking and bullshitting around is fun, but its something you do with friens and not something on the internet and in public, where it just seems childish and immature. The fact that someone got drunk last night is of no interest to me, and if you're out of the tournament, fine, if you're still in the tournament it makes me think you're not taking it seriously. I'm 100% sure you would never see Grubby, MrBitter or a Korean pull something like that (excl. fruitdealer). I know what happens when people get drunk and I have funnier stories then some dude I don't know sleeping naked in some other dudes bed. ![[image loading]](http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/watch-out-we-got-a-badass-over-here-meme.png) | ||
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Vadrigar
Bulgaria2379 Posts
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Leviance
Germany4079 Posts
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Comadevil
Germany214 Posts
On January 08 2012 11:17 sicco wrote: And I felt a bit sorry for take because he pays drunken rottis for the casting, but thats just HSC. Actually i think, that Rotti gets exactly 0 Euro from Take for casting. Right now HSC is only possible because Take has a bunch of people who help him for nothing except for the perspective of being able to attend the HSCs and one or the other party Take organizes for them to express his thanks for their help. Right now he has maximum 1-2 people employed | ||
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Ravnemesteren
224 Posts
On January 08 2012 11:25 Derez wrote: First of all, I have no actual problem with it, but I do mute the cast when bs like that starts. I enjoy the korean casting antics like everyone else, I enjoy people joking around, but I have no interest in seeing nerds drunk. Sure, drinking and bullshitting around is fun, but its something you do with friens and not something on the internet and in public, where it just seems childish and immature. The fact that someone got drunk last night is of no interest to me, and if you're out of the tournament, fine, if you're still in the tournament it makes me think you're not taking it seriously. I'm 100% sure you would never see Grubby, MrBitter or a Korean pull something like that (excl. fruitdealer). I know what happens when people get drunk and I have funnier stories then some dude I don't know sleeping naked in some other dudes bed. You are a 100% sure mr Bitter would never pull anything like that? Hehe he has been piss drunk (much, much more drunk than anyone was at HSC), live at ESL tv, and that was during an official show at ESL.tv ... and his conduct would offend alot more people, I can promise you that. I thought it was funny though. | ||
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
On January 08 2012 10:51 csn_JohnClark wrote: Personally, I am liking a lot of what the HSC is about because I see if for what it is.. if the sponsors what to put the clamps down on the activities involved.. that will be their choice. I agree.. some of the on-air drunkenness is a bit annoying.. but oh well..it is their event. That's the only thing that counts. Numbers and sponsors. You're free to do your own events and even ban players from those events who dont follow your code of conduct in other events (i.e. "You may never be seen drunk on a stream"). In the end only the numbers are important. Which model is more successful. Also SFB mentioned "in Korea". That's completely irrelevant. If you i.e. compare US and German movies/series/video games you'll see a big difference. Germans are ok with sex and shy away from violence - in the US it's reversed. And producing companies look at their target market. So we have HSC a German production. The majority: German sponsors. Guess what: German legal drinking age: 16 for beer (and other light stuff), 18 everything else. Also you see a lot of players from "professional sports" (read: football) drinking ton of beer. On TV, in the newspaper, ... And as long as it's not during a competition - no one cares about it there. (So I'd agree with the point that it's stupid to get wasted while still in the tournament, ...) But that is the teams obligation. It's their job to regulate their players. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
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