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beute
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany197 Posts
January 08 2012 01:32 GMT
#8781
On January 08 2012 10:30 MoMaN- wrote:
hi everybody, i can say something i wasnt drunk, i was joking and i enjoyed it lol! sorry for the people didnt like it! but its HOMESTORY CUP!!!
♥

you were awesome, keep it up.
GranDGranT
Profile Joined April 2011
Sri Lanka2141 Posts
January 08 2012 01:33 GMT
#8782
On January 08 2012 10:31 scypio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2012 10:17 Comadevil wrote:
I just don't like this attitude of people like u who want to tell me and other people what good or bad esports is.
Everyone has another perspective and there is not the "right way" for promoting esports.


You just need to realize that esports is a legit business. It is where hard-trained cyber-athletes clash to prove their outstanding gaming skills.

You must remember this: esports is serious stuff now. By no means it should be anymore associated with terms such as "fun" or "having a good time".

Apparently Take does a horrible job with th HSC IV, reminding people that playing and watching Starcraft can be so much fun! It's like he's killing esports 50k viewers at a time.

I think that HSC IV has too be stopped, someone should make an online petition for it or something.

STOP HURTING ESPORTS! STARCRAFT IS SERIOUS!


[image loading]
All Dota 2 casters are bad at their job
Vul
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States685 Posts
January 08 2012 01:37 GMT
#8783
On January 08 2012 10:08 Ravnemesteren wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2012 09:46 SuperFanBoy wrote:
you would never see this sort of stuff in any Korean tournament, because there is a line of integrity that will never be crossed in Korea. It denigrates esports by having a drunk party atmosphere in a tournament, how can we expect others (the outside world) to take esports seriously, when the pro gamers themselves aren't taking it seriously.

I talk to my parents and other people about esports and sc2, they are always intrigued about how massive the scene is.. now imagine someone like myself got their parents to watch today, how embarrassing would it be? I know most of you don't give a shit about this sort of stuff, but the last 20-30mins was really painful for me to watch. Like I said before, the relaxed feel of the tournament is awesome, but when the hosts are getting drunk they need to be replaced until they become sober.

Also what do sponsors think when they see their shirt on a guy wasted out of his mind that he doesn't even know what hes talking about? Growth of esports my ass.


Please, everyone at the tournament is joking around, even the sober people, and even the koreans. Homestory cup has always been very different from other tournaments, and they don't try to act as professional as possible (well, not your kind of professional at least). They always tell tons of party/drinking stories, and it has always been partying involved. I can't see why you would be embarrased showing this to your parents, especially in this context. But if you get embarassed this might not be the tournament you should show them, and it is up to you (And you call that wasted out of your mind? Get out and see some really drunk people so you can tell the difference please).

And to be honest you sound like some conservative old lady that can't handle seeing half naked people on TV.


The reality though is that esports isn't real sports. No, you're not going to see anything like this in the NFL or a more "professional" league. Ordinarily I would say that SC2 should emulate professional sports leagues, but there's also room for doing things that traditional sports don't do.

The fact that in SC2 we can get away with a much more relaxed atmosphere is something that can be used for innovation and to increase its popularity. Could it get out of hand? It could, but remember we're talking about one tournament out of how many? Even if you only count major tournaments it's still quite a few-- that would at least count every GSL, IEM, MLG, DH, NASL, TSL, IPL and I probably missed some. The SC2 scene simply can't be said to lack serious tournaments.

And then the last thing I'll mention is that they advertised, up front and throughout the tournament, that there would be drinking involved. If you don't want to see people in the SC2 community get drunk, and if you're worried about watching that with people, then you know that this isn't the tournament for you. Show your friends and family any of those other tournaments, which are by far the majority.
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
January 08 2012 01:38 GMT
#8784
On January 08 2012 10:31 scypio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2012 10:17 Comadevil wrote:
I just don't like this attitude of people like u who want to tell me and other people what good or bad esports is.
Everyone has another perspective and there is not the "right way" for promoting esports.


You just need to realize that esports is a legit business. It is where hard-trained cyber-athletes clash to prove their outstanding gaming skills.

You must remember this: esports is serious stuff now. By no means it should be anymore associated with terms such as "fun" or "having a good time".

Apparently Take does a horrible job with th HSC IV, reminding people that playing and watching Starcraft can be so much fun! It's like he's killing esports 50k viewers at a time.

I think that HSC IV has too be stopped, someone should make an online petition for it or something.

STOP HURTING ESPORTS! STARCRAFT IS SERIOUS!


Best 14th post I've read. Gratz.
perser84
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany399 Posts
January 08 2012 01:39 GMT
#8785
On January 08 2012 10:31 scypio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2012 10:17 Comadevil wrote:
I just don't like this attitude of people like u who want to tell me and other people what good or bad esports is.
Everyone has another perspective and there is not the "right way" for promoting esports.



I think that HSC IV has too be stopped, someone should make an online petition for it or something.

STOP HURTING ESPORTS! STARCRAFT IS SERIOUS!



try it and i am sure you dont get even 1/1000 of the current viewer today wit your stupid petition

it was no like dreamhack or mlg but still i enjoyed it

and i dont think the other 49 999 agree with you or else they would just boycot it
andycz
Profile Joined September 2011
288 Posts
January 08 2012 01:41 GMT
#8786
On January 08 2012 10:39 perser84 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2012 10:31 scypio wrote:
On January 08 2012 10:17 Comadevil wrote:
I just don't like this attitude of people like u who want to tell me and other people what good or bad esports is.
Everyone has another perspective and there is not the "right way" for promoting esports.



I think that HSC IV has too be stopped, someone should make an online petition for it or something.

STOP HURTING ESPORTS! STARCRAFT IS SERIOUS!



try it and i am sure you dont get even 1/1000 of the current viewer today wit your stupid petition

it was no like dreamhack or mlg but still i enjoyed it

and i dont think the other 49 999 agree with you or else they would just boycot it

gotta love this thread
also scypio i fully support your efforts.. fun is a buzzword and it should be eliminated from our beautiful game.
Always looking for practice partners. EU: andy.1535
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
January 08 2012 01:42 GMT
#8787
On January 08 2012 10:30 MoMaN- wrote:
hi everybody, i can say something i wasnt drunk, i was joking and i enjoyed it lol! i'm really sorry for the people didnt like it perhaps i did wrong!!
But its HOMESTORY CUP its so nice like home family, everyone are nice people!!!
♥

enjoyed your presence through out the event (especially the late night streaming with Naama). Grats and GL with your new team ♥
Comadevil
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany214 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-08 01:46:01
January 08 2012 01:43 GMT
#8788
edit
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
January 08 2012 01:45 GMT
#8789
scypio was obviously joking guys...
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
January 08 2012 01:46 GMT
#8790
Playing starcraft drunk is amazingly funny. Casting it drunk in front of thousand of people must be orgasmic ahahaha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
andycz
Profile Joined September 2011
288 Posts
January 08 2012 01:46 GMT
#8791
On January 08 2012 10:43 Comadevil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2012 10:31 scypio wrote:
On January 08 2012 10:17 Comadevil wrote:
I just don't like this attitude of people like u who want to tell me and other people what good or bad esports is.
Everyone has another perspective and there is not the "right way" for promoting esports.


You just need to realize that esports is a legit business. It is where hard-trained cyber-athletes clash to prove their outstanding gaming skills.

You must remember this: esports is serious stuff now. By no means it should be anymore associated with terms such as "fun" or "having a good time".

Apparently Take does a horrible job with th HSC IV, reminding people that playing and watching Starcraft can be so much fun! It's like he's killing esports 50k viewers at a time.

I think that HSC IV has too be stopped, someone should make an online petition for it or something.

STOP HURTING ESPORTS! STARCRAFT IS SERIOUS!


I hope u just forgot the irony tags

else:

[image loading]

the image would be better if it was aimed at your post..
seriously guys it's not so hard to tell how serious he was being.
Always looking for practice partners. EU: andy.1535
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37110 Posts
January 08 2012 01:47 GMT
#8792
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! MY HEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

On a different note.... holy shiet Nerchio.....
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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vdale
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1173 Posts
January 08 2012 01:48 GMT
#8793
On January 08 2012 10:43 Comadevil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2012 10:31 scypio wrote:
On January 08 2012 10:17 Comadevil wrote:
I just don't like this attitude of people like u who want to tell me and other people what good or bad esports is.
Everyone has another perspective and there is not the "right way" for promoting esports.


You just need to realize that esports is a legit business. It is where hard-trained cyber-athletes clash to prove their outstanding gaming skills.

You must remember this: esports is serious stuff now. By no means it should be anymore associated with terms such as "fun" or "having a good time".

Apparently Take does a horrible job with th HSC IV, reminding people that playing and watching Starcraft can be so much fun! It's like he's killing esports 50k viewers at a time.

I think that HSC IV has too be stopped, someone should make an online petition for it or something.

STOP HURTING ESPORTS! STARCRAFT IS SERIOUS!


I hope u just forgot the irony tags

I don't think the irony/sarcasm can be more obvious.

Expect for Irony-Tags of course
Comadevil
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany214 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-08 01:52:01
January 08 2012 01:51 GMT
#8794
yes, i realized after i read it more thoroughly That's why i edited my original post

But i have read such things already so many times who meant such things really serious
ES_JohnClark
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1121 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-08 01:53:16
January 08 2012 01:51 GMT
#8795
On January 08 2012 09:50 SuperFanBoy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2012 09:49 Crushinator wrote:
On January 08 2012 09:46 SuperFanBoy wrote:
you would never see this sort of stuff in any Korean tournament, because there is a line of integrity that will never be crossed in Korea. It denigrates esports by having a drunk party atmosphere in a tournament, how can we expect others (the outside world) to take esports seriously, when the pro gamers themselves aren't taking it seriously.

I talk to my parents and other people about esports and sc2, they are always intrigued about how massive the scene is.. now imagine someone like myself got their parents to watch today, how embarrassing would it be? I know most of you don't give a shit about this sort of stuff, but the last 20-30mins was really painful for me to watch. Like I said before, the relaxed feel of the tournament is awesome, but when the hosts are getting drunk they need to be replaced until they become sober.

Also what do sponsors think when they see their shirt on a guy wasted out of his mind that he doesn't even know what hes talking about? Growth of esports my ass.


Why post the same inane shit several times?


because people like you don't understand the point i'm trying to make.


I have to agree with a lot of what SuperFanBoy says here. I understand that the HSC is more about a 'relaxed' environment and thus there will be some things that do not appear to be the 'norm' for eSports or what we should expect moving forward.. but his point that this sort of event should not be what we portray eSports to be if we want to grow it as a viable competitive/business industry is valid.

It is hard for many of you to understand where he is coming from I think...because for most of you, SC2 IS esports. The truth is.. it is not and these sort of discussions were being had over 10 years ago. For those of us who have been involved in eSports for that long, it can be frustrating to hear all of the "lets take eSports to the next level" talk.. while at the same time we support sub standard casting (because someone can trash on players and uses the N word a lot) or we all show up to support events/streams where players and commentators get drunk on stream... or worse yet we support players and casters over the competition.

We also have to remember that for everyone post in here where someone is praising the actions/events happening on stream at the HSC .. there are many out there that feel just the opposite but are less likely to say it. SuperFanBoys points are valid (for him and many others) and it does provoke important conversation.

Personally, I am liking a lot of what the HSC is about because I see if for what it is.. if the sponsors what to put the clamps down on the activities involved.. that will be their choice. I agree.. some of the on-air drunkenness is a bit annoying.. but oh well..it is their event.

my 2.5 cents
Still Naked!
GranDGranT
Profile Joined April 2011
Sri Lanka2141 Posts
January 08 2012 01:53 GMT
#8796
Watch any Fighter Cali LAN stream
All Dota 2 casters are bad at their job
ES_JohnClark
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1121 Posts
January 08 2012 01:55 GMT
#8797
On January 08 2012 10:53 GranDGranT wrote:
Watch any Fighter Cali LAN stream


And now you know why the FC has yet to be taken seriously in the world of eSports.
Still Naked!
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37110 Posts
January 08 2012 01:56 GMT
#8798
On January 07 2012 19:29 Seeker wrote:
7 Koreans hwaiting!!!!!! And 1 foreigner ;D

...........
.........
.........

I was so close..... so close.....

HerO..... :[
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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GranDGranT
Profile Joined April 2011
Sri Lanka2141 Posts
January 08 2012 01:56 GMT
#8799
On January 08 2012 10:55 csn_JohnClark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2012 10:53 GranDGranT wrote:
Watch any Fighter Cali LAN stream


And now you know why the FC has yet to be taken seriously in the world of Teamliquid.



there ya go
All Dota 2 casters are bad at their job
Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
January 08 2012 01:58 GMT
#8800
Man, I can only imagine how bad people would be freaking out if they saw the one with the stripper.
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