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kslghost
Profile Joined June 2011
246 Posts
December 15 2011 12:03 GMT
#2541
On December 15 2011 20:56 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 20:55 Qikz wrote:
On December 15 2011 20:53 Spiner wrote:
On December 15 2011 20:50 Redox wrote:
Lol little ridiculous how down the commentators sound just becaise their favorite palyer has not won. MMA played better, deal with it.


Meh. TvT is more of a coin flip than most people think. There's just so much stuff that can be done which means there's so much stuff you need to counter.


All MVP needed was a bunker. If you're going mech you badly need a bunker

... or Siege Tank upgrade.


Pretty much no way to get Siege Mode that quickly.
Pipeline
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1673 Posts
December 15 2011 12:03 GMT
#2542
On December 15 2011 20:52 Salteador Neo wrote:
Naniwa also got cheesed hard by terrans. Actually I think most of them think they get a better chance of winning if cheesing than playing a standard game lately, and they do win.


Sad but true. Terran cheese is so powerful because you can do what ever you want behind a wall off. If you proxy 2 racks you dont have to worry about it, just float it home. If I played terran Id probably do that too, a lot. But it is definitely not entertaining.

My prediction for MMA vs DRG.
game 1: MMA does a obnoxious double barracks proxy somewhere "hidden" that the slayers terrans have found.
game 2: Bunker rush into siege tank marine push.
game 3: standard play??? hopefully
Taug
Profile Joined March 2011
United States146 Posts
December 15 2011 12:04 GMT
#2543
The GSL finals that mma beat mvp 4-1 , MVP had played a lot of games before that finals because they merged two tournaments together. not legitimately fair.
The Golden Rule
bonedriven
Profile Joined August 2010
258 Posts
December 15 2011 12:04 GMT
#2544
I heard people are saying that MC intentioned to lose the 4th match against DRG and should be punished. LOL
Hence,"Like a Virgin."
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37072 Posts
December 15 2011 12:04 GMT
#2545
asdfkljasdl;fjaskl;dfjkal;sdjfkl;asdf

Guys....

MVP is not perfect....

MMA played better today....

Whether u agree with me or not, that's fine, everyone's entitled to their own opinion.

But the results of today do not lie.

MMA 3 - 0 MVP

Let's move on and look forward to a great finals with DRG vs MMA
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
December 15 2011 12:05 GMT
#2546
MMA had wayyyy too much time to prepare honestly. He didn't even play for Slayers in Slayers vs. Mouz while MVP came out as the ace against coLMVP
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37072 Posts
December 15 2011 12:06 GMT
#2547
Also note:

[IPL TAC] Today, SlayerS lost to Mousesports

They sent out 0 of their Ace Terran users (Ryung does not count)

All the SlayerS Ts were helping out MMA prepare for MVP.

So yeah, IMHO, MMA deserved to win this
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Pajegetc
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3158 Posts
December 15 2011 12:06 GMT
#2548
On December 15 2011 20:58 synkronized wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 20:53 TheDwf wrote:
On December 15 2011 20:51 shabby wrote:
So many angry MVP fans now. :O How is 2rax stim timing with expo behind cheese? All early attacks are cheese? All 1base attacks are cheese? Picked MVP apart.

Don't you know the rules on LR threads ?

Attack before 10' = cheese.
Attack between 10' and 15' = all-in.
Game ends after 15' = imbalance.

HAHA that's so true. Gotta love the excuses people use when their idol loses.


<3 people that basically qoute my sig lol :-p
Lose Early game - Cheese. Lose Mid Game - All Ined. Lose Late Game - OMG IMBALANCE. My Guide to Zerg LR.
138Raptor
Profile Joined June 2011
15 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-15 12:07:56
December 15 2011 12:06 GMT
#2549
On December 15 2011 21:04 Taug wrote:
The GSL finals that mma beat mvp 4-1 , MVP had played a lot of games before that finals because they merged two tournaments together. not legitimately fair.


Oh boo hoo. 8-1. MVP is obviously not the de facto best TvT'er (and certainly not TvZer) in the world. Use your brains, of course MVP has a better winning ratio... he's been playing, in top form, for way longer.
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
December 15 2011 12:06 GMT
#2550
On December 15 2011 21:05 Itsmedudeman wrote:
MMA had wayyyy too much time to prepare honestly. He didn't even play for Slayers in Slayers vs. Mouz while MVP came out as the ace against coLMVP

the coLMVP match was played 2-2.5 weeks ago whereas SlayerS vs Mouz was incredibly recent iirc
ladyumbra
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada1699 Posts
December 15 2011 12:06 GMT
#2551
On December 15 2011 21:00 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 20:59 Fionn wrote:
On December 15 2011 20:58 Juliette wrote:
Hey wait

we should ask for a 3rd/4th place match


I would rather have them do another All-Star match with the other eight players in the Blizzard Cup.

Team Group A with MC, Stephano, Hero and MVP vs. Team Group B with Polt, Leenock, Nestea and Naniwa.


4v4 match. Team A vs B would be hilarious



If gom did that they could have all my money, plus could you Iimagine the bickering going on in allied chat. "Stop spreading your creep in my base" " Stop requesting resources from me" " Hey I was gonna take that expansion!." it would be all kind of glorious lulz ^-^


MMA and DRG have a lot to live up to after jjakji vs leenock finals.
HauntYou
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada68 Posts
December 15 2011 12:07 GMT
#2552
Please, MMA is in no way obligated to cater to MVP's 1-rax expand or banshee opening when he can counter it perfectly by preparation. Much like Leenock vs Naniwa, why let your opponent easily gain an advantage when he's inclined to do the same thing over and over again?

MVP failed to adapt, which is not something I would expect from the world's best player, but it happens. But the outcome is in no way a joke. Much like I can't fault Polt for his early timings against MMA, and I don't fault MVP whenever he cheeses (which is more often than one would think, but people are comforted by the idea that he's proven that he can win in macro games so they seem to assume that it's more of a whimsical choice than a calculated decision that gives him the greatest chance of victory). MMA dissected him perfectly, and in a BoX, I don't think you can really blame a player for tailoring his strategy to the player and the map not, say, basing it on how he would play a random macro game. The games aren't quite interesting themselves, but the specifics of the strategy and the metagame can provide some food for thought- if MVP were able to read the situation better it would have likely turned out differently.

MMA did what he had to win, and MVP couldn't. The 3-0 signifies that MVP wasn't able to anticipate MMA's preparation, because as the purportedly better player, MVP felt like he could safely play his own game and have MMA fall into his rhythm. It didn't work out that way. He should've had some contingencies for a situation like this.

Battles aren't won on paper, it's not who should win but who made the most out of their opportunity. That said, from what I could see of MVP's play before it was derailed, he wasn't playing quite up to his usual level anyway, and I'd be hard-pressed to say he would've won definitively in macro games.
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
December 15 2011 12:07 GMT
#2553
Seems like a lot of this was poor decision making no?
Game 1: Trade expo for your main/production facilities
Game 2: "Let MMA in" to do a "double pronged attack" that came in too piecemeal
Game 3: Not build a bunker up top

MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
December 15 2011 12:07 GMT
#2554
On December 15 2011 21:03 Pipeline wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 20:52 Salteador Neo wrote:
Naniwa also got cheesed hard by terrans. Actually I think most of them think they get a better chance of winning if cheesing than playing a standard game lately, and they do win.


Sad but true. Terran cheese is so powerful because you can do what ever you want behind a wall off. If you proxy 2 racks you dont have to worry about it, just float it home. If I played terran Id probably do that too, a lot. But it is definitely not entertaining.

My prediction for MMA vs DRG.
game 1: MMA does a obnoxious double barracks proxy somewhere "hidden" that the slayers terrans have found.
game 2: Bunker rush into siege tank marine push.
game 3: standard play??? hopefully

Finals are a bo7 !
Caesarion
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia8332 Posts
December 15 2011 12:07 GMT
#2555
On December 15 2011 21:00 Hassybaby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 20:58 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On December 15 2011 20:56 Hassybaby wrote:
On December 15 2011 20:53 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On December 15 2011 20:52 Hassybaby wrote:
The best ZvT vs the best TvZ...this should be good hopefully

The DRG/MMA games have been pretty ace so far.

what? IMHappy isnt in the tournament? I guess you mean 2nd best TvZ for mma, right?


Eurgh...I hate that guy so much...

15-2 in TvZ, 11 game win streak :D


Still hate him.

I discovered the reason while I hate him as well, but now I've forgotten. So it's back to irrational hatred


What?! How could you?

MiniVP is so awesome. <3
Blacktion
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom1148 Posts
December 15 2011 12:08 GMT
#2556
On December 15 2011 20:22 Blacktion wrote:
Artosis predicts itll go to game 5?
GG its gonna be 3-0 MMA.

Called it.
Artosis remains the king of terrible predictions!
Where's Boxer, there's victory! - figq
VeNoM HaZ Skill
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1528 Posts
December 15 2011 12:08 GMT
#2557
On December 15 2011 21:05 Itsmedudeman wrote:
MMA had wayyyy too much time to prepare honestly. He didn't even play for Slayers in Slayers vs. Mouz while MVP came out as the ace against coLMVP

That would be a team issue, if you want to complain.
#1 MMA fan! I like you too Taeja. Still patiently waiting for the Crown Prince to become the King.
kslghost
Profile Joined June 2011
246 Posts
December 15 2011 12:09 GMT
#2558
On December 15 2011 21:05 Itsmedudeman wrote:
MMA had wayyyy too much time to prepare honestly. He didn't even play for Slayers in Slayers vs. Mouz while MVP came out as the ace against coLMVP


QIM vs coLMVP game was played two weeks ago. This was said on the cast by the casters.
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
December 15 2011 12:09 GMT
#2559
nice bbbbbbonjwa breaker MMA!
Stork[gm]
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
December 15 2011 12:10 GMT
#2560
On December 15 2011 21:03 kslghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 15 2011 20:56 TheDwf wrote:
On December 15 2011 20:55 Qikz wrote:
On December 15 2011 20:53 Spiner wrote:
On December 15 2011 20:50 Redox wrote:
Lol little ridiculous how down the commentators sound just becaise their favorite palyer has not won. MMA played better, deal with it.


Meh. TvT is more of a coin flip than most people think. There's just so much stuff that can be done which means there's so much stuff you need to counter.


All MVP needed was a bunker. If you're going mech you badly need a bunker

... or Siege Tank upgrade.


Pretty much no way to get Siege Mode that quickly.

I'd have to see the game again, but since Siege Mode takes only 80 sec, I'm pretty sure he could have it in time. Going down without any bunker or Siege Mode was a risky move, and MMA happened to punish it.
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