EPT15-2 in TvZ, 11 game win streak :D
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
15-2 in TvZ, 11 game win streak :D | ||
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Dariusz
Poland657 Posts
On December 15 2011 20:46 MrCash wrote: Early pressure != chessing. Reading your opponent and preparing perfect counter builds = highest level players in the world. Sadly people who aren't smart enaugh to comprehend it, just see and yell "CHEESE". Amazing games by MMA: Game 1. Brilliant decision making and army movement Game 2. Super early all in based on predicted MVP's greedy play Game 3. Super well timed attack designed to hit right before MVP was ready and able to secure his natural | ||
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synkronized
United States125 Posts
On December 15 2011 20:53 TheDwf wrote: Don't you know the rules on LR threads ? Attack before 10' = cheese. Attack between 10' and 15' = all-in. Game ends after 15' = imbalance. HAHA that's so true. Gotta love the excuses people use when their idol loses. | ||
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Zalithian
520 Posts
On December 15 2011 20:57 hysterial wrote: I never said MVP owns MMA, I said MVP is the better overall terran, which is undeniable. They're both really good. Typical LR thread though, favorite player loses and it's nothing but excuses/whines. | ||
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Treziel
United Kingdom123 Posts
On December 15 2011 20:54 VeNoM HaZ Skill wrote: Objectively? MMA TvZ is much better than MVP's. MMA just beat him in a TvT. And both their TvPs suck ass, unless you want to preach to me how MVP's 1-1-1 and 2-Base Marine Tank timings aren't cheese. In that case pretty much every Terran's T v P sucks ass because not many T's beat good P's when the game goes beyond a 2 base timing attack which doesn't do any damage. There's a reason for the 1-1-1's and 2 base allins in T v P and I think it should be fairly obvious what that is. | ||
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Mycl
Australia1370 Posts
On December 15 2011 20:57 Itsmedudeman wrote: Imo it was kind of silly of GOM to make a tournament where they declare best player of the year with this one. It was kind of obvious and not really even close as to who was the best player regardless of the result. It was a good way to take away WCG's thunder. | ||
Fionn
United States23455 Posts
On December 15 2011 20:58 Juliette wrote: Hey wait we should ask for a 3rd/4th place match I would rather have them do another All-Star match with the other eight players in the Blizzard Cup. Team Group A with MC, Stephano, Hero and MVP vs. Team Group B with Polt, Leenock, Nestea and Naniwa. | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
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Juliette
United States6003 Posts
On December 15 2011 20:59 Fionn wrote: I would rather have them do another All-Star match with the other eight players in the Blizzard Cup. Team Group A with MC, Stephano, Hero and MVP vs. Team Group B with Polt, Leenock, Nestea and Naniwa. fionn replied to me O_O but that's actually a great idea | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On December 15 2011 20:59 Fionn wrote: I would rather have them do another All-Star match with the other eight players in the Blizzard Cup. Team Group A with MC, Stephano, Hero and MVP vs. Team Group B with Polt, Leenock, Nestea and Naniwa. 4v4 match. Team A vs B  would be hilarious | ||
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bittman
Australia8759 Posts
On December 15 2011 20:57 Wildmoon wrote: You don't know what you are talking about if you think MMA's TvZ is much better than MVP's. Yeah. Basically here's how MMA and MVP size up. TvZ - both the best in the world, hard to tell who is better TvT - MVP is better in the matchup on stats, but MMA's style counters MVP it appears TvP - MVP's worst MU is still ok. For MMA it's not terrible either...but not fantastic... In my eyes, they're about even in their matchup strengths and weaknesses. MMA just needs more consistency, which I think he's starting to find. MVP just needs to make bunkers =P | ||
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Ryncol
United States980 Posts
On December 15 2011 20:53 hysterial wrote: Excuse me what has MMA won? Now tell me what MVP has won. I think that Mvp is probably the better all-around player, and still find it hilarious that you're trying to make this point by using the number of tournament wins. All of Mvp's GSL wins have been against Terrans. Two against MKP, and one against TOP. MMA then proceeds to 4-1 Mvp in a GSL finals. Using just tournament wins as an example, and now this 3-0, how is MMA not the better TvT player? | ||
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
On December 15 2011 20:58 Shellshock1122 wrote: 15-2 in TvZ, 11 game win streak :D Still hate him. I discovered the reason while I hate him as well, but now I've forgotten. So it's back to irrational hatred | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On December 15 2011 20:57 Emperor_Earth wrote: Go back to rts basics. Cheese and allins have nothing to do with timing. Cheese is something where the odds of a build's success depends very heavily on it either not being easily countered when scouted e.g: CC first TvZ, cannon rush PvZ, +1 sling allin ZvZ Allin is a strategy that has no logical followup e.g: marine scv allin, 5gate warp prism, 6pool Except 6-pool is not always an all-in (in ZvP, assuming a decent Protoss, it will have a follow-up), and CC first in TvZ is by no way close to being a cheese, so don't really see the points with your examples. | ||
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jspark703
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Clefairy
1570 Posts
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
On December 15 2011 21:00 bittman wrote: Yeah. Basically here's how MMA and MVP size up. TvZ - both the best in the world, hard to tell who is better TvT - MVP is better in the matchup on stats, but MMA's style counters MVP it appears TvP - MVP's worst MU is still ok. For MMA it's not terrible either...but not fantastic... In my eyes, they're about even in their matchup strengths and weaknesses. MMA just needs more consistency, which I think he's starting to find. MVP just needs to make bunkers =P Actually, regarding TvP While MVP allegedly sucks at TvP, he has a 63% win ratio which isn't too shabby at all for a worst matchup. On the flipside MMA actually SUCKS at TvP, with a really lacking 45% win ratio. | ||
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Wildmoon
Thailand4189 Posts
On December 15 2011 21:00 Ryncol wrote: I think that Mvp is probably the better all-around player, and still find it hilarious that you're trying to make this point by using the number of tournament wins. All of Mvp's GSL wins have been against Terrans. Two against MKP, and one against TOP. MMA then proceeds to 4-1 Mvp in a GSL finals. Using just tournament wins as an example, and now this 3-0, how is MMA not the better TvT player? MVP is still better TvT overall. Just look at his winrate. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On December 15 2011 21:02 mordk wrote: Actually, regarding TvP While MVP allegedly sucks at TvP, he has a 63% win ratio which isn't too shabby at all for a worst matchup. On the flipside MMA actually SUCKS at TvP, with a really lacking 45% win ratio. Agreed. MMA's TvP is really quite bad while MVP's isn't great, but he's still favored against any protoss in the world in a bo7. | ||
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Kitaen
Austria466 Posts
On December 15 2011 21:00 bittman wrote: Yeah. Basically here's how MMA and MVP size up. TvZ - both the best in the world, hard to tell who is better TvT - MVP is better in the matchup on stats, but MMA's style counters MVP it appears TvP - MVP's worst MU is still ok. For MMA it's not terrible either...but not fantastic... In my eyes, they're about even in their matchup strengths and weaknesses. MMA just needs more consistency, which I think he's starting to find. MVP just needs to make bunkers =P that sums it up pretty well | ||
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