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Anyone who continues this absolutely terrible off topic time of play debate from page 11 and onward will be banned.

The same goes for the regular crowd of:

-Balance whiners
-Stream whiners
-Event and caster bashers
-HoN vs LoL vs Dota debaters

Stick to the games and enjoy your free event.
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
December 04 2011 21:09 GMT
#341
On December 05 2011 06:03 Inky87 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2011 05:58 babylon wrote:
On December 05 2011 05:49 nanaoei wrote:
despite what you guys will say about HoN or really any game like DotA or LoL, it is an unforgiving game at a high level of play. there is a big disparity in what you will see between an average player and a great player.

pro players in HoN will often have around 150-200apm for controlling just their one unit for example. it is partly because everything that spawns in the game especially your own hero, provides gold once killed (you can choose to 'deny' the gaining of that gold by heroes of another team by attacking and killing your allied units/teammates)

HoN or DotA is especially unforgiving when you are a new player, even if you are just playing against other new players. the amount of knowledge and general control you need will catch up to you by the beginning minutes of the game.
i have played all of these games for a reasonable amount of time and with pre-made teams and i actually find it potentially more frustrating than most games of starcraft.

what i mean to say is, don't look down on a genre or game because it looks silly or easy unless you want to appear simple or silly yourself.. simple as that.

Well, the issue is that you'll have top tier DotA teams saying that being a pro DotA player isn't really that stressful or difficult and that they have a lot of time to do outside activities compared to other pros in different games. >.<

It was in some interview with a top Chinese team. I'm 90% sure it was someone on CCM (before they were acquired) or iG who said this.

I think the barrier is teamwork for the non-chinese teams. There's team changes and mixing up a lot from what I've seen.

Team-changing isn't really uncommon in Chinese DotA teams either, from what I can tell; I feel like there's a team change every week ... there's a reason why people were really upset when LGD disbanded and got eaten up by iG, since it was known as the team that always stuck together. =X

I would get more into the DotA scene, but I can't stand watching the games, tbh. Watching it be played out from FPOV is fine, but the caster overview makes it hard for me to stay interested for some reason.
CEPEHDREI
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany1521 Posts
December 04 2011 21:10 GMT
#342
i want to see the finals but its at 5am german time. meeeeeeeeeh
ramon
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4842 Posts
December 04 2011 21:10 GMT
#343
On December 05 2011 05:58 bikefrog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2011 05:55 Sakkreth wrote:
On December 05 2011 05:49 babylon wrote:
In general, what's the tier of difficulty for DotA/HoN/LoL? Which is considered most difficult? I've heard DotA's harder to deal with due to the pathing ... ?


DotA>HoN>>>>>>>>>>>>>LoL

in diffuculty.


As a player of both DotA and HoN I would say HoN is harder by far. DotA is slow as fuck in comparison so it's much easier to react.

yeah dota is just more uncomfortable to play so people presume it's harder and maybe because the progamers are considered higher skill than the hon ones, but i think gameplaywise hon is harder (not by a lot though)

---
i have missed all of the finals so far and will stay up basically the hole night to catch some, hope for good games

heroooooooo
bisu
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-04 21:13:10
December 04 2011 21:11 GMT
#344
okay hellbourne can basically give up now.

edit: and yeah i'm also not gonna watch sc2, the time sucks too much. but can't help it, i feel for those americans that have a hard time watching the GSL. although in some way i prefer such events to the GSL, as they are pretty special while GSL is so often.
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-04 21:13:20
December 04 2011 21:11 GMT
#345
On December 05 2011 06:10 ramon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2011 05:58 bikefrog wrote:
On December 05 2011 05:55 Sakkreth wrote:
On December 05 2011 05:49 babylon wrote:
In general, what's the tier of difficulty for DotA/HoN/LoL? Which is considered most difficult? I've heard DotA's harder to deal with due to the pathing ... ?


DotA>HoN>>>>>>>>>>>>>LoL

in diffuculty.


As a player of both DotA and HoN I would say HoN is harder by far. DotA is slow as fuck in comparison so it's much easier to react.

yeah dota is just more uncomfortable to play so people presume it's harder and maybe because the progamers are considered higher skill than the hon ones, but i think gameplaywise hon is harder (not by a lot though)

---
i have missed all of the finals so far and will stay up basically the hole night to catch some, hope for good games

heroooooooo

Okay, following up on this question, where does DotA 2.0 go in the tiers?

... dude, is DotA 2.0 even released yet? I thought it was.
KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25658 Posts
December 04 2011 21:11 GMT
#346
On December 05 2011 06:11 HolydaKing wrote:
okay hellbourne can basically give up now.



Indeed, but hon teams usually have very odd concede timing :D
They probably need to die once more before they really give up.
AdministratorLaws change depending on who's making them, but justice is justice
126Q;A1
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden517 Posts
December 04 2011 21:12 GMT
#347
gogo Lions and T-zain <3
jaedong: "I play Counter-Strike and that is the only game I like to follow [...] my favorite team is WeMade FOX but I also like SK and fnatic."
FreudianTrip
Profile Joined July 2011
Switzerland1983 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-04 21:13:29
December 04 2011 21:13 GMT
#348
On December 05 2011 05:46 Zebb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2011 05:43 KadaverBB wrote:
This game is pretty much over already, legionnaire is almost unstoppable at this point. Maybe if he does something incredible stupid, but i do not see that happening.


That's the impression I was getting from about the 8 minute mark. I'm not a HoN expert at all, but is there any feasible way for MSI to come back? This seems to be one of the most frustrating things about this gametype... even with an insurmountable lead the winning team can't close out the win for a long long time.


The problem is people refusing to GG. Imagine if every Starcraft player refused to GG until their last CC got destroyed even though they had no probes. It's the same thing in DoTa/HoN
FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6184 Posts
December 04 2011 21:13 GMT
#349
dam those game are just infinit.. so long T___T
n_n
Zorgaz
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2951 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-04 21:14:30
December 04 2011 21:13 GMT
#350
When does SC2 start!?

I'm Afraid I'm going to need to go to bed before they start the SC2 xD.

Furthermore, I think the Collosi should be removed! (Zorgaz -Terran/AbrA-Random/Zorg-Dota2) Guineapigs <3
SinisterR
Profile Joined October 2011
Ireland57 Posts
December 04 2011 21:14 GMT
#351
On December 05 2011 06:13 Zorgaz wrote:
When does SC2 start!?

I don't give a shit about HoN =/

Afraid I need to go to bed b4 they start the SC2 -.-'


Opening Post.
FreudianTrip
Profile Joined July 2011
Switzerland1983 Posts
December 04 2011 21:15 GMT
#352
Who is that guy next to Breaky?
Nick3
Profile Joined March 2011
513 Posts
December 04 2011 21:15 GMT
#353
Was that a dwarf playing HoN?
Zorgaz
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2951 Posts
December 04 2011 21:15 GMT
#354
On December 05 2011 06:14 SinisterR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2011 06:13 Zorgaz wrote:
When does SC2 start!?

I don't give a shit about HoN =/

Afraid I need to go to bed b4 they start the SC2 -.-'


Opening Post.


Realized i came on too spoiled though, but man.. ^^
Furthermore, I think the Collosi should be removed! (Zorgaz -Terran/AbrA-Random/Zorg-Dota2) Guineapigs <3
KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25658 Posts
December 04 2011 21:15 GMT
#355
GGWP, now on to the finals
I will live report a bit more about which heroes are actually dota heroes if anyone is interested.
AdministratorLaws change depending on who's making them, but justice is justice
clownzim
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Brazil267 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-04 21:17:36
December 04 2011 21:15 GMT
#356
one bo3 of hon b4 sc2?
sry but hon is just bad dota2 or lol are way better.....
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
December 04 2011 21:15 GMT
#357
Lol sounds like Europeans won't watch SC2 after all. Way to go NASL.
I have fucking classes tomorrow morning :'(
KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25658 Posts
December 04 2011 21:16 GMT
#358
On December 05 2011 06:15 FreudianTrip wrote:
Who is that guy next to Breaky?


Its Philthethrill, weird name but good caster
AdministratorLaws change depending on who's making them, but justice is justice
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
December 04 2011 21:17 GMT
#359
On December 05 2011 06:13 FaCE_1 wrote:
dam those game are just infinit.. so long T___T

i don't really hate watching HoN, except for that often the clearly winning teams can't end the game...

putting in some kind of game ending rule is hard though, as comebacks can happen when you don't expect them.
GizmoPT
Profile Joined May 2010
Portugal3040 Posts
December 04 2011 21:17 GMT
#360
omg this is retarded this games takes ages to end i wanted to see the sc2 finals im out ffff

User was temp banned for this post.
Snipers Promod & Micro Arena Creator in SC2 Arcade - Portuguese Community Admin for SC2, HotS and Overwatch - Ex-Portugal SC2 Team Manager, Ex- Copenhagen Wolves and Grow uP Gaming Manager in SC2. Just Playing games now!
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