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DreamHack Winter 2011 Day 3 - Page 138

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GenoZStriker
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2914 Posts
November 26 2011 16:19 GMT
#2741
On November 27 2011 01:13 razy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 01:01 ceaRshaf wrote:
On November 27 2011 00:33 McFeser wrote:
As much as everyone wants HerO to win, if Ret wins against him he'll take the tournament. Ret is really underrated and wouldn't have any trouble defeating Puma.


So you think Red is better than DRG if you say he will have no problem vs PuMa. Is that what you are sayin?


if ret wins puma, the guy who's beaten DRG, the best zerg, cause he's beaten MVP who won against nestea (who artosis believed was the best zerg) then certainly the best zerg in the world title goes to huk who managed to beat MC while idra gg'ed against forsen and not gg'ed against kas who certainly is the cheeser and loves to allin as much as Puma who only does 1-1-1 against zergs and elfi, who used abusive builds with no success during the asus rog against jp.

I'm sure about that.

O_o inception!
eSports Prodigy & Illuminati member.
GreenAndOrangeTurtle
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia193 Posts
November 26 2011 16:20 GMT
#2742
On November 27 2011 01:12 Micket wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 01:03 Talin wrote:
On November 27 2011 01:01 ceaRshaf wrote:
On November 27 2011 00:33 McFeser wrote:
As much as everyone wants HerO to win, if Ret wins against him he'll take the tournament. Ret is really underrated and wouldn't have any trouble defeating Puma.


So you think Red is better than DRG if you say he will have no problem vs PuMa. Is that what you are sayin?


They're different kinds of Zerg. And Ret's macro is probably better, yes.

DRG has the best injects of all Zergs in the world. Ret plays more greedy, yes, so he will have more stuff if left unharassed, but DRG is better mechanically.


Yesterday in Ret v Thorzain, he had queens at <5 energy at the 15 mins mark after holding of some strong aggression on Dual Sight. If anyone can be better than that i will be amazed...
DRG is great but there is almost no-one that has better mechanics than Ret. DRGs strength is think is in his amazing muta control
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former - Albert Einstein
Micket
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2163 Posts
November 26 2011 16:20 GMT
#2743
On November 27 2011 01:19 GenoZStriker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 01:13 razy wrote:
On November 27 2011 01:01 ceaRshaf wrote:
On November 27 2011 00:33 McFeser wrote:
As much as everyone wants HerO to win, if Ret wins against him he'll take the tournament. Ret is really underrated and wouldn't have any trouble defeating Puma.


So you think Red is better than DRG if you say he will have no problem vs PuMa. Is that what you are sayin?


if ret wins puma, the guy who's beaten DRG, the best zerg, cause he's beaten MVP who won against nestea (who artosis believed was the best zerg) then certainly the best zerg in the world title goes to huk who managed to beat MC while idra gg'ed against forsen and not gg'ed against kas who certainly is the cheeser and loves to allin as much as Puma who only does 1-1-1 against zergs and elfi, who used abusive builds with no success during the asus rog against jp.

I'm sure about that.

O_o inception!

Gotta love how Elfi dismantled JP.
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
November 26 2011 16:20 GMT
#2744
On November 27 2011 01:19 GenoZStriker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 01:13 razy wrote:
On November 27 2011 01:01 ceaRshaf wrote:
On November 27 2011 00:33 McFeser wrote:
As much as everyone wants HerO to win, if Ret wins against him he'll take the tournament. Ret is really underrated and wouldn't have any trouble defeating Puma.


So you think Red is better than DRG if you say he will have no problem vs PuMa. Is that what you are sayin?


if ret wins puma, the guy who's beaten DRG, the best zerg, cause he's beaten MVP who won against nestea (who artosis believed was the best zerg) then certainly the best zerg in the world title goes to huk who managed to beat MC while idra gg'ed against forsen and not gg'ed against kas who certainly is the cheeser and loves to allin as much as Puma who only does 1-1-1 against zergs and elfi, who used abusive builds with no success during the asus rog against jp.

I'm sure about that.

O_o inception!


*insert epic background music*
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
November 26 2011 16:21 GMT
#2745
I like Ret, but assuming he beats Hero, I don't think he'll have a chance against Puma, who has beaten him multiple times before (NASL 2-0, MLG Providence 2-0). Puma's hyper aggressive play seems to be kryptonite to Ret.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Stanlot
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5742 Posts
November 26 2011 16:21 GMT
#2746
On November 27 2011 01:13 razy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 01:01 ceaRshaf wrote:
On November 27 2011 00:33 McFeser wrote:
As much as everyone wants HerO to win, if Ret wins against him he'll take the tournament. Ret is really underrated and wouldn't have any trouble defeating Puma.


So you think Red is better than DRG if you say he will have no problem vs PuMa. Is that what you are sayin?


if ret wins puma, the guy who's beaten DRG, the best zerg, cause he's beaten MVP who won against nestea (who artosis believed was the best zerg) then certainly the best zerg in the world title goes to huk who managed to beat MC while idra gg'ed against forsen and not gg'ed against kas who certainly is the cheeser and loves to allin as much as Puma who only does 1-1-1 against zergs and elfi, who used abusive builds with no success during the asus rog against jp.

I'm sure about that.

This confused me the most about your post @_@
MC: "Sentry Forcefield Forcefield Marauder... cage Marauder die die"
Otori
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden164 Posts
November 26 2011 16:23 GMT
#2747
Wish naniwa had Ret's path on that bracket =/ Ret had by far the easiest way to semi finals..
SPQR13
Profile Joined June 2011
181 Posts
November 26 2011 16:23 GMT
#2748
On November 27 2011 01:14 Elem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 01:13 razy wrote:
On November 27 2011 01:01 ceaRshaf wrote:
On November 27 2011 00:33 McFeser wrote:
As much as everyone wants HerO to win, if Ret wins against him he'll take the tournament. Ret is really underrated and wouldn't have any trouble defeating Puma.


So you think Red is better than DRG if you say he will have no problem vs PuMa. Is that what you are sayin?


if ret wins puma, the guy who's beaten DRG, the best zerg, cause he's beaten MVP who won against nestea (who artosis believed was the best zerg) then certainly the best zerg in the world title goes to huk who managed to beat MC while idra gg'ed against forsen and not gg'ed against kas who certainly is the cheeser and loves to allin as much as Puma who only does 1-1-1 against zergs and elfi, who used abusive builds with no success during the asus rog against jp.

I'm sure about that.
I'm not sure if this is mindblowingly funny or mindblowingly stupid. ;;


Mindblowingly accurate description of a TL live report thread
jazzbassmatt
Profile Joined August 2010
United States566 Posts
November 26 2011 16:23 GMT
#2749
On November 27 2011 01:13 razy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 01:01 ceaRshaf wrote:
On November 27 2011 00:33 McFeser wrote:
As much as everyone wants HerO to win, if Ret wins against him he'll take the tournament. Ret is really underrated and wouldn't have any trouble defeating Puma.


So you think Red is better than DRG if you say he will have no problem vs PuMa. Is that what you are sayin?


if ret wins puma, the guy who's beaten DRG, the best zerg, cause he's beaten MVP who won against nestea (who artosis believed was the best zerg) then certainly the best zerg in the world title goes to huk who managed to beat MC while idra gg'ed against forsen and not gg'ed against kas who certainly is the cheeser and loves to allin as much as Puma who only does 1-1-1 against zergs and elfi, who used abusive builds with no success during the asus rog against jp.

I'm sure about that.


My thoughts exactly!
sodapop
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden189 Posts
November 26 2011 16:24 GMT
#2750
Don't miss out on SVT coverage at http://svtplay.se/v/2616886/e-sport/dreamhack_ultimate
Pretty interesting so far (mostly in swedish). But nice interviews.
Linwelin
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland7554 Posts
November 26 2011 16:24 GMT
#2751
On November 27 2011 01:13 razy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2011 01:01 ceaRshaf wrote:
On November 27 2011 00:33 McFeser wrote:
As much as everyone wants HerO to win, if Ret wins against him he'll take the tournament. Ret is really underrated and wouldn't have any trouble defeating Puma.


So you think Red is better than DRG if you say he will have no problem vs PuMa. Is that what you are sayin?


if ret wins puma, the guy who's beaten DRG, the best zerg, cause he's beaten MVP who won against nestea (who artosis believed was the best zerg) then certainly the best zerg in the world title goes to huk who managed to beat MC while idra gg'ed against forsen and not gg'ed against kas who certainly is the cheeser and loves to allin as much as Puma who only does 1-1-1 against zergs and elfi, who used abusive builds with no success during the asus rog against jp.

I'm sure about that.


Amazing post. Thank you
Fuck Razor and Death Prophet
Egyptian_Head
Profile Joined October 2010
South Africa508 Posts
November 26 2011 16:25 GMT
#2752
I don't know why you guys are talking about puma in the finals, nightends got this.
Skyline026
Profile Joined September 2011
Netherlands1129 Posts
November 26 2011 16:26 GMT
#2753
On November 27 2011 01:23 Otori wrote:
Wish naniwa had Ret's path on that bracket =/ Ret had by far the easiest way to semi finals..



Beating nerchio in a zvz is not easy. Tod is also pretty good.

Nani's play was pretty sloppy this DH.
Liquid'Ret - Mana - Liquid'Dota fighting!
Ph4ZeD
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom753 Posts
November 26 2011 16:26 GMT
#2754
SO want Hero to win.
Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
November 26 2011 16:27 GMT
#2755
Okay, so matches start in 30 minutes?
Blueblister
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden321 Posts
November 26 2011 16:27 GMT
#2756
On November 26 2011 23:57 Maenander wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 23:53 Taktik wrote:
Nerchio got better record in ZvZ than Ret so NA guys just bealieve us this is a SMALL upset k? Ret might attend MLGs and get hyped by casters every time but Im pretty sure that if they would play like BO11 Nerchio would win the series.

Stephano thinks Ret is better than Nerchio in ZvZ. Nerchio won in Berlin though.

I think Nerchio is better than Ret. Given the elo difference 2265 vs 2084 Ret's chances of winning was under 20%, thats a pretty large upset.
Rikke
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany302 Posts
November 26 2011 16:27 GMT
#2757
HEJA BVB HEJA BVB HEJA HEJA HEJA BVB!

btw go PuMa :p
-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
November 26 2011 16:28 GMT
#2758
When is the next game :p?
absalom86
Profile Joined April 2010
Iceland1770 Posts
November 26 2011 16:28 GMT
#2759
On November 27 2011 00:42 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Why is Nightend's NASL application video interview taken down? I wanted to show you who the true "cute toss" is.
Oh well, you can have this one instead:



On his first bracket game against SaSe: "2-0 to him or 2-0 to me".
"Seiplo HuK is 50/50"


Awesome interview, good to see Nightend getting some attention. Heliumtoss ftw !
Thief @ #teamliquid @ Quakenet
Bro_Stone
Profile Joined April 2011
United States510 Posts
November 26 2011 16:29 GMT
#2760
Next game should start about now right?
Stim Go Go GO!
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