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WhiteRa plays X-0 in groups so often but always he fails miserably in K.O.-Round :S I hope he gets far this time =)
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anyone know what time the other groups are playing? dont finihs work till 5 UK time, and I want to watch 
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On November 24 2011 21:31 february wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2011 21:28 KinQuh wrote:On November 24 2011 21:27 february wrote:On November 24 2011 21:23 Phenrock wrote:
Let me make a comparison with other sports such as football (soccer). There are teams that play negatively too. It's a legitimate tactic, so if a team wants to only defend and then counter attack, it's their choice to do so. Much the same with Goody. It's not entertaining for some, can be entertaining for others.
The point is to win.
Unless you make extra rules to promote more aggresive play, you can't fault what Goody is doing. If you don't like Goody's play, simply don't watch, there are plenty of other games on.
With regards to better players, well that's down to the players. If Goody really isn't that good of a player, why does he keep winning then? We're no where near the perfect player yet, and I'm not sure if we'll get one anytime soon. He'll win with poor strategies as long as the metagame allows. I don't believe he has the ability to become a top-level progamer by committing himself so heavily to one style because his handspeed limits him so heavily. Has he really won anything against the best there is? Yeah, if he proves me wrong, great, I look forward to his games. But I think it's more likely that his rote macro turtle style sees him fall off the scene completely. I dont believe you have clue what you are talking about.If you are saying that GoOdy is bad then what NA is? Because you have like Slush and incontrol that are hanging in MLG without winning a game. Slush is a very flexible player and has put up decent results in competition. Incontrol has struggled for a very long time. My point is that players are going to have to get better or they will be left behind by more talented players. I don't think Goody is a talented player given the way he has played for over a year. I don't know why this is difficult to understand.
It's not difficult to understand. Actually I'm pretty sure everybody here knew that already. But your first post
I don't mean to be a dick, but players like really Goody need to get better or just fade away. The fact that he was able to stay in the game that long with absolutely zero thought or talent is devaluating SC2 progaming as a whole. Players like that should not exist after a year of really impressive SC2 development and we should expect more from progamers at this point.
didn't sound like "He will fade away in future" but more like "He should be gone right now and never come back. He's hurting ESPORTS".
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That big drop just put Thorzain back in. Select was doing great all this game up until that point.
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lol wtf...he had units there wow, that's a ton of damage don't think SeleCT can win this
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lol...1 drop..gg long live marine tank medivacs
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On November 24 2011 21:35 Surriel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2011 21:27 february wrote:On November 24 2011 21:23 Phenrock wrote:
Let me make a comparison with other sports such as football (soccer). There are teams that play negatively too. It's a legitimate tactic, so if a team wants to only defend and then counter attack, it's their choice to do so. Much the same with Goody. It's not entertaining for some, can be entertaining for others.
The point is to win.
Unless you make extra rules to promote more aggresive play, you can't fault what Goody is doing. If you don't like Goody's play, simply don't watch, there are plenty of other games on.
With regards to better players, well that's down to the players. If Goody really isn't that good of a player, why does he keep winning then? We're no where near the perfect player yet, and I'm not sure if we'll get one anytime soon. He'll win with poor strategies as long as the metagame allows. I don't believe he has the ability to become a top-level progamer by committing himself so heavily to one style because his handspeed limits him so heavily. Has he really won anything against the best there is? Yeah, if he proves me wrong, great, I look forward to his games. But I think it's more likely that his rote macro turtle style sees him fall off the scene completely. You are extremely unfair in your assessment. Aside from say Naniwa and Huk, who has won against the best there is (Nestea, MVP)? Maybe DRG and Stephano in this competition, are you going to say the rest of the participants are terrible too? You say Goody has played the same style over a year, yet he is still have great success with it, aside from TvP where meching is terrible. But that is probably going to change comes HoTS. If anything I think Goody will have more success in it. “I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times.” Bruce Lee.
What great success has he acheieved? He certainly isn't in the top 10 of European progamers. He is limited to a single style because of his speed, by his own admission. How does an ever improving metagame or an expansion suggest that he'll be better in the future? I really can't imagine him breaking out as a top terran, and his style will eventually become hilarious as progamers get better and better.
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On November 24 2011 21:31 february wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2011 21:28 KinQuh wrote:On November 24 2011 21:27 february wrote:On November 24 2011 21:23 Phenrock wrote:
Let me make a comparison with other sports such as football (soccer). There are teams that play negatively too. It's a legitimate tactic, so if a team wants to only defend and then counter attack, it's their choice to do so. Much the same with Goody. It's not entertaining for some, can be entertaining for others.
The point is to win.
Unless you make extra rules to promote more aggresive play, you can't fault what Goody is doing. If you don't like Goody's play, simply don't watch, there are plenty of other games on.
With regards to better players, well that's down to the players. If Goody really isn't that good of a player, why does he keep winning then? We're no where near the perfect player yet, and I'm not sure if we'll get one anytime soon. He'll win with poor strategies as long as the metagame allows. I don't believe he has the ability to become a top-level progamer by committing himself so heavily to one style because his handspeed limits him so heavily. Has he really won anything against the best there is? Yeah, if he proves me wrong, great, I look forward to his games. But I think it's more likely that his rote macro turtle style sees him fall off the scene completely. I dont believe you have clue what you are talking about.If you are saying that GoOdy is bad then what NA is? Because you have like Slush and incontrol that are hanging in MLG without winning a game. Slush is a very flexible player and has put up decent results in competition. Incontrol has struggled for a very long time. My point is that players are going to have to get better or they will be left behind by more talented players. I don't think Goody is a talented player given the way he has played for over a year. I don't know why this is difficult to understand.
You're absolutely right! Goody has to improve, just like everyone else to be able to compete! If you play one style then players can counter you easily. Just that the counter against Goody is very tough and frustrating.
And it seems he has been found out at this Dreamhack, as he has lost all his games!
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On November 24 2011 21:39 Tommylew wrote:anyone know what time the other groups are playing? dont finihs work till 5 UK time, and I want to watch
If readmore.de is right there are 3 more sets of groups at 2pm, 5:30pm and 9:30pm CET.
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On November 24 2011 21:39 DoubleB wrote:
WhiteRa plays X-0 in groups so often but always he fails miserably in K.O.-Round :S I hope he gets far this time =)
At least it's group play up until ro16 so he's got decent chance to go far then. 
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What a terrible decision from SeleCT
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Good job Select, way to kill yourself.
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First photos from DreamHack 2011!
Day 0
Day 1 - updating!
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On November 24 2011 21:32 Terminal wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2011 21:29 defteH wrote:On November 24 2011 21:28 Terminal wrote:
Tasteless looks shattered. Poor guy Dudes got an eye infection! Should have read the thread bro! Or should have just let you tell me. Thanks buddy dude bro guy.
You're welcome my fellow countryman. Probably should have said chap, just to be awkward.
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Why doesn't thorzain just take his marines and go to select's 3rd
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On November 24 2011 21:39 SinTio wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2011 21:31 february wrote:On November 24 2011 21:28 KinQuh wrote:On November 24 2011 21:27 february wrote:On November 24 2011 21:23 Phenrock wrote:
Let me make a comparison with other sports such as football (soccer). There are teams that play negatively too. It's a legitimate tactic, so if a team wants to only defend and then counter attack, it's their choice to do so. Much the same with Goody. It's not entertaining for some, can be entertaining for others.
The point is to win.
Unless you make extra rules to promote more aggresive play, you can't fault what Goody is doing. If you don't like Goody's play, simply don't watch, there are plenty of other games on.
With regards to better players, well that's down to the players. If Goody really isn't that good of a player, why does he keep winning then? We're no where near the perfect player yet, and I'm not sure if we'll get one anytime soon. He'll win with poor strategies as long as the metagame allows. I don't believe he has the ability to become a top-level progamer by committing himself so heavily to one style because his handspeed limits him so heavily. Has he really won anything against the best there is? Yeah, if he proves me wrong, great, I look forward to his games. But I think it's more likely that his rote macro turtle style sees him fall off the scene completely. I dont believe you have clue what you are talking about.If you are saying that GoOdy is bad then what NA is? Because you have like Slush and incontrol that are hanging in MLG without winning a game. Slush is a very flexible player and has put up decent results in competition. Incontrol has struggled for a very long time. My point is that players are going to have to get better or they will be left behind by more talented players. I don't think Goody is a talented player given the way he has played for over a year. I don't know why this is difficult to understand. It's not difficult to understand. Actually I'm pretty sure everybody here knew that already. But your first post Show nested quote +I don't mean to be a dick, but players like really Goody need to get better or just fade away. The fact that he was able to stay in the game that long with absolutely zero thought or talent is devaluating SC2 progaming as a whole. Players like that should not exist after a year of really impressive SC2 development and we should expect more from progamers at this point. didn't sound like "He will fade away in future" but more like "He should be gone right now and never come back. He's hurting ESPORTS".
Yeah, a bit extreme. But after seeing such great games at MLG and other tournaments I've been really excited about SC2's development. And then I have to watch a ridiculous hour long game between him and Mana where he effectively dead at the 20 minute mark. I don't think that kind of shit should be casted by the best in the business as a top level game of Starcraft 2, you know?
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On November 24 2011 21:45 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Why doesn't thorzain just take his marines and go to select's 3rd
That wouldn't be spoonish enough for him.
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On November 24 2011 21:40 february wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2011 21:35 Surriel wrote:On November 24 2011 21:27 february wrote:On November 24 2011 21:23 Phenrock wrote:
Let me make a comparison with other sports such as football (soccer). There are teams that play negatively too. It's a legitimate tactic, so if a team wants to only defend and then counter attack, it's their choice to do so. Much the same with Goody. It's not entertaining for some, can be entertaining for others.
The point is to win.
Unless you make extra rules to promote more aggresive play, you can't fault what Goody is doing. If you don't like Goody's play, simply don't watch, there are plenty of other games on.
With regards to better players, well that's down to the players. If Goody really isn't that good of a player, why does he keep winning then? We're no where near the perfect player yet, and I'm not sure if we'll get one anytime soon. He'll win with poor strategies as long as the metagame allows. I don't believe he has the ability to become a top-level progamer by committing himself so heavily to one style because his handspeed limits him so heavily. Has he really won anything against the best there is? Yeah, if he proves me wrong, great, I look forward to his games. But I think it's more likely that his rote macro turtle style sees him fall off the scene completely. You are extremely unfair in your assessment. Aside from say Naniwa and Huk, who has won against the best there is (Nestea, MVP)? Maybe DRG and Stephano in this competition, are you going to say the rest of the participants are terrible too? You say Goody has played the same style over a year, yet he is still have great success with it, aside from TvP where meching is terrible. But that is probably going to change comes HoTS. If anything I think Goody will have more success in it. “I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times.” Bruce Lee. What great success has he acheieved? He certainly isn't in the top 10 of European progamers. He is limited to a single style because of his speed, by his own admission. How does an ever improving metagame or an expansion suggest that he'll be better in the future? I really can't imagine him breaking out as a top terran, and his style will eventually become hilarious as progamers get better and better.
idk why GoOdy pisses you off so much, he's manner and always does consistently well in tournaments he enters, as well as makes a fair amount of money in online cups against the best players in europe. if skill is relative to time the game's been out, why isn't he hilarious now. comparatively, if he is really bad, he should be losing.
not many people can beat nestea or stephano, and claiming he's not a naniwa or a huk is a retarded scale to judge players on, as only an elite few can take major tournaments they enter consistently
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Select's game is so off...the only advantage he gained by the attack at the PF was that he took the scv lead...2min later Thorzain has the scv lead again because Select failed to keep his scv production =/
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