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On November 24 2011 21:09 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2011 21:07 HappyChris wrote:On November 24 2011 21:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Why is thorzain floating so much the entire game... Becuase Select keept killing his refineries. He was seriously lacking gas He was never lacking gas dude.
really ? becuase he had 2k minerals and 0 gas what do you wanna call that?
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On November 24 2011 21:11 Macabre wrote:
Baby penis.
Welp.
Its not that small anymore! 
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TASTELESS HAS AN INFECTION AND IS SICK
tired of these tasteless is tired posts
gogo select <3
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On November 24 2011 21:11 HappyChris wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2011 21:09 Itsmedudeman wrote:On November 24 2011 21:07 HappyChris wrote:On November 24 2011 21:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Why is thorzain floating so much the entire game... Becuase Select keept killing his refineries. He was seriously lacking gas He was never lacking gas dude. really ? becuase he had 2k minerals and 0 gas what do you wanna call that?
A lack of Marines? 
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Wow @ the Dreamhack schedule -- seriously, all of these casters are going to have to be casting for 14 hours today, with hardly any long breaks. I hope they got enough sleep.
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Tastosis keep repeating that Mech > Bio.
Bio > Mech if you are MMA.
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On November 24 2011 21:09 poorcloud wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2011 21:08 february wrote:On November 24 2011 20:54 Velr wrote:On November 24 2011 20:49 february wrote:On November 24 2011 20:46 bgx wrote:On November 24 2011 20:41 february wrote:On November 24 2011 20:37 bgx wrote:On November 24 2011 20:36 february wrote:On November 24 2011 20:33 KinQuh wrote:On November 24 2011 20:32 february wrote:
I don't mean to be a dick, but players like really Goody need to get better or just fade away. The fact that he was able to stay in the game that long with absolutely zero thought or talent is devaluating SC2 progaming as a whole. Players like that should not exist after a year of really impressive SC2 development and we should expect more from progamers at this point. So 80% on NA has to fade away? Beating up on random players on ladder means nothing. We have to hold progamers to a certain standard at this point. Amazing players like Hero and Huk and Idra and countless others are amazing talents and the fact that Goody can continue to play with the same build in every matchup with such low speed and flexibility is simply unacceptable for a progamer. He'll either adapt to the game or (most likely) simply fade from the scene, play like that shouldn't exist at this point in SC2 competition. same was said 1 year ago Yeah, when people were still clueless about how the game is supposed to be played. Goody has shown absolutely no flexibility in his game and if he continues to play this absurdly stupid style all the time he will be left behind. And I really hope that happens soon, such ridiculous, unentertaining games don't deserve to be casted. depends how high you set the bar, if i said that i want to see real progamers and all that shit all current progamers should retire, because their mechanics "suck", by foreigner standards goody will be relevant for years(if the current game balance stays). Not true, we've seen massive improvement in SC2 progaming. There are plenty of players who are constantly pushing the bar with their multitasking, build orders and tactics. SC2 is finally getting exciting with real progamers facing off against each other at the highest levels of competition. Players like Goody need to improve or just die off, there is no room for mediocrity in SC2 anymore. After seeing Idra vs Nestea at MLG i actually wondered if SC2 should even be an E-Sport. Both players played a BO (with mistakes) until one guy overcomitted on his BO-Advantage and then lost. If progamers are doing shit like this, they should not be progamers (and most likely would not be in SC/BW, at least they would not be on TV for more than 1-2 games ).. Naniwa vs Nestea wasn't much better... One game was decided by Nestea playing blind and the final game just stupid.. There is tons of room in SC2 for mediocrity. The very best players often show TERRIBLE decisions. Goodys playstile/gameplan seems to exploit exactly that: Set defense up --> Let stupid opponent charge head on into it --> Counter --> Profit. I agree, there is tons of room for improvement. Two years from now the games people are playing now will look silly. But really? Guys like Goody have proven nothing compared to the top level progamers. They exist at the fringe of real competition and rely on terrible builds. If he doesn't improve the game will leave him behind, and seeing him have this level of success a year into SC2 is really frustrating to me, especially when his games are being casted by the best of the best for our entertainment. Agreed. Players like whitera are able to do well right now due to their decision making and RTS sense. When the general mechanics + game strategic level increase, its hard to see whitera doing well due to his pretty poor mechanics relative to pro level.
But at least he has great builds and great control to catch his opponents off guard. That type of play will always be effective, just look at Boxer. Doing the same build every single game and sitting in your base is almost a guarantee that you'll have a shortlived career in starcraft progaming.
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On November 24 2011 21:08 february wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2011 20:54 Velr wrote:On November 24 2011 20:49 february wrote:On November 24 2011 20:46 bgx wrote:On November 24 2011 20:41 february wrote:On November 24 2011 20:37 bgx wrote:On November 24 2011 20:36 february wrote:On November 24 2011 20:33 KinQuh wrote:On November 24 2011 20:32 february wrote:
I don't mean to be a dick, but players like really Goody need to get better or just fade away. The fact that he was able to stay in the game that long with absolutely zero thought or talent is devaluating SC2 progaming as a whole. Players like that should not exist after a year of really impressive SC2 development and we should expect more from progamers at this point. So 80% on NA has to fade away? Beating up on random players on ladder means nothing. We have to hold progamers to a certain standard at this point. Amazing players like Hero and Huk and Idra and countless others are amazing talents and the fact that Goody can continue to play with the same build in every matchup with such low speed and flexibility is simply unacceptable for a progamer. He'll either adapt to the game or (most likely) simply fade from the scene, play like that shouldn't exist at this point in SC2 competition. same was said 1 year ago Yeah, when people were still clueless about how the game is supposed to be played. Goody has shown absolutely no flexibility in his game and if he continues to play this absurdly stupid style all the time he will be left behind. And I really hope that happens soon, such ridiculous, unentertaining games don't deserve to be casted. depends how high you set the bar, if i said that i want to see real progamers and all that shit all current progamers should retire, because their mechanics "suck", by foreigner standards goody will be relevant for years(if the current game balance stays). Not true, we've seen massive improvement in SC2 progaming. There are plenty of players who are constantly pushing the bar with their multitasking, build orders and tactics. SC2 is finally getting exciting with real progamers facing off against each other at the highest levels of competition. Players like Goody need to improve or just die off, there is no room for mediocrity in SC2 anymore. After seeing Idra vs Nestea at MLG i actually wondered if SC2 should even be an E-Sport. Both players played a BO (with mistakes) until one guy overcomitted on his BO-Advantage and then lost. If progamers are doing shit like this, they should not be progamers (and most likely would not be in SC/BW, at least they would not be on TV for more than 1-2 games ).. Naniwa vs Nestea wasn't much better... One game was decided by Nestea playing blind and the final game just stupid.. There is tons of room in SC2 for mediocrity. The very best players often show TERRIBLE decisions. Goodys playstile/gameplan seems to exploit exactly that: Set defense up --> Let stupid opponent charge head on into it --> Counter --> Profit. I agree, there is tons of room for improvement. Two years from now the games people are playing now will look silly. But really? Guys like Goody have proven nothing compared to the top level progamers. They exist at the fringe of real competition and rely on terrible builds. If he doesn't improve the game will leave him behind, and seeing him have this level of success a year into SC2 is really frustrating to me, especially when his games are being casted by the best of the best for our entertainment.
You seem really critical of Goody for some reasons, probably because of his turtle games vs Mana. That is in no way a good representation of what Goody is capable of, but just how terrible meching is v Protoss that leads to passive games. Goody TvT and TvZ are a lot better and he relies a lot more on game sense than mechanics to win games.
You think its frustrating how Goody have so much success and I think how amazing it is for him to pull off those success despite his weaker mechanics and rely more on critical thinking. In a way, he is a lot easier for me to relate to than other pro gamers, and he receives a lot more flak than he deserves.
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On November 24 2011 21:13 s3183529 wrote:
Tastosis keep repeating that Mech > Bio.
Bio > Mech if you are MMA.
MMA knows that at 200 food, Bio is weaker. But you can transition into Viking + BC faster. That's how he was punishing MVP.
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can't wait for idra vs kas
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On November 24 2011 21:11 HappyChris wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2011 21:09 Itsmedudeman wrote:On November 24 2011 21:07 HappyChris wrote:On November 24 2011 21:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Why is thorzain floating so much the entire game... Becuase Select keept killing his refineries. He was seriously lacking gas He was never lacking gas dude. really ? becuase he had 2k minerals and 0 gas what do you wanna call that?
He was at like 2k/2k, and then like 3k/1k at the end. I don't know what game you were watching.
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On November 24 2011 21:13 s3183529 wrote:
Tastosis keep repeating that Mech > Bio.
Bio > Mech if you are MMA.
MMA makes siege tanks.
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On November 24 2011 21:15 AxionSteel wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2011 21:13 s3183529 wrote:
Tastosis keep repeating that Mech > Bio.
Bio > Mech if you are MMA. MMA makes siege tanks.
Yeah, MMA goes early bio into siege tanks viking bio BCs.
Just watch his finals games, a very effective style i must say.
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On November 24 2011 21:13 february wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2011 21:09 poorcloud wrote:On November 24 2011 21:08 february wrote:On November 24 2011 20:54 Velr wrote:On November 24 2011 20:49 february wrote:On November 24 2011 20:46 bgx wrote:On November 24 2011 20:41 february wrote:On November 24 2011 20:37 bgx wrote:On November 24 2011 20:36 february wrote:On November 24 2011 20:33 KinQuh wrote:
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So 80% on NA has to fade away? Beating up on random players on ladder means nothing. We have to hold progamers to a certain standard at this point. Amazing players like Hero and Huk and Idra and countless others are amazing talents and the fact that Goody can continue to play with the same build in every matchup with such low speed and flexibility is simply unacceptable for a progamer. He'll either adapt to the game or (most likely) simply fade from the scene, play like that shouldn't exist at this point in SC2 competition. same was said 1 year ago Yeah, when people were still clueless about how the game is supposed to be played. Goody has shown absolutely no flexibility in his game and if he continues to play this absurdly stupid style all the time he will be left behind. And I really hope that happens soon, such ridiculous, unentertaining games don't deserve to be casted. depends how high you set the bar, if i said that i want to see real progamers and all that shit all current progamers should retire, because their mechanics "suck", by foreigner standards goody will be relevant for years(if the current game balance stays). Not true, we've seen massive improvement in SC2 progaming. There are plenty of players who are constantly pushing the bar with their multitasking, build orders and tactics. SC2 is finally getting exciting with real progamers facing off against each other at the highest levels of competition. Players like Goody need to improve or just die off, there is no room for mediocrity in SC2 anymore. After seeing Idra vs Nestea at MLG i actually wondered if SC2 should even be an E-Sport. Both players played a BO (with mistakes) until one guy overcomitted on his BO-Advantage and then lost. If progamers are doing shit like this, they should not be progamers (and most likely would not be in SC/BW, at least they would not be on TV for more than 1-2 games ).. Naniwa vs Nestea wasn't much better... One game was decided by Nestea playing blind and the final game just stupid.. There is tons of room in SC2 for mediocrity. The very best players often show TERRIBLE decisions. Goodys playstile/gameplan seems to exploit exactly that: Set defense up --> Let stupid opponent charge head on into it --> Counter --> Profit. I agree, there is tons of room for improvement. Two years from now the games people are playing now will look silly. But really? Guys like Goody have proven nothing compared to the top level progamers. They exist at the fringe of real competition and rely on terrible builds. If he doesn't improve the game will leave him behind, and seeing him have this level of success a year into SC2 is really frustrating to me, especially when his games are being casted by the best of the best for our entertainment. Agreed. Players like whitera are able to do well right now due to their decision making and RTS sense. When the general mechanics + game strategic level increase, its hard to see whitera doing well due to his pretty poor mechanics relative to pro level. But at least he has great builds and great control to catch his opponents off guard. That type of play will always be effective, just look at Boxer. Doing the same build every single game and sitting in your base is almost a guarantee that you'll have a shortlived career in starcraft progaming.
White-Ra did well in Broodwar, so no, he won't fall off, only if the skill everywhere raises to Korean standards.
Not to forget White-Ras infinite experience, offline tournament white-ra is like a 90% complete different white-ra than online.
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Every korean knows they need to go bio/bio mech a few games. There's a lot of people who go bio only, but there's no one I can think of that only goes mech.
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Nice timing by the spoon with the medivacs.
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I wish I could be at DH this year, stupid classes...
HayprO fighting!
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On November 24 2011 21:07 AntiGrav1ty wrote:
3 free high quality streams with high quality casters. Cant praise Dreamhack enough.
cannot agree more, too bad my connection only support 2*480 + 1*360 ^^
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On November 24 2011 21:15 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2011 21:11 HappyChris wrote:On November 24 2011 21:09 Itsmedudeman wrote:On November 24 2011 21:07 HappyChris wrote:On November 24 2011 21:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Why is thorzain floating so much the entire game... Becuase Select keept killing his refineries. He was seriously lacking gas He was never lacking gas dude. really ? becuase he had 2k minerals and 0 gas what do you wanna call that? He was at like 2k/2k, and then like 3k/1k at the end. I don't know what game you were watching.
He was pretty dry for a while. Move on now guys, we got plenty of more games to bitch about. :p
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Both forgetting to macro again. Thorzain really needs to break that contain. He should have done it when there was only 1 tank that could be easily picked off.
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