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On November 25 2011 02:37 ffadicted wrote:
Wtf why would you put the results of Mvp vs. sC inside the overall results of Leenock vs. aLive? I didn't want to watch Leenock series but was looking forward to Mvp vs. sC, but spoiled hard -.-
Can't believe sC got 3-0'ed, even by Mvp ;-;
 . At least spoil the Ro4.
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On November 25 2011 02:37 ffadicted wrote:
Wtf why would you put the results of Mvp vs. sC inside the overall results of Leenock vs. aLive? I didn't want to watch Leenock series but was looking forward to Mvp vs. sC, but spoiled hard -.-
Can't believe sC got 3-0'ed, even by Mvp ;-;
gotta agree with this guy even though i watched both series.
if i hadn't, i'd be pretty pissed, OP.
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So funny how people don't think MVP mechanics are "good" his a world class player in every way his not one dimensional like most players these days the reason why his the best in the world is because his skill sets in different areas and more elite then those of other calibers his on a different level then most just because he didn't win mlg ppl think other wise his a 3 time gsl champion blizzcon champion mlg champion who's better then him? No one
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if we count stuff like taking all necessary precautions in scouting or defensive fundamentals then mvp is certainly the best mechanical player because he does all the little routine things as you are required to for an A class bw terran. many of these details are just accumulated game knowledge through teh ages produced by former and current greats and incorporated into teh optimal training routine. if you take any A class terran from bw he is pretty much going to have those fundamental skills as well, since terran play in bw is just highly timing and positional intensive.
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On November 25 2011 04:45 GinDo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2011 04:14 Fission wrote:On November 25 2011 03:54 Talack wrote:On November 25 2011 01:26 TheSubtleArt wrote:On November 24 2011 23:24 Poopi wrote:On November 24 2011 23:23 alpsi wrote:On November 24 2011 23:09 Poopi wrote:
Games went as expected. I am a bit sad for aLive who got pretty terrible maps but gomtv wants to get rid of terrans :s.
Mvp will beat Leenock easily and Jjakji can beat Mvp, it will be interesting mvp beat leenock easily? dont think so Why not? He and MarineKing practice a lot together, and MKP has Leenock's number... Leenock beat MVP at MLG.... Leenock never beat "MVP" at MLG, "MVP" was not at MLG Yes he was. He's being sarcastic. What he's saying is that MVP wasn't in his best shape. Or making a joke of how the real MVP wasn't at MLG. *facepalm*
Jesus some people are not that quick. How could people not pick up on that : /
Next time i'll bold it, italisize it and add in extra quotations. Perhaps even a spoiler explaining the concept to.
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saying MVPs mechanics are not good is like saying Beckhams freekicks are not good.
hater will hate
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This was expected.... mvp wins another gsl ... did he drop a game yet?
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On November 25 2011 05:46 aintz wrote:
saying MVPs mechanics are not good is like saying Beckhams freekicks are not good.
hater will hate
i never said they aren't good lol.. ur totally taking my comment out of context. I said they aren't the BEST. He is the BEST player but his mechanics are just really good.
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On November 25 2011 02:37 YoiChiBow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2011 01:59 Nick_54 wrote:On November 25 2011 01:40 FXOpen wrote:On November 25 2011 01:35 kineticSYN wrote:On November 25 2011 01:31 FXOpen wrote:kineticSYN United States. November 25 2011 01:29. Posts 558 PM Profile Report Quote # people are overhyping leenocks 2-0 win vs mvp lmao they were both tired, yet mvp played so many broadcasted games back to back, leenock did have a bit of a breather and in the end, regardless of fatigue, leenock played the better series, and mvp made mistakes let's not kid ourselves, mvp played like a chump in their series, and that is not his usual level of play when the semi's rolls around and mvp crushes poor leenock, i wonder if all these comments will disappear. but leenock is great, so we can only wait and see! IMMvp #1  nuff said. I think its a 50/50 match leenock vs MvP... But I have inside information lmao "FXOpen" it's cool to be proud of your psuedo team players, but until someone proves otherwise, MVP being #1 is no joke or opinion.  MVP is rank number 1 in the world at the moment....But there are plenty of up and comers, and I am not talking about FXO only.. I am an MVP fan.. Maybe not quite as much as you.. NESTEA has proven in the past (which is what your opinion based on) that he is also as good as if not better than MVP.. But hey, I am just proud of a pseudo team... Nestea is not close to MVP's level. Correct me if I'm wrong, but has Nestea ever beaten MVP when it counted? MVP knocked him out of 3 GSL's and beat him in the Blizzcon finals. MVP has no peer as far as the long term history of this game is concerned or current skill level. MVP has the best mechanics in the game right now because of his high level in broodwar as well as the best strategies and builds. He also has the best preparation for a best of 5 in my opinion. I really think MVP will 3-0 and I'll be surprised if Leenock wins 2 games let alone the series. Thats not a slight to Leenock, but I really can't see him beating MVP. I've been wrong before tho. MVP actually doesn't have the best mechanics in the game. That's just you being biased because he's a champion. Mechanics are definitely not his strength. Yes he has very good mechanics but I would definitely say Bomber has better macro, etc. MVP excels in his build selection (strategy) and decision making. His preparation for games also is absolutely amazing.
Whether or not MVP has the best mechanics in SC2 is debatable, but either way, they're top 3 for sure. I'd say ForGG has better mechanics: being harassed on multiple fronts, yet continues to make SCV's and pump units non-stop? Never seen any other Terran do that on a consistent basis.
Yes, Bomber's macro, at his best, seems to outshine MVP's best showing of macro. MKP/sC/Taeja's micro, at their best, are better than what I've seen from MVP's. MMA's multitasking, at his best, at least *seems* to be slightly better than MVP's (at this point, I'm not sure anymore). However, MVP is, without a doubt, top 5 in T micro, top 3 in T macro, and top 2 in T multitasking. That, in my eyes, makes him one of the top 2-3 best mechanical players in SC2 on the planet. In other words, not as good as ForGG, but still better than almost every other progamer.
Once/if the best A-teamers switch over though...it'll be a much different story.
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On November 25 2011 05:55 Qaatar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2011 02:37 YoiChiBow wrote:On November 25 2011 01:59 Nick_54 wrote:On November 25 2011 01:40 FXOpen wrote:On November 25 2011 01:35 kineticSYN wrote:On November 25 2011 01:31 FXOpen wrote:kineticSYN United States. November 25 2011 01:29. Posts 558 PM Profile Report Quote # people are overhyping leenocks 2-0 win vs mvp lmao they were both tired, yet mvp played so many broadcasted games back to back, leenock did have a bit of a breather and in the end, regardless of fatigue, leenock played the better series, and mvp made mistakes let's not kid ourselves, mvp played like a chump in their series, and that is not his usual level of play when the semi's rolls around and mvp crushes poor leenock, i wonder if all these comments will disappear. but leenock is great, so we can only wait and see! IMMvp #1 nuff said. I think its a 50/50 match leenock vs MvP... But I have inside information lmao "FXOpen" it's cool to be proud of your psuedo team players, but until someone proves otherwise, MVP being #1 is no joke or opinion. MVP is rank number 1 in the world at the moment....But there are plenty of up and comers, and I am not talking about FXO only.. I am an MVP fan.. Maybe not quite as much as you.. NESTEA has proven in the past (which is what your opinion based on) that he is also as good as if not better than MVP.. But hey, I am just proud of a pseudo team... Nestea is not close to MVP's level. Correct me if I'm wrong, but has Nestea ever beaten MVP when it counted? MVP knocked him out of 3 GSL's and beat him in the Blizzcon finals. MVP has no peer as far as the long term history of this game is concerned or current skill level. MVP has the best mechanics in the game right now because of his high level in broodwar as well as the best strategies and builds. He also has the best preparation for a best of 5 in my opinion. I really think MVP will 3-0 and I'll be surprised if Leenock wins 2 games let alone the series. Thats not a slight to Leenock, but I really can't see him beating MVP. I've been wrong before tho. MVP actually doesn't have the best mechanics in the game. That's just you being biased because he's a champion. Mechanics are definitely not his strength. Yes he has very good mechanics but I would definitely say Bomber has better macro, etc. MVP excels in his build selection (strategy) and decision making. His preparation for games also is absolutely amazing. Whether or not MVP has the best mechanics in SC2 is debatable, but either way, they're top 3 for sure. I'd say ForGG has better mechanics: being harassed on multiple fronts, yet continues to make SCV's and pump units non-stop? Never seen any other Terran do that on a consistent basis. Yes, Bomber's macro, at his best, seems to outshine MVP's best showing of macro. MKP/sC/Taeja's micro, at their best, are better than what I've seen from MVP's. MMA's multitasking, at his best, at least *seems* to be slightly better than MVP's (at this point, I'm not sure anymore). However, MVP is, without a doubt, top 5 in T micro, top 3 in T macro, and top 2 in T multitasking. That, in my eyes, makes him one of the top 2-3 best mechanical players in SC2 on the planet. In other words, not as good as ForGG, but still better than almost every other progamer. Once/if the best A-teamers switch over though...it'll be a much different story.
Where are you seeing all this ForGG? Saw a few games of his and it wasn't all that amazing. MVP and Bomber have very similar macro. Watch some of their more recent TvTs vs each other where they both go marine tank. They are quite close.
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Um, why are the semifinals in both of the "Overall Results" which should only show the overall results of that 1 match?
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On November 25 2011 06:27 Micket wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2011 05:55 Qaatar wrote:On November 25 2011 02:37 YoiChiBow wrote:On November 25 2011 01:59 Nick_54 wrote:On November 25 2011 01:40 FXOpen wrote:On November 25 2011 01:35 kineticSYN wrote:On November 25 2011 01:31 FXOpen wrote:kineticSYN United States. November 25 2011 01:29. Posts 558 PM Profile Report Quote # people are overhyping leenocks 2-0 win vs mvp lmao they were both tired, yet mvp played so many broadcasted games back to back, leenock did have a bit of a breather and in the end, regardless of fatigue, leenock played the better series, and mvp made mistakes let's not kid ourselves, mvp played like a chump in their series, and that is not his usual level of play when the semi's rolls around and mvp crushes poor leenock, i wonder if all these comments will disappear. but leenock is great, so we can only wait and see! IMMvp #1 nuff said. I think its a 50/50 match leenock vs MvP... But I have inside information lmao "FXOpen" it's cool to be proud of your psuedo team players, but until someone proves otherwise, MVP being #1 is no joke or opinion. MVP is rank number 1 in the world at the moment....But there are plenty of up and comers, and I am not talking about FXO only.. I am an MVP fan.. Maybe not quite as much as you.. NESTEA has proven in the past (which is what your opinion based on) that he is also as good as if not better than MVP.. But hey, I am just proud of a pseudo team... Nestea is not close to MVP's level. Correct me if I'm wrong, but has Nestea ever beaten MVP when it counted? MVP knocked him out of 3 GSL's and beat him in the Blizzcon finals. MVP has no peer as far as the long term history of this game is concerned or current skill level. MVP has the best mechanics in the game right now because of his high level in broodwar as well as the best strategies and builds. He also has the best preparation for a best of 5 in my opinion. I really think MVP will 3-0 and I'll be surprised if Leenock wins 2 games let alone the series. Thats not a slight to Leenock, but I really can't see him beating MVP. I've been wrong before tho. MVP actually doesn't have the best mechanics in the game. That's just you being biased because he's a champion. Mechanics are definitely not his strength. Yes he has very good mechanics but I would definitely say Bomber has better macro, etc. MVP excels in his build selection (strategy) and decision making. His preparation for games also is absolutely amazing. Whether or not MVP has the best mechanics in SC2 is debatable, but either way, they're top 3 for sure. I'd say ForGG has better mechanics: being harassed on multiple fronts, yet continues to make SCV's and pump units non-stop? Never seen any other Terran do that on a consistent basis. Yes, Bomber's macro, at his best, seems to outshine MVP's best showing of macro. MKP/sC/Taeja's micro, at their best, are better than what I've seen from MVP's. MMA's multitasking, at his best, at least *seems* to be slightly better than MVP's (at this point, I'm not sure anymore). However, MVP is, without a doubt, top 5 in T micro, top 3 in T macro, and top 2 in T multitasking. That, in my eyes, makes him one of the top 2-3 best mechanical players in SC2 on the planet. In other words, not as good as ForGG, but still better than almost every other progamer. Once/if the best A-teamers switch over though...it'll be a much different story. Where are you seeing all this ForGG? Saw a few games of his and it wasn't all that amazing. MVP and Bomber have very similar macro. Watch some of their more recent TvTs vs each other where they both go marine tank. They are quite close.
Mechanics has a fourth component which I didn't state, which is the ability to preserve all of your micro/macro/multitasking skills under pressure from the opponent. It's how ingrained one's reflexes are to all of the physical aspects of an RTS. What was "amazing" from ForGG in that first game against Sage was when he was under constant harass, his production facilities weren't queued but kept up production non-stop, and his SCV production never stopped. All the while, he had an army in the middle of the map roaming around, and responded to Sage's harass very well. Sure, it was one game, but those are tell-tale signs of great BW mechanics that I never see from any other player, at least not consistently for an entire game.
Edit: and you seem to ignore where I said, "at their best." Bomber's overall level of play, including his macro, has been slipping a bit lately.
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On November 25 2011 06:37 Qaatar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2011 06:27 Micket wrote:On November 25 2011 05:55 Qaatar wrote:On November 25 2011 02:37 YoiChiBow wrote:On November 25 2011 01:59 Nick_54 wrote:On November 25 2011 01:40 FXOpen wrote:On November 25 2011 01:35 kineticSYN wrote:On November 25 2011 01:31 FXOpen wrote:kineticSYN United States. November 25 2011 01:29. Posts 558 PM Profile Report Quote # people are overhyping leenocks 2-0 win vs mvp lmao they were both tired, yet mvp played so many broadcasted games back to back, leenock did have a bit of a breather and in the end, regardless of fatigue, leenock played the better series, and mvp made mistakes let's not kid ourselves, mvp played like a chump in their series, and that is not his usual level of play when the semi's rolls around and mvp crushes poor leenock, i wonder if all these comments will disappear. but leenock is great, so we can only wait and see! IMMvp #1 nuff said. I think its a 50/50 match leenock vs MvP... But I have inside information lmao "FXOpen" it's cool to be proud of your psuedo team players, but until someone proves otherwise, MVP being #1 is no joke or opinion. MVP is rank number 1 in the world at the moment....But there are plenty of up and comers, and I am not talking about FXO only.. I am an MVP fan.. Maybe not quite as much as you.. NESTEA has proven in the past (which is what your opinion based on) that he is also as good as if not better than MVP.. But hey, I am just proud of a pseudo team... Nestea is not close to MVP's level. Correct me if I'm wrong, but has Nestea ever beaten MVP when it counted? MVP knocked him out of 3 GSL's and beat him in the Blizzcon finals. MVP has no peer as far as the long term history of this game is concerned or current skill level. MVP has the best mechanics in the game right now because of his high level in broodwar as well as the best strategies and builds. He also has the best preparation for a best of 5 in my opinion. I really think MVP will 3-0 and I'll be surprised if Leenock wins 2 games let alone the series. Thats not a slight to Leenock, but I really can't see him beating MVP. I've been wrong before tho. MVP actually doesn't have the best mechanics in the game. That's just you being biased because he's a champion. Mechanics are definitely not his strength. Yes he has very good mechanics but I would definitely say Bomber has better macro, etc. MVP excels in his build selection (strategy) and decision making. His preparation for games also is absolutely amazing. Whether or not MVP has the best mechanics in SC2 is debatable, but either way, they're top 3 for sure. I'd say ForGG has better mechanics: being harassed on multiple fronts, yet continues to make SCV's and pump units non-stop? Never seen any other Terran do that on a consistent basis. Yes, Bomber's macro, at his best, seems to outshine MVP's best showing of macro. MKP/sC/Taeja's micro, at their best, are better than what I've seen from MVP's. MMA's multitasking, at his best, at least *seems* to be slightly better than MVP's (at this point, I'm not sure anymore). However, MVP is, without a doubt, top 5 in T micro, top 3 in T macro, and top 2 in T multitasking. That, in my eyes, makes him one of the top 2-3 best mechanical players in SC2 on the planet. In other words, not as good as ForGG, but still better than almost every other progamer. Once/if the best A-teamers switch over though...it'll be a much different story. Where are you seeing all this ForGG? Saw a few games of his and it wasn't all that amazing. MVP and Bomber have very similar macro. Watch some of their more recent TvTs vs each other where they both go marine tank. They are quite close. Mechanics has a fourth component which I didn't state, which is the ability to preserve all of your micro/macro/multitasking skills under pressure from the opponent. It's how ingrained one's reflexes are to all of the physical aspects of an RTS. What was "amazing" from ForGG in that first game against Sage was when he was under constant harass, his production facilities weren't queued but kept up production non-stop, and his SCV production never stopped. All the while, he had an army in the middle of the map roaming around, and responded to Sage's harass very well. Sure, it was one game, but those are tell-tale signs of great BW mechanics that I never see from any other player, at least not consistently for an entire game. Edit: and you seem to ignore where I said, "at their best." Bomber's overall level of play, including his macro, has been slipping a bit lately.
Ah ok, I get what you mean.
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On November 25 2011 05:42 Talack wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2011 04:45 GinDo wrote:On November 25 2011 04:14 Fission wrote:On November 25 2011 03:54 Talack wrote:On November 25 2011 01:26 TheSubtleArt wrote:On November 24 2011 23:24 Poopi wrote:On November 24 2011 23:23 alpsi wrote:On November 24 2011 23:09 Poopi wrote:
Games went as expected. I am a bit sad for aLive who got pretty terrible maps but gomtv wants to get rid of terrans :s.
Mvp will beat Leenock easily and Jjakji can beat Mvp, it will be interesting mvp beat leenock easily? dont think so Why not? He and MarineKing practice a lot together, and MKP has Leenock's number... Leenock beat MVP at MLG.... Leenock never beat "MVP" at MLG, "MVP" was not at MLG Yes he was. He's being sarcastic. What he's saying is that MVP wasn't in his best shape. Or making a joke of how the real MVP wasn't at MLG. *facepalm* Jesus some people are not that quick. How could people not pick up on that : / Next time i'll bold it, italisize it and add in extra quotations. Perhaps even a spoiler explaining the concept to.
Youre new on the internet or smth? Written sarcasm doesnt work very well, dont insult that guy for not getting it, its your fault
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On November 24 2011 22:54 oneofthem wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2011 22:46 zidaneshead wrote:On November 24 2011 22:43 Bagi wrote:On November 24 2011 20:58 ffrozenfish wrote:On November 24 2011 20:52 ShakAttaK wrote:On November 24 2011 20:47 forsooth wrote:On November 24 2011 20:42 BobMcJohnson wrote:
Leenock vs MVP is going to be sick, and smells like a finals. Especially for Leenock, I could see MVP falling to Oz since his TvP is a bit shaky. I wouldn't be so quick to overlook Jjakji. He's got some pretty good Protoss players on NSHoseo to practice with, so he could very well come into his semifinal match and take it. As for MVP, considering he has the best TvZ around and the revenge angle for extra motivation, I would expect him to beat Leenock. Edit: Also forgot that Puzzle was Jjakji's last opponent, so you know he's been practicing that TvP nonstop. But you forget Leenock has some of the best ZvT around  and also smashed MVP at MLG so he has confidence on top of great skill so i don't know MVP might lose tihs one Leenock smashed a tired MVP at MLG I think Leenock would've been tired too, they both went through the open bracket. Naw man didn't you hear? Leenock had a clone play through the open bracket for him, then right when he was about to face MVP he arrived on his private jet. It had it's own personal chef and masseuse. leenock had a little break before playing mvp. and he's 4 years younger
Its not like MVP is old.........
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God did you guys see what I saw? This MVP guy is so good it's disgusting.
Nothing says "I'm better than you in TvT" more soundly than beating opponent's Mech with Bio, and then promptly beating Bio with Mech.
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i hope Mvp demolishes leenock in ro4.. i want to see zerg blood spilled for alive's tragic games.
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On November 25 2011 05:42 Talack wrote:Show nested quote +On November 25 2011 04:45 GinDo wrote:On November 25 2011 04:14 Fission wrote:On November 25 2011 03:54 Talack wrote:On November 25 2011 01:26 TheSubtleArt wrote:On November 24 2011 23:24 Poopi wrote:On November 24 2011 23:23 alpsi wrote:On November 24 2011 23:09 Poopi wrote:
Games went as expected. I am a bit sad for aLive who got pretty terrible maps but gomtv wants to get rid of terrans :s.
Mvp will beat Leenock easily and Jjakji can beat Mvp, it will be interesting mvp beat leenock easily? dont think so Why not? He and MarineKing practice a lot together, and MKP has Leenock's number... Leenock beat MVP at MLG.... Leenock never beat "MVP" at MLG, "MVP" was not at MLG Yes he was. He's being sarcastic. What he's saying is that MVP wasn't in his best shape. Or making a joke of how the real MVP wasn't at MLG. *facepalm* Jesus some people are not that quick. How could people not pick up on that : / Next time i'll bold it, italisize it and add in extra quotations. Perhaps even a spoiler explaining the concept to.
You're literally the first person I've seen used quotation marks like that so of course someone would misunderstand it. It looks like you're not actually talking about MVP when you use "MVP", but you were... unless you were trying to say Leenock never beat a fake MVP >_> .... so yeah.
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On November 25 2011 07:51 Liquid`Jinro wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2011 22:54 oneofthem wrote:On November 24 2011 22:46 zidaneshead wrote:On November 24 2011 22:43 Bagi wrote:On November 24 2011 20:58 ffrozenfish wrote:On November 24 2011 20:52 ShakAttaK wrote:On November 24 2011 20:47 forsooth wrote:On November 24 2011 20:42 BobMcJohnson wrote:
Leenock vs MVP is going to be sick, and smells like a finals. Especially for Leenock, I could see MVP falling to Oz since his TvP is a bit shaky. I wouldn't be so quick to overlook Jjakji. He's got some pretty good Protoss players on NSHoseo to practice with, so he could very well come into his semifinal match and take it. As for MVP, considering he has the best TvZ around and the revenge angle for extra motivation, I would expect him to beat Leenock. Edit: Also forgot that Puzzle was Jjakji's last opponent, so you know he's been practicing that TvP nonstop. But you forget Leenock has some of the best ZvT around and also smashed MVP at MLG so he has confidence on top of great skill so i don't know MVP might lose tihs one Leenock smashed a tired MVP at MLG I think Leenock would've been tired too, they both went through the open bracket. Naw man didn't you hear? Leenock had a clone play through the open bracket for him, then right when he was about to face MVP he arrived on his private jet. It had it's own personal chef and masseuse. leenock had a little break before playing mvp. and he's 4 years younger Its not like MVP is old.........
MVP is definitely not old, but he has a serious problem with carpal tunnel syndrom apparently... there is no way to know whithout asking him but you could imagine that he is more affected by the mass gaming that is the open ladder than your usual player.
I wonder if it's the reason he went mech in a lot of his zvt, I tend to think that mech is a bit less apm heavy, but when I see MVP play it with hellions drops/runby everywhere on the map I wonder if it's really the case...
Anyway, it's going to be a sick match, both of them will be able to play at their best so I'm really looking forward to that.
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sC laughing after the 0-3. Probably asking himself "what else am I suppose to do?"
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