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On November 20 2011 13:30 TheDougler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 13:20 SCST wrote:On November 20 2011 13:17 Plethoric wrote:
For the second day in a row, I'm disappointed by the Providence crowd. They just seem bored and uninspired. Where are the real SC2 fans this weekend? Yeah, they really need to take a hint from this and just host these tournaments in major cities from now on. Anaheim was a blast with the crowd as excited as they were . . . providence fans, for the most part, seem knocked out on cold medicine or something. Right now I have the flu. A runny nose, a headache, shivers, a sore throat and am tired from watching a whole day of starcraft... But I'll tell you this, I'm gonna pick my buddies up tomorrow even with all that, head over to Calgary Barcraft and fucking clap my hands off and cheer as loud as I can because I fucking love this game. If we had MLG Vancouver I'd get a massive roadtrip of Calgarians heading over there. These Rhode Island spectators really need to step up their game.
And yet, you did not come out to the event itself, instead content to pat yourself on the back as one of the "true" fans and criticize the crowd ala the perspective offered by the stream. Having actually traveled to Rhode Island for MLG myself, I can tell you that I've had dozens of intense Sc2 debates , had my ears destroyed by cheers as MC defeated MVP, and even started a "Huk Hwaiting!" cheer in the Providence mall that reverberated throughout the whole establishment. Don't be so quick to judge and don't be so self-assured.
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On November 20 2011 13:20 SoKHo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 13:19 gruff wrote:On November 20 2011 13:13 sparklyresidue wrote:On November 20 2011 13:13 SoKHo wrote:On November 20 2011 13:12 Femari wrote:![[image loading]](http://i42.tinypic.com/18hp92.gif) just feel like this should be reposted before i get off go go mc! I was laughing so hard, when he did that. People flamed the shit out of naniwa for thumbs downing nestea, but wasn't as severe when MC did this. So weird Thumbs downing is somewhat mean spirited. This is just awesome! What am I missing here? In GSTL they thumb each other down all the time. MC have done it (as well said similar things towards opponents as Naniwa). What is suddenly so outrageous with a thumbs down? Thank God! Someone with a brain does exist on these threads!
Its not that why people are mad at naniwa, its the fact he called Nestea an idiot..
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Why was this thread so bad today? Yesterday was so sweet.
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On November 20 2011 13:39 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 13:37 Fubi wrote:
Does anyone else also feel that this MLG is less exciting (relatively) than you thought it would? Don't be mistaken, it is still good, it's just I thought it would be SOOO much better seeing as it is the "finally" sort of thing with so many good players, but so far none of the games really boiled my blood so far like the other MLGs have. It's because the format is so lame. The top seeds only play like two series in 2 days. Also not as exciting because it's just impossibly hard to win without being seeded.
If MVP wasn't so weak in his TvP, there would be no competition for him at this MLG. Unfortunately, it seems like the P's are all congregated towards the end of this tournament, so it's anybody's guess right now.
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Are we done for the day?
Also, that MC gif is brilliant 
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On November 20 2011 13:30 trucane wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 13:29 SilverLeagueElite wrote:On November 20 2011 13:16 gruff wrote:On November 20 2011 13:13 SoKHo wrote:On November 20 2011 13:12 Femari wrote:just feel like this should be reposted before i get off go go mc! I was laughing so hard, when he did that. People flamed the shit out of naniwa for thumbs downing nestea, but wasn't as severe when MC did this. So weird MC got a lot of flack in the GSL when thumbing down opponents and being cocky before they got used to it. The bashers have simply gotten tired of him and are looking for a new target. MC and Idra have charisma. Naniwa not so much. So just because a player doesn't have charisma according to you he isn't allowed to do cermonies? Sounds logical...
You're trying to make logic out of something I never said? The reception of the ceremony depends on the likability of the player as a person. People like MC and Idra on an individual level. I didn't say anything about being allowed to do ceremonies.
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MLG honestly should have picked a better venue for their biggest tournament of the year...the crowd has been quite disappointing. Save the best cities (esports fan base wise) for the big tourneys. If Providence was a regular $5k tourney it wouldn't be as disappointing, but this is supposed to be the big one :/
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So why haven't Protosses been doing the forcefield ramp thing to Zergs before? I remember seeing it occasionally but it seems to be more popular now. What changed?
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other than korean, the seeded player in champion bracket got knocked down
i hope next year it would be much more fair
i enjoy naniwa vs korean, or idra vs korean
but slush, haypro, kiwikaki......
and how did the loser bracket pool seeding goes ?
i mean gratz to state, dde, TLO
but watching them at the cost of Oz, Sc, Puzzle, ganzi is a big no thanks 
i dont even mind watching gatored that is consistently good against korean terran
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On November 20 2011 13:43 hitpoint wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 13:37 Fubi wrote:
Does anyone else also feel that this MLG is less exciting (relatively) than you thought it would? Don't be mistaken, it is still good, it's just I thought it would be SOOO much better seeing as it is the "finaly" sort of thing with so many good players, but so far none of the games really boiled my blood so far like the other MLGs have. I think it's just less exciting to see Koreans at a foreign event relatively. It's still great of course, but it was AMAZING at first, and we're just used to it now. We're probably a little sick of Koreans smashing all but the top 3-4 non Koreans also. That's how I feel at least. It's a lot more exciting when the games are close and you don't know who's going to win. Also, the korean vs korean matches are less interesting. They're still amazing games, but GSL is always on for that.
a Korean vs Korean is never less interesting for me
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Which terrans are left? MVP, who else??
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On November 20 2011 13:44 Fubi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 13:40 Desert Fox wrote:On November 20 2011 13:38 iky43210 wrote:
MLG seeded system only allows very few people to make it through open bracket. So having 40 koreans or 10 koreans participating don't make a dime difference, only few gets through anyway Year long tournaments designed to reward year long participants should reward year long participants. I hope that makes sense. Hope you realize this system doesn't really work for SC2, where the scene involves much more than just the Americans. You can't realistically expect all the Europeans and Koreans to dedicate their time AND money coming to every event. And also, SC2 is a game that shifts super fast; look at the top players at the beginning of the year compare to now, 80-90% of them are different. Therefore you can't reward players simply because they've been coming to every tournament, as that would risk allowing mediocre players or players that have fallen out of the top to be seeded high.
I think it actually has the greatest potential to work for SC2. IMO, SC2 reminds me of Professional Golf (PGA) and how they've set up their FedEx Cup. I view this tournament as simply something like that. Tiger Woods won a couple of them but you have some people who, because of their consistent play ended up in the top 30 after the final few tournaments, had a better chance to win and subsequently won. Such a format encourages and allows true leagues to form.
When people like Huk and Idra discuss being selective in what tournaments they go to, there's a reason they pick the MLG over ESL (Orlando example). They payout their money, they have a better brand name and because those points mean something going into Providence where there's an excellent payout. I want that, I think it'd be good for the scene and it adds stability in a community that doesn't have it.
I'd rather it all be like MLG than ESL or your random invitationals.
Edit: And adding to that, it's not a big deal. You can win all the other tournaments or win one of them if you want (see: Mvp, MMA, Bomber). If you want to do well in this one, you need to show up to more or play one hell of a weekend. These individuals attempted the latter. That was their choice. Not every tournament needs to reward the greatest person--or the greatest planner. The GSL varies from MLG just in the ability to be able to analyze your opponent for days at a time before matching up against them.
Variety is excellent and with the exception of the NASL finals between Puma and MC, the MLG has produced the most exciting content for fans. Don't be so quick to want to change everything about the MLG.
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On November 20 2011 13:49 magnaflow wrote:
Which terrans are left? MVP, who else??
MVP + Sjow, Rain, MKP, Select, Illusion (lol), MMA, Boxer, Artist, Bomber, Puma...
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The dust settles, and two foreigners remain in the WB. IdrA can't seem to hang with the new Protoss meta-game, not that his ZvP was ever stellar. Unfortunate that he had to face MC instead of MVP, but there's still the chance that he might face MVP in the LB.
Naniwa and HuK have carried the foreigner torch forward this tournament, though in different fashions. The first has become the new face of BM. The second is an old crowd favorite. In terms of achievements, Naniwa has achieved much more this MLG - beating MVP, Nestea, and then Nestea again (for a record of 4-2) is not something to sneeze at. As much notoriety as Naniwa might have gained for his actions in-between games, the man deserves credit for showing that no, he is not going to become just another foreigner victim in a crowd of foreigner victims. He wants it all.
Meanwhile, the favorites from IM, Nestea and MVP, have both been sent to the LB. That this would happen, and via foreigners in the case of Nestea, was almost unthinkable prior to the tournament. But now it's there - one foreigner, though no doubt helped by the seeding system that gave him ample time to prepare, whereas Nestea and MVP had to slug it through the OB, he has risen to the greatest challenge of them all, the challenge that others considered impossible... And won.
Pity that he had to wreck his reputation on the exact same day.
But hey, Naniwa is what he is. Accept him, reject him, hate him, love him, this tournament thus far has been his story.
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On November 20 2011 13:47 Die4Ever wrote:
So why haven't Protosses been doing the forcefield ramp thing to Zergs before? I remember seeing it occasionally but it seems to be more popular now. What changed?
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Warp_Prism
Shields increased from 40 to 100. in patch 1.4
That 60 health can be a difference against zerg with only 2-3 queens. I think zerg will learn to have a couple more queens out to counter it or a spore at the ramp depending on map design.
I used to do something similiar when i played Protoss. You can trap an entire minerial field of workers with a couple FF. 2 sentry 2 zealot can do some quick harass. Never tried it at the ramp really.
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Naniwa's tweets:
"I must have formulated myself badly in the interviews I did not mean to call nestea bad. Or. An idiot watch next col iview. . ."
"He said he would smash me before the game so that's why I wanted to do something funny. Also sry @MLG I felt very pressured ."
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