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On November 20 2011 14:00 Ruscour wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 13:58 ZorBa.G wrote:
It was quiet obvious how pressured Naniwa looked. Although this behaviour is unacceptable... It's forgivable. How is it unacceptable? I simply don't understand. If this was IdrA, people would be lapping it up...
You don't diss the tournament organization on the main stage even if you're Idra. People bring Idra into this, but a lot of people would reprimand anyone who did what he did. Idra gets shit too for not gg'ing in certain tournaments too, but he has never done something like what naniwa did which was spit on the organization in their own televised tournament. Sorry, but it was not okay on any level.
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On November 20 2011 14:02 Resolve wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 14:01 Vertical wrote:On November 20 2011 13:52 Azarkon wrote:+ Show Spoiler +The dust settles, and two foreigners remain in the WB. IdrA can't seem to hang with the new Protoss meta-game, not that his ZvP was ever stellar. Unfortunate that he had to face MC instead of MVP, but there's still the chance that he might face MVP in the LB.
Naniwa and HuK have carried the foreigner torch forward this tournament, though in different fashions. The first has become the new face of BM. The second is an old crowd favorite. In terms of achievements, Naniwa has achieved much more this MLG - beating MVP, Nestea, and then Nestea again (for a record of 4-2) is not something any other foreigner can boast. As much notoriety as Naniwa might have gained for his actions in-between games, the man deserves credit for showing that no, he is not going to become just another foreigner victim in a sea of foreigner victims. He wants it all.
Meanwhile, the favorites from IM, Nestea and MVP, have both been sent to the LB. That this would happen, and via foreigners in the case of Nestea, was almost unthinkable prior to the tournament. But now it is a reality - though no doubt helped by the seeding system that gave them ample time to prepare, whereas Nestea and MVP had to slug it through the OB, one foreigner has risen to the greatest challenge of them all... And triumphed.
Pity that he had to wreck his reputation on the exact same day.
But hey, Naniwa is what he is. Accept him, reject him, hate him, love him, this tournament thus far has been his story. + Show Spoiler +u talk as if Naniwa and Huk is somewhat sooo gooooddd
if foreigners that good, then why's no one ever through the second round of Code A ?!
only Huk able do that, after he's multiple tries
foreigner won because this is "their" tournament
their rules, their turf, system, etc
the fact that only Huk (and jinro, and arguably idra) can last in korean turf, but NEVER won a single cup
is a fact that foreginer only won because this is "their" tournament
korean come being jet lagged, crawling from open bracket, with maximum a week of training (due to GSL)
but foreigner came to GSL with everything set
they came more than 3 days before the match (citation needed), they know the opponent, has the same preparation time
the same thing goes for GSL World Championship
u saw the IPL KoTH like clan war ?
no one gets even near slayers B teamers
thou i'd like to see how EG (arguably the best foreigner team) has their chances against them Did Naniwa/Huk/Idra come from Korea just like all the (other, lol) koreans?
did naniwa/huk/idra has to play through the open bracket ?
notice there's still other 2 factor that i state, they could be more
i need to take back my word
it is not right that none korean ever make it through round 2 of GSL
the trurth is other than Jinro, Huk, Idra (which stays months in korea)
there has been NONE AT ALL foreigner qualified trough the GSL Code A qualifier
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On November 20 2011 14:02 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 14:01 Alpino wrote:On November 20 2011 13:18 Toppp wrote:
Apparently NanIwa hosted the wrong map and blamed the admins for it and called the tournament a joke, delaying the broadcast.
NanIwa comes off as a arrogant, bitter person to alot of people ( me included ) because of the childish way he acts. He's very good but if he want's to be respected by most, he needs to grow up, it's not really just this one thing but the way his attitude in general. But he is already respected by who actually matters. Who? The players? I'm sure Naniwa lost a lot of respect from players today.
Beat NesTea for the second time in two days.
Lose respect.
Flawless Logic.
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On November 20 2011 14:04 Alpino wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 14:02 Femari wrote:On November 20 2011 14:01 Alpino wrote:On November 20 2011 13:18 Toppp wrote:
Apparently NanIwa hosted the wrong map and blamed the admins for it and called the tournament a joke, delaying the broadcast.
NanIwa comes off as a arrogant, bitter person to alot of people ( me included ) because of the childish way he acts. He's very good but if he want's to be respected by most, he needs to grow up, it's not really just this one thing but the way his attitude in general. But he is already respected by who actually matters. Who? The players? I'm sure Naniwa lost a lot of respect from players today. Beat NesTea for the second time in two days. Lose respect. Flawless Logic.
You're confusing respect for skill with respect for the player.
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On November 20 2011 14:02 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 14:01 Alpino wrote:On November 20 2011 13:18 Toppp wrote:
Apparently NanIwa hosted the wrong map and blamed the admins for it and called the tournament a joke, delaying the broadcast.
NanIwa comes off as a arrogant, bitter person to alot of people ( me included ) because of the childish way he acts. He's very good but if he want's to be respected by most, he needs to grow up, it's not really just this one thing but the way his attitude in general. But he is already respected by who actually matters. Who? The players? I'm sure Naniwa lost a lot of respect from players today.
Did you even see who he beat? I'm sure he gained a lot of respect. But either way, neither you nor I can talk about that because we're not the players. 
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On November 20 2011 14:04 Vertical wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 14:02 Resolve wrote:On November 20 2011 14:01 Vertical wrote:On November 20 2011 13:52 Azarkon wrote:+ Show Spoiler +The dust settles, and two foreigners remain in the WB. IdrA can't seem to hang with the new Protoss meta-game, not that his ZvP was ever stellar. Unfortunate that he had to face MC instead of MVP, but there's still the chance that he might face MVP in the LB.
Naniwa and HuK have carried the foreigner torch forward this tournament, though in different fashions. The first has become the new face of BM. The second is an old crowd favorite. In terms of achievements, Naniwa has achieved much more this MLG - beating MVP, Nestea, and then Nestea again (for a record of 4-2) is not something any other foreigner can boast. As much notoriety as Naniwa might have gained for his actions in-between games, the man deserves credit for showing that no, he is not going to become just another foreigner victim in a sea of foreigner victims. He wants it all.
Meanwhile, the favorites from IM, Nestea and MVP, have both been sent to the LB. That this would happen, and via foreigners in the case of Nestea, was almost unthinkable prior to the tournament. But now it is a reality - though no doubt helped by the seeding system that gave them ample time to prepare, whereas Nestea and MVP had to slug it through the OB, one foreigner has risen to the greatest challenge of them all... And triumphed.
Pity that he had to wreck his reputation on the exact same day.
But hey, Naniwa is what he is. Accept him, reject him, hate him, love him, this tournament thus far has been his story. + Show Spoiler +u talk as if Naniwa and Huk is somewhat sooo gooooddd
if foreigners that good, then why's no one ever through the second round of Code A ?!
only Huk able do that, after he's multiple tries
foreigner won because this is "their" tournament
their rules, their turf, system, etc
the fact that only Huk (and jinro, and arguably idra) can last in korean turf, but NEVER won a single cup
is a fact that foreginer only won because this is "their" tournament
korean come being jet lagged, crawling from open bracket, with maximum a week of training (due to GSL)
but foreigner came to GSL with everything set
they came more than 3 days before the match (citation needed), they know the opponent, has the same preparation time
the same thing goes for GSL World Championship
u saw the IPL KoTH like clan war ?
no one gets even near slayers B teamers
thou i'd like to see how EG (arguably the best foreigner team) has their chances against them Did Naniwa/Huk/Idra come from Korea just like all the (other, lol) koreans? did naniwa/huk/idra has to play through the open bracket ?
no, but I was just asking an honest question :|
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On November 20 2011 14:04 Alpino wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 14:02 Femari wrote:On November 20 2011 14:01 Alpino wrote:On November 20 2011 13:18 Toppp wrote:
Apparently NanIwa hosted the wrong map and blamed the admins for it and called the tournament a joke, delaying the broadcast.
NanIwa comes off as a arrogant, bitter person to alot of people ( me included ) because of the childish way he acts. He's very good but if he want's to be respected by most, he needs to grow up, it's not really just this one thing but the way his attitude in general. But he is already respected by who actually matters. Who? The players? I'm sure Naniwa lost a lot of respect from players today. Beat NesTea for the second time in two days. Lose respect. Flawless Logic.
Michael vick is a good player but I don't like him lol
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On November 20 2011 14:03 paintfive wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 14:00 Dundron2000 wrote:
the thing i dont get is how Naniwa can be so crushingly self critical of all his losses and then switches to utter hubris after 2 series vs MVP and Nestea.. its like there is no middle ground what so ever.
and cue the Complexity damage control...
on the plus side ive never been so into a match as the 2nd nestea/nani, hope tomorrow keeps these awesome games going! lol... he beat MVP and Nestea!! id be pretty fuckin proud of myself.
yes, and if he was proud of himself without calling his competitor an idiot i dont think anyone would have had a problem with it
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On November 20 2011 14:07 Dundron2000 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 14:03 paintfive wrote:On November 20 2011 14:00 Dundron2000 wrote:
the thing i dont get is how Naniwa can be so crushingly self critical of all his losses and then switches to utter hubris after 2 series vs MVP and Nestea.. its like there is no middle ground what so ever.
and cue the Complexity damage control...
on the plus side ive never been so into a match as the 2nd nestea/nani, hope tomorrow keeps these awesome games going! lol... he beat MVP and Nestea!! id be pretty fuckin proud of myself. yes, and if he was proud of himself without calling his competitor an idiot i dont think anyone would have had a problem with it
He didn't call his competitor an idiot. He said the choice to take all his drones off minerals was stupid.
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On November 20 2011 14:05 Resolve wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 14:04 Vertical wrote:On November 20 2011 14:02 Resolve wrote:On November 20 2011 14:01 Vertical wrote:On November 20 2011 13:52 Azarkon wrote:+ Show Spoiler +The dust settles, and two foreigners remain in the WB. IdrA can't seem to hang with the new Protoss meta-game, not that his ZvP was ever stellar. Unfortunate that he had to face MC instead of MVP, but there's still the chance that he might face MVP in the LB.
Naniwa and HuK have carried the foreigner torch forward this tournament, though in different fashions. The first has become the new face of BM. The second is an old crowd favorite. In terms of achievements, Naniwa has achieved much more this MLG - beating MVP, Nestea, and then Nestea again (for a record of 4-2) is not something any other foreigner can boast. As much notoriety as Naniwa might have gained for his actions in-between games, the man deserves credit for showing that no, he is not going to become just another foreigner victim in a sea of foreigner victims. He wants it all.
Meanwhile, the favorites from IM, Nestea and MVP, have both been sent to the LB. That this would happen, and via foreigners in the case of Nestea, was almost unthinkable prior to the tournament. But now it is a reality - though no doubt helped by the seeding system that gave them ample time to prepare, whereas Nestea and MVP had to slug it through the OB, one foreigner has risen to the greatest challenge of them all... And triumphed.
Pity that he had to wreck his reputation on the exact same day.
But hey, Naniwa is what he is. Accept him, reject him, hate him, love him, this tournament thus far has been his story. + Show Spoiler +u talk as if Naniwa and Huk is somewhat sooo gooooddd
if foreigners that good, then why's no one ever through the second round of Code A ?!
only Huk able do that, after he's multiple tries
foreigner won because this is "their" tournament
their rules, their turf, system, etc
the fact that only Huk (and jinro, and arguably idra) can last in korean turf, but NEVER won a single cup
is a fact that foreginer only won because this is "their" tournament
korean come being jet lagged, crawling from open bracket, with maximum a week of training (due to GSL)
but foreigner came to GSL with everything set
they came more than 3 days before the match (citation needed), they know the opponent, has the same preparation time
the same thing goes for GSL World Championship
u saw the IPL KoTH like clan war ?
no one gets even near slayers B teamers
thou i'd like to see how EG (arguably the best foreigner team) has their chances against them Did Naniwa/Huk/Idra come from Korea just like all the (other, lol) koreans? did naniwa/huk/idra has to play through the open bracket ? no, but I was just asking an honest question :|
dont know is the honest answer
but probably they can get to US much quicker
idra, naniwa, huk no longer has matches in korea
Mvp definitely cant
he got Code S match just 3 days ago
that being said, nestea might be to
since they probably fly together instead of 1 by 1
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"Naniwa is an ill mannered son of a bitch. I've met many bad mannered people in my life but to run into a person like him..he shows such foolish antics"
IM coach is pissed.
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On November 20 2011 14:07 Dundron2000 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 14:03 paintfive wrote:On November 20 2011 14:00 Dundron2000 wrote:
the thing i dont get is how Naniwa can be so crushingly self critical of all his losses and then switches to utter hubris after 2 series vs MVP and Nestea.. its like there is no middle ground what so ever.
and cue the Complexity damage control...
on the plus side ive never been so into a match as the 2nd nestea/nani, hope tomorrow keeps these awesome games going! lol... he beat MVP and Nestea!! id be pretty fuckin proud of myself. yes, and if he was proud of himself without calling his competitor an idiot i dont think anyone would have had a problem with it
Except... He didn't. You obviously have not watched the interview.
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On November 20 2011 14:07 Dundron2000 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 14:03 paintfive wrote:On November 20 2011 14:00 Dundron2000 wrote:
the thing i dont get is how Naniwa can be so crushingly self critical of all his losses and then switches to utter hubris after 2 series vs MVP and Nestea.. its like there is no middle ground what so ever.
and cue the Complexity damage control...
on the plus side ive never been so into a match as the 2nd nestea/nani, hope tomorrow keeps these awesome games going! lol... he beat MVP and Nestea!! id be pretty fuckin proud of myself. yes, and if he was proud of himself without calling his competitor an idiot i dont think anyone would have had a problem with it
I wish people would watch the interview and stop taking shit out of context jesus christ. I hate how TMZ everything has gotten lately.
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Just watched the interview, that interview is taken waaaay out of context. All he said was, "I dont think nestea is the best zerg player in korea, there other who are better.."and goes to explain who he has a hard time playing. The problem was at the beginning of the game it was propagated that naniwa called him an idiot....which people caught on to.
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On November 20 2011 14:04 Alpino wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 14:02 Femari wrote:On November 20 2011 14:01 Alpino wrote:On November 20 2011 13:18 Toppp wrote:
Apparently NanIwa hosted the wrong map and blamed the admins for it and called the tournament a joke, delaying the broadcast.
NanIwa comes off as a arrogant, bitter person to alot of people ( me included ) because of the childish way he acts. He's very good but if he want's to be respected by most, he needs to grow up, it's not really just this one thing but the way his attitude in general. But he is already respected by who actually matters. Who? The players? I'm sure Naniwa lost a lot of respect from players today. Beat NesTea for the second time in two days. Lose respect. Flawless Logic.
Kobe
A-Rod
Michael Vick
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On November 20 2011 14:01 Vertical wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 13:52 Azarkon wrote:
The dust settles, and two foreigners remain in the WB. IdrA can't seem to hang with the new Protoss meta-game, not that his ZvP was ever stellar. Unfortunate that he had to face MC instead of MVP, but there's still the chance that he might face MVP in the LB.
Naniwa and HuK have carried the foreigner torch forward this tournament, though in different fashions. The first has become the new face of BM. The second is an old crowd favorite. In terms of achievements, Naniwa has achieved much more this MLG - beating MVP, Nestea, and then Nestea again (for a record of 4-2) is not something any other foreigner can boast. As much notoriety as Naniwa might have gained for his actions in-between games, the man deserves credit for showing that no, he is not going to become just another foreigner victim in a sea of foreigner victims. He wants it all.
Meanwhile, the favorites from IM, Nestea and MVP, have both been sent to the LB. That this would happen, and via foreigners in the case of Nestea, was almost unthinkable prior to the tournament. But now it is a reality - though no doubt helped by the seeding system that gave them ample time to prepare, whereas Nestea and MVP had to slug it through the OB, one foreigner has risen to the greatest challenge of them all... And triumphed.
Pity that he had to wreck his reputation on the exact same day.
But hey, Naniwa is what he is. Accept him, reject him, hate him, love him, this tournament thus far has been his story. u talk as if Naniwa and Huk is somewhat sooo gooooddd if foreigners that good, then why's no one ever through the second round of Code A ?! only Huk able do that, after he's multiple tries foreigner won because this is "their" tournament their rules, their turf, system, etc the fact that only Huk (and jinro, and arguably idra) can last in korean turf, but NEVER won a single cup is a fact that foreginer only won because this is "their" tournament korean come being jet lagged, crawling from open bracket, with maximum a week of training (due to GSL) but foreigner came to GSL with everything set they came more than 3 days before the match (citation needed), they know the opponent, has the same preparation time the same thing goes for GSL World Championship u saw the IPL KoTH like clan war ? no one gets even near slayers B teamers thou i'd like to see how EG (arguably the best foreigner team) has their chances against them they can have the throphy, but NOT YET the acknowledgement
You do realise that naniwa flew in from Korea just like all the other koreans don't you?
I don't think anyone is claiming NANIWA > NESTEA & MVP , NANIWA BEST IN THE WORLD!!.
Look , naniwa had a good day and yes the koreans are not in their comfort zone.
But still , you have to give credit where credit is due , Naniwa took both of them out convincingly .
Even though the matches today PvZ weren't really.. stellar (If I had a dollar for every time I saw that warp prism force field + stargate/ warpgate shit..) naniwa still did a good job.
Posting with such Korean biasness only makes you look pretty stupid.
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The irony is that making that statement makes this IM couch ten times as bad mannered.
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On November 20 2011 14:02 iky43210 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 14:00 Ruscour wrote:On November 20 2011 13:58 ZorBa.G wrote:
It was quiet obvious how pressured Naniwa looked. Although this behaviour is unacceptable... It's forgivable. How is it unacceptable? I simply don't understand. If this was IdrA, people would be lapping it up... I personally don't remember idra BM someone after he won, and even idra would not target giants with alot of fans such as nestea or mvp
He BM'd Cruncher on stage TWICE at MLG. Refusing to shake his hand before the match and then again after he won. You must either not have seen it or decided to forget. He did it because he knew he wouldn't get shit for it cause Cruncher didn't have a huge fanbase.
Before: + Show Spoiler +
After: + Show Spoiler +
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On November 20 2011 14:00 BBMorti wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 13:54 pdd wrote:
Naniwa's tweets:
"I must have formulated myself badly in the interviews I did not mean to call nestea bad. Or. An idiot watch next col iview. . ."
"He said he would smash me before the game so that's why I wanted to do something funny. Also sry @MLG I felt very pressured ." Such a shame he had to mention this, because of all these intellectual ragers.. gj to the people tying to defend him even though it was an uneven battle. mainly in rationality.
Hates gonna hate, man.
I just hope Naniwa doesn't brood on it overnight. He is that type of guy.
He should just let it go, and do what he normally does before a big day of SC2.
Edit/ All this melodrama is so lame. Just get over it and discuss the actual games.
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