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On November 20 2011 13:23 SCST wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 13:19 figq wrote:On November 20 2011 13:17 Plethoric wrote:
For the second day in a row, I'm disappointed by the Providence crowd. They just seem bored and uninspired. Where are the real SC2 fans this weekend? That's not true, during the day they are really excited, but like in every MLG, by the very end of the night they are tired / reduced in numbers. It's a tough event. Sorry but Anaheim and Columbus crowds never died down and never left early. You can watch those vods if you want, or look it up on youtube. If you want a hyped crowd you have to go where the hyped up fans are apparently.
It must be a problem with the mics or something. The whole stadium was packed by the end, hard to get around at all. all the seats were full as well as the aisles and the walls. And we were all cheering.
Keep in mind that a significant portion was even watching the other games, as this tournament was so stacked that sometimes the best games weren't on the main stage. And only the red stream gets the crowd noises.
Finally yesterday the matches were sort of eh until the very end(red stream wise, anyway), as it was just koreans vs diamond players. Not very exciting ^^
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On November 20 2011 13:31 Grettin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 13:29 pdd wrote:On November 20 2011 13:27 Itsmedudeman wrote:On November 20 2011 13:22 Femari wrote:On November 20 2011 13:21 Moralez wrote:
Sundance said this on reddit:
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He chose the wrong map then freaked. Delayed the broadcast and lashed out. It's not our job to make sure he knows which maps have crosses and which do not. He also chose before the admin went in to talk to him.
Onward and upward...
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So yeah he had no right to complain at all, just classic naniwa. oh wow yeah he just is. just wow. no words. Naniwa historically has bad character when he really needs to be professional. Remember the NASL? I'm not gonna BM him, but he really needs to think about his actions. You can't just BM the tournament organization you're playing in on the MAIN STAGE. I'm surrpised they didn't fine him or penalize him because that would happen in ANY other sports league. Be grateful that you get to play in the tournament and they're giving you prize money. Anyways, this type of behavior has come up in the past quite often, and it was a big deal when he was joining dignitas and starting his sc2 career, but now it seems like he's been slacking and not paying attention. He BM-ed NASL after he withdrew from it. And also it wasn't BM. He was just criticizing the fact that they had to play on the laggy NA server at very tight schedule. So I don't know how you can really call that unprofessional or anything (compared to some of the other withdrawals which have happened in NASL - *cough*Fenix/Painuser*cough*). The last BM thing of note he did was not gg-ing during his GSL game. But other than that he has been relatively well mannered, compared to his old days. Early "months" of SC2. ESL incident, being 'brat' at homestorycup etc. But apparently his old days in WC3 was even worse..
That's why I said compared to his old days he has mild-ed up his act. Yeah, he definitely still needs to chill out (no pun intended) a bit more.
A lot of sports personalities have had bad histories of bad manners and tempers but are still major iconic figures in their respective sports (John McEnroe, Roy Keane, Eric Cantona, (football is actually loaded with them - the real football I mean, not the stupid one which you use your hands to play  )), and I feel Naniwa's one of those guys. If he can just manner up a bit.
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On November 20 2011 13:32 dae wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 13:28 Grackodile wrote:On November 20 2011 13:22 dae wrote:On November 20 2011 13:17 hitpoint wrote:On November 20 2011 13:14 Snowen wrote:On November 20 2011 13:11 Zealot Lord wrote:
Could be wrong, but doesn't a spore at the ramp with some lings stop the sentry drop cold ? I've seen some zergs do it on stream before and I'm pretty sure its intended to stop the ramp forcefield tactics. ding ding ding! Also roach tunnelling claws, IdrA would of held that even without the spore. Tunneling claws and burrow is an awful huge investment to prevent a strategy that the protoss can do almost whenever he wants after a warp prism is out. Especially when the protoss can just fly away and lose nothing if he chooses. My thoughts are that 6ish roachs at the top of the ramp + 1 spore at ramp + 2 queens in main would stop this cold. (rest of the roachs at nat/3rd). If you drop sentries into roachs they will only be able to get 1 ff off, and you still have roachs in main to defend. 2 queens in main + the spore are enough to prevent the pheo/voids from killing the roachs. What MC was doing was also an all in, as he had no way of securing his third vs 3 base mass roach after investing that much into tech. All in? Do you know what an all in is? It is all in because if the attack failed, he would have had a hard time winning. That map has a VERY hard to take third PvZ and against a zerg already on 3 bases, investing that much into tech that early would have made an already very hard to take third impossible to secure, ending up as a droned up 3 base zerg vs a 2 base toss. Pretty much it was all in because he would have been far behind if it didn't work, as his stargate play did minimal damage.
No, an all in is when someone puts everything on the line in one play. The game is over for them completely after the play and there is ZERO chance at all coming back from it (like 2 rax and bringing all your scvs). This is not an all in what so ever because he was still on 2 base saturation and if the attack didn't initially work he could have easily came back and tried something else.
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On November 20 2011 13:37 Fubi wrote:
Does anyone else also feel that this MLG is less exciting (relatively) than you thought it would? Don't be mistaken, it is still good, it's just I thought it would be SOOO much better seeing as it is the "finally" sort of thing with so many good players, but so far none of the games really boiled my blood so far like the other MLGs have.
It's because the format is so lame. The top seeds only play like two series in 2 days. Also not as exciting because it's just impossibly hard to win without being seeded.
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On November 20 2011 13:37 Fubi wrote:
Does anyone else also feel that this MLG is less exciting (relatively) than you thought it would? Don't be mistaken, it is still good, it's just I thought it would be SOOO much better seeing as it is the "finally" sort of thing with so many good players, but so far none of the games really boiled my blood so far like the other MLGs have.
There have been some amazing games in my opinion. In fact, the casters have mentinoed on several different occasions that some of the matchups are the best they've seen in a while.
I think you may be feeling the result of an apathetic crowd that doesn't seem as excited as previous crowds. And don't forget, there will be lots of high level play tomorrow during the finals.
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On November 20 2011 13:24 Haffi wrote:
Force Fields > Greg Fields
rofl how come I never thought about it
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sorry wait.. Why is TLO playing zerg? Aren't they required to declare what race you're playing before the beginning of tournament? So he's planning to play zerg for the whole event?
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On November 20 2011 13:38 iky43210 wrote:
MLG seeded system only allows very few people to make it through open bracket. So having 40 koreans or 10 koreans participating don't make a dime difference, only few gets through anyway
Year long tournaments designed to reward year long participants should reward year long participants.
I hope that makes sense.
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On November 20 2011 13:39 trinxified wrote:
sorry wait.. Why is TLO playing zerg? Aren't they required to declare what race you're playing before the beginning of tournament? So he's planning to play zerg for the whole event?
Apparently he is switching back to zerg, but that is just what I have heard from this thread.
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On November 20 2011 13:39 trinxified wrote:
sorry wait.. Why is TLO playing zerg? Aren't they required to declare what race you're playing before the beginning of tournament? So he's planning to play zerg for the whole event?
yep he switched back to zerg some weeks ago. played zerg in berlin (battle in berlin) but failed ^^
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On November 20 2011 13:39 trinxified wrote:
sorry wait.. Why is TLO playing zerg? Aren't they required to declare what race you're playing before the beginning of tournament? So he's planning to play zerg for the whole event?
He did play zerg the entire tournament. Did damn well too!
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On November 20 2011 13:40 Kieofire wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 13:39 trinxified wrote:
sorry wait.. Why is TLO playing zerg? Aren't they required to declare what race you're playing before the beginning of tournament? So he's planning to play zerg for the whole event? Apparently he is switching back to zerg, but that is just what I have heard from this thread.
What he did?? wow. I totally missed that.
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On November 20 2011 13:38 Grackodile wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 13:32 dae wrote:On November 20 2011 13:28 Grackodile wrote:On November 20 2011 13:22 dae wrote:On November 20 2011 13:17 hitpoint wrote:On November 20 2011 13:14 Snowen wrote:On November 20 2011 13:11 Zealot Lord wrote:
Could be wrong, but doesn't a spore at the ramp with some lings stop the sentry drop cold ? I've seen some zergs do it on stream before and I'm pretty sure its intended to stop the ramp forcefield tactics. ding ding ding! Also roach tunnelling claws, IdrA would of held that even without the spore. Tunneling claws and burrow is an awful huge investment to prevent a strategy that the protoss can do almost whenever he wants after a warp prism is out. Especially when the protoss can just fly away and lose nothing if he chooses. My thoughts are that 6ish roachs at the top of the ramp + 1 spore at ramp + 2 queens in main would stop this cold. (rest of the roachs at nat/3rd). If you drop sentries into roachs they will only be able to get 1 ff off, and you still have roachs in main to defend. 2 queens in main + the spore are enough to prevent the pheo/voids from killing the roachs. What MC was doing was also an all in, as he had no way of securing his third vs 3 base mass roach after investing that much into tech. All in? Do you know what an all in is? It is all in because if the attack failed, he would have had a hard time winning. That map has a VERY hard to take third PvZ and against a zerg already on 3 bases, investing that much into tech that early would have made an already very hard to take third impossible to secure, ending up as a droned up 3 base zerg vs a 2 base toss. Pretty much it was all in because he would have been far behind if it didn't work, as his stargate play did minimal damage. No, an all in is when someone puts everything on the line in one play. The game is over for them completely after the play and there is ZERO chance at all coming back from it (like 2 rax and bringing all your scvs). This is not an all in what so ever because he was still on 2 base saturation and if the attack didn't initially work he could have easily came back and tried something else.
You guys are right, All-in is the wrong word to use here. What I am trying to get at is if Idra just had a few roachs in his main MC would have been in a spot where he was behind. He was going for colli while Idra was about to make 10+ mutas/corrupters, and it would have been a very uphill battle for MC to win from that point on.
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On November 20 2011 13:38 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 13:23 SCST wrote:On November 20 2011 13:19 figq wrote:On November 20 2011 13:17 Plethoric wrote:
For the second day in a row, I'm disappointed by the Providence crowd. They just seem bored and uninspired. Where are the real SC2 fans this weekend? That's not true, during the day they are really excited, but like in every MLG, by the very end of the night they are tired / reduced in numbers. It's a tough event. Sorry but Anaheim and Columbus crowds never died down and never left early. You can watch those vods if you want, or look it up on youtube. If you want a hyped crowd you have to go where the hyped up fans are apparently. It must be a problem with the mics or something. The whole stadium was packed by the end, hard to get around at all. all the seats were full as well as the aisles and the walls. And we were all cheering. Keep in mind that a significant portion was even watching the other games, as this tournament was so stacked that sometimes the best games weren't on the main stage. And only the red stream gets the crowd noises. Finally yesterday the matches were sort of eh until the very end(red stream wise, anyway), as it was just koreans vs diamond players. Not very exciting ^^
Huh, mic issues? I'm surprised and if this is the case then MLG really needs to ramp up the mic volume so the stream can feel the energy of the crowd. Adds a new element to the sporting event in my opinion. Hearing the fans chanting for Boxer at Anaheim was a big moment in E-sports for me.
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Oh man.... TLO vs Spanishiwa..... what games.... what games!!! XD
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On November 20 2011 13:37 Fubi wrote:
Does anyone else also feel that this MLG is less exciting (relatively) than you thought it would? Don't be mistaken, it is still good, it's just I thought it would be SOOO much better seeing as it is the "finaly" sort of thing with so many good players, but so far none of the games really boiled my blood so far like the other MLGs have.
I think it's just less exciting to see Koreans at a foreign event relatively. It's still great of course, but it was AMAZING at first, and we're just used to it now. We're probably a little sick of Koreans smashing all but the top 3-4 non Koreans also. That's how I feel at least. It's a lot more exciting when the games are close and you don't know who's going to win. Also, the korean vs korean matches are less interesting. They're still amazing games, but GSL is always on for that.
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On November 20 2011 13:24 Haffi wrote:
Force Fields > Greg Fields
haha, nice one
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On November 20 2011 13:40 Desert Fox wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 13:38 iky43210 wrote:
MLG seeded system only allows very few people to make it through open bracket. So having 40 koreans or 10 koreans participating don't make a dime difference, only few gets through anyway Year long tournaments designed to reward year long participants should reward year long participants. I hope that makes sense.
Hope you realize this system doesn't really work for SC2, where the scene involves much more than just the Americans. You can't realistically expect all the Europeans and Koreans to dedicate their time AND money coming to every event. And also, SC2 is a game that shifts super fast; look at the top players at the beginning of the year compare to now, 80-90% of them are different. Therefore you can't reward players simply because they've been coming to every tournament, as that would risk allowing mediocre players or players that have fallen out of the top to be seeded high.
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On November 20 2011 13:37 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 13:33 Vodh wrote:On November 20 2011 13:29 SilverLeagueElite wrote:On November 20 2011 13:16 gruff wrote:On November 20 2011 13:13 SoKHo wrote:On November 20 2011 13:12 Femari wrote:![[image loading]](http://i42.tinypic.com/18hp92.gif) just feel like this should be reposted before i get off go go mc! I was laughing so hard, when he did that. People flamed the shit out of naniwa for thumbs downing nestea, but wasn't as severe when MC did this. So weird MC got a lot of flack in the GSL when thumbing down opponents and being cocky before they got used to it. The bashers have simply gotten tired of him and are looking for a new target. MC and Idra have charisma. Naniwa not so much. Exactly. Idra's just so over the top that it's kind of charming, and with MC it's all a pretty cool act and a well designed image. Naniwa is neither - just sometimes acts like a dick. Naniwa reminds me of like a spoiled kid. Thinks he deserves stuff when he doesn't, won't own up to his own mistakes, disses things when it was his fault, and then just acts superior and like a dick for no reason. So sorta like a spoiled brat. If he could get rid of that I'd like him but it's hard to like a childish person. I like his play, don't like his personality.
this is exactly how Id describe Idra. Not that I like naniwa nor trying to defend him but claiming that Idra has some sort of personality that warrents BM is just beyond me. He is the master of acting superior and being a dick for no reason. He is the master of never thinking anything is his mistake and always claiming hes actually better then the opponent. Charisma, if Idra nor Naniwa are the charismatic players on the scene something is very very wrong. I think they both feel pathetic in their behaviour
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