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On November 20 2011 13:26 Toppp wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 13:24 Femari wrote:On November 20 2011 13:23 pdd wrote:On November 20 2011 13:19 Grettin wrote:On November 20 2011 13:17 Sixotanaka wrote:On November 20 2011 13:14 Grettin wrote:On November 20 2011 13:13 Ruscour wrote:
What's going on with Reddit right now? Massive witch hunt about NaNiwa's bad manner, when IdrA et al are loved and revered across the subreddit for doing so. Man those people are dumb.
Has there been similar complaints here? Haven't been following the LR too closely. This thread got closed after that match. But Naniwa somewhat deserves it here though, he acted really immature there. (not just the "ceremony") Calling MLG a "fucking joke" was going a bit too far, but if I was versing NesTea in a deciding match, after confirming with an admin, and then finding out that the map was completely different to what I thought? I'd be pretty pissed, and so would you. If IdrA was in that position, we all know there would have been a shitstorm that would rival the tornado that hit last MLG. Considering Naniwa's past, a single line of text and then immediate acceptance is a pretty large step forward. I agree that everyone would be mad, but as a represent of one of the biggest and oldest teams in the e-sport scene, you simply don't act so unprofessionally. Yeah. But MLG should give him a warning or a technical or whatever and then make his managers talk to him about his behavior. I agree that he should have been penalized in some way and given a stern warning. People complaining about it and calling him BM and stuff and discrediting his win and saying he doesn't deserve it or whatever is silly really. He was given a technical, which means when he plays HuK tmw if he loses game 1 HuK gets to choose the second map as well iirc and then a second tech costs him a game or something Actually, 3 technicals cost a game, and It would be rather hard to acquire that many.. although if there would be a person to do it, it would be Naniwa.
I completely agree with this, lol
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Look, TL always had a bit of a Zerg bias, so whenever a zerg loses you kinda tiptoe around the place a bit and try to look away ;D just a tip to have more of a happy happy time here ;D
(it's similar in BW to tell you because your sig would make me think you would come to the greener side of TL ;p)
Amen brother, also go SKT1!
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On November 20 2011 13:26 Shurayuki wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 13:23 SoKHo wrote:On November 20 2011 13:21 sparklyresidue wrote:On November 20 2011 13:14 SoKHo wrote:On November 20 2011 13:13 sparklyresidue wrote:On November 20 2011 13:13 SoKHo wrote:On November 20 2011 13:12 Femari wrote:![[image loading]](http://i42.tinypic.com/18hp92.gif) just feel like this should be reposted before i get off go go mc! I was laughing so hard, when he did that. People flamed the shit out of naniwa for thumbs downing nestea, but wasn't as severe when MC did this. So weird Thumbs downing is somewhat mean spirited. This is just awesome! You do realize MC did the "thumbs down" to idra @ Columbus right? And yet, MC is more personable and doesn't seem like as much as a raging asshole. Hm. What raging asshole? You honestly think Naniwa did that b/c he was a raging asshole? lmao Look, TL always had a bit of a Zerg bias, so whenever a zerg loses you kinda tiptoe around the place a bit and try to look away ;D just a tip to have more of a happy happy time here ;D (it's similar in BW to tell you because your sig would make me think you would come to the greener side of TL ;p) haha great pagetop!
I think Naniwa acts like an asshole in general, so when he does BM, even if it is minor (like a thumbs down) it reflects more poorly on his character than it would with someone who seems like a nicer chap. Durr.
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I would like HuK not to PvP his way to an MLG win. I just want to see more of his awesomeness versus T and Z too. Maybe vs DRG and then vs MVP or Bomber or MKP or something. Him being top seed means that he doesn't play much, I'm a bit sad as a fan 
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On November 20 2011 13:27 NGrNecris wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 13:25 Toppp wrote:On November 20 2011 13:21 AndAgain wrote:On November 20 2011 13:18 Toppp wrote:On November 20 2011 13:13 Ruscour wrote:
What's going on with Reddit right now? Massive witch hunt about NaNiwa's bad manner, when IdrA et al are loved and revered across the subreddit for doing so. Man those people are dumb.
Has there been similar complaints here? Haven't been following the LR too closely. Apparently NanIwa hosted the wrong map and blamed the admins for it and called the tournament a joke, delaying the broadcast. NanIwa comes off as a arrogant, bitter person to alot of people ( me included ) because of the childish way he acts. He's very good but if he want's to be respected by most, he needs to grow up, it's not really just this one thing but the way his attitude in general. I'm pretty sure that the admins are the ones who host the maps. They told Naniwa that it's cross spawn only. Naturally, Naniwa was pissed that he scouted the wrong way. On November 20 2011 13:21 AndAgain wrote:On November 20 2011 13:18 Toppp wrote:On November 20 2011 13:13 Ruscour wrote:
What's going on with Reddit right now? Massive witch hunt about NaNiwa's bad manner, when IdrA et al are loved and revered across the subreddit for doing so. Man those people are dumb.
Has there been similar complaints here? Haven't been following the LR too closely. Apparently NanIwa hosted the wrong map and blamed the admins for it and called the tournament a joke, delaying the broadcast. NanIwa comes off as a arrogant, bitter person to alot of people ( me included ) because of the childish way he acts. He's very good but if he want's to be respected by most, he needs to grow up, it's not really just this one thing but the way his attitude in general. I'm pretty sure that the admins are the ones who host the maps. They told Naniwa that it's cross spawn only. Naturally, Naniwa was pissed that he scouted the wrong way. Edit: not to mention that his build may have been based on far positions. Sundance posted on Reddit that NanIwa hosted the map, not the admin and proceeded to blame it on the Ref;.. so I'm assuming he's correct. His username was Sundanced right? just making sure
Apparently so, copy of his post:
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On November 20 2011 13:22 dae wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 13:17 hitpoint wrote:On November 20 2011 13:14 Snowen wrote:On November 20 2011 13:11 Zealot Lord wrote:
Could be wrong, but doesn't a spore at the ramp with some lings stop the sentry drop cold ? I've seen some zergs do it on stream before and I'm pretty sure its intended to stop the ramp forcefield tactics. ding ding ding! Also roach tunnelling claws, IdrA would of held that even without the spore. Tunneling claws and burrow is an awful huge investment to prevent a strategy that the protoss can do almost whenever he wants after a warp prism is out. Especially when the protoss can just fly away and lose nothing if he chooses. My thoughts are that 6ish roachs at the top of the ramp + 1 spore at ramp + 2 queens in main would stop this cold. (rest of the roachs at nat/3rd). If you drop sentries into roachs they will only be able to get 1 ff off, and you still have roachs in main to defend. 2 queens in main + the spore are enough to prevent the pheo/voids from killing the roachs. What MC was doing was also an all in, as he had no way of securing his third vs 3 base mass roach after investing that much into tech.
All in? Do you know what an all in is?
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On November 20 2011 13:27 SCST wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 13:26 Toppp wrote:On November 20 2011 13:24 Femari wrote:On November 20 2011 13:23 pdd wrote:On November 20 2011 13:19 Grettin wrote:On November 20 2011 13:17 Sixotanaka wrote:On November 20 2011 13:14 Grettin wrote:On November 20 2011 13:13 Ruscour wrote:
What's going on with Reddit right now? Massive witch hunt about NaNiwa's bad manner, when IdrA et al are loved and revered across the subreddit for doing so. Man those people are dumb.
Has there been similar complaints here? Haven't been following the LR too closely. This thread got closed after that match. But Naniwa somewhat deserves it here though, he acted really immature there. (not just the "ceremony") Calling MLG a "fucking joke" was going a bit too far, but if I was versing NesTea in a deciding match, after confirming with an admin, and then finding out that the map was completely different to what I thought? I'd be pretty pissed, and so would you. If IdrA was in that position, we all know there would have been a shitstorm that would rival the tornado that hit last MLG. Considering Naniwa's past, a single line of text and then immediate acceptance is a pretty large step forward. I agree that everyone would be mad, but as a represent of one of the biggest and oldest teams in the e-sport scene, you simply don't act so unprofessionally. Yeah. But MLG should give him a warning or a technical or whatever and then make his managers talk to him about his behavior. I agree that he should have been penalized in some way and given a stern warning. People complaining about it and calling him BM and stuff and discrediting his win and saying he doesn't deserve it or whatever is silly really. He was given a technical, which means when he plays HuK tmw if he loses game 1 HuK gets to choose the second map as well iirc and then a second tech costs him a game or something Actually, 3 technicals cost a game, and It would be rather hard to acquire that many.. although if there would be a person to do it, it would be Naniwa. I completely agree with this, lol
Major could do it. He has the power and lack of common sense.
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On November 20 2011 13:16 gruff wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 13:13 SoKHo wrote:On November 20 2011 13:12 Femari wrote:just feel like this should be reposted before i get off go go mc! I was laughing so hard, when he did that. People flamed the shit out of naniwa for thumbs downing nestea, but wasn't as severe when MC did this. So weird MC got a lot of flack in the GSL when thumbing down opponents and being cocky before they got used to it. The bashers have simply gotten tired of him and are looking for a new target.
MC and Idra have charisma. Naniwa not so much.
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Lol the proposition was adorable. Congrats to that couple
Haters don't know about love
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Why the hell wasn't an admin hosting the maps? Letting the inmates run the asylum here.
This is getting worse, not better -_-
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On November 20 2011 13:24 Haffi wrote:
Force Fields > Greg Fields
good one
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On November 20 2011 13:27 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 13:22 Femari wrote:On November 20 2011 13:21 Moralez wrote:
Sundance said this on reddit:
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He chose the wrong map then freaked. Delayed the broadcast and lashed out. It's not our job to make sure he knows which maps have crosses and which do not. He also chose before the admin went in to talk to him.
Onward and upward...
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So yeah he had no right to complain at all, just classic naniwa. oh wow yeah he just is. just wow. no words. Naniwa historically has bad character when he really needs to be professional. Remember the NASL? I'm not gonna BM him, but he really needs to think about his actions. You can't just BM the tournament organization you're playing in on the MAIN STAGE. I'm surrpised they didn't fine him or penalize him because that would happen in ANY other sports league. Be grateful that you get to play in the tournament and they're giving you prize money. Anyways, this type of behavior has come up in the past quite often, and it was a big deal when he was joining dignitas and starting his sc2 career, but now it seems like he's been slacking and not paying attention.
He BM-ed NASL after he withdrew from it. And also it wasn't BM. He was just criticizing the fact that they had to play on the laggy NA server at very tight schedule. So I don't know how you can really call that unprofessional or anything (compared to some of the other withdrawals which have happened in NASL - *cough*Fenix/Painuser*cough*).
The last BM thing of note he did was not gg-ing during his GSL game. But other than that he has been relatively well mannered, compared to his old days.
EDIT: Having said that his actions today against MLG was inexcusable.
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On November 20 2011 13:28 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 13:27 SCST wrote:On November 20 2011 13:26 Toppp wrote:On November 20 2011 13:24 Femari wrote:On November 20 2011 13:23 pdd wrote:On November 20 2011 13:19 Grettin wrote:On November 20 2011 13:17 Sixotanaka wrote:On November 20 2011 13:14 Grettin wrote:On November 20 2011 13:13 Ruscour wrote:
What's going on with Reddit right now? Massive witch hunt about NaNiwa's bad manner, when IdrA et al are loved and revered across the subreddit for doing so. Man those people are dumb.
Has there been similar complaints here? Haven't been following the LR too closely. This thread got closed after that match. But Naniwa somewhat deserves it here though, he acted really immature there. (not just the "ceremony") Calling MLG a "fucking joke" was going a bit too far, but if I was versing NesTea in a deciding match, after confirming with an admin, and then finding out that the map was completely different to what I thought? I'd be pretty pissed, and so would you. If IdrA was in that position, we all know there would have been a shitstorm that would rival the tornado that hit last MLG. Considering Naniwa's past, a single line of text and then immediate acceptance is a pretty large step forward. I agree that everyone would be mad, but as a represent of one of the biggest and oldest teams in the e-sport scene, you simply don't act so unprofessionally. Yeah. But MLG should give him a warning or a technical or whatever and then make his managers talk to him about his behavior. I agree that he should have been penalized in some way and given a stern warning. People complaining about it and calling him BM and stuff and discrediting his win and saying he doesn't deserve it or whatever is silly really. He was given a technical, which means when he plays HuK tmw if he loses game 1 HuK gets to choose the second map as well iirc and then a second tech costs him a game or something Actually, 3 technicals cost a game, and It would be rather hard to acquire that many.. although if there would be a person to do it, it would be Naniwa. I completely agree with this, lol Major could do it. He has the power and lack of common sense.
If only we could merge Naniwa's strategic skill with TLO's personality and beard, we'd have a true People's Champion. Let the archon begin!
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On November 20 2011 13:20 SCST wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 13:17 Plethoric wrote:
For the second day in a row, I'm disappointed by the Providence crowd. They just seem bored and uninspired. Where are the real SC2 fans this weekend? Yeah, they really need to take a hint from this and just host these tournaments in major cities from now on. Anaheim was a blast with the crowd as excited as they were . . . providence fans, for the most part, seem knocked out on cold medicine or something.
Right now I have the flu. A runny nose, a headache, shivers, a sore throat and am tired from watching a whole day of starcraft...
But I'll tell you this, I'm gonna pick my buddies up tomorrow even with all that, head over to Calgary Barcraft and fucking clap my hands off and cheer as loud as I can because I fucking love this game. If we had MLG Vancouver I'd get a massive roadtrip of Calgarians heading over there.
These Rhode Island spectators really need to step up their game.
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On November 20 2011 13:29 SilverLeagueElite wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 13:16 gruff wrote:On November 20 2011 13:13 SoKHo wrote:On November 20 2011 13:12 Femari wrote:just feel like this should be reposted before i get off go go mc! I was laughing so hard, when he did that. People flamed the shit out of naniwa for thumbs downing nestea, but wasn't as severe when MC did this. So weird MC got a lot of flack in the GSL when thumbing down opponents and being cocky before they got used to it. The bashers have simply gotten tired of him and are looking for a new target. MC and Idra have charisma. Naniwa not so much.
So just because a player doesn't have charisma according to you he isn't allowed to do cermonies? Sounds logical...
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On November 20 2011 13:29 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 13:27 Itsmedudeman wrote:On November 20 2011 13:22 Femari wrote:On November 20 2011 13:21 Moralez wrote:
Sundance said this on reddit:
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He chose the wrong map then freaked. Delayed the broadcast and lashed out. It's not our job to make sure he knows which maps have crosses and which do not. He also chose before the admin went in to talk to him.
Onward and upward...
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So yeah he had no right to complain at all, just classic naniwa. oh wow yeah he just is. just wow. no words. Naniwa historically has bad character when he really needs to be professional. Remember the NASL? I'm not gonna BM him, but he really needs to think about his actions. You can't just BM the tournament organization you're playing in on the MAIN STAGE. I'm surrpised they didn't fine him or penalize him because that would happen in ANY other sports league. Be grateful that you get to play in the tournament and they're giving you prize money. Anyways, this type of behavior has come up in the past quite often, and it was a big deal when he was joining dignitas and starting his sc2 career, but now it seems like he's been slacking and not paying attention. He BM-ed NASL after he withdrew from it. So I don't know how you can really call that unprofessional or anything (compared to some of the other withdrawals which have happened in NASL - *cough*Fenix/Painuser*cough*). The last BM thing of note he did was not gg-ing during his GSL game. But other than that he has been relatively well mannered, compared to his old days.
No, actually, he BM'd NASL IN GAME RIGHT BEFORE HE LEFT GAME 3 and lost.
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On November 20 2011 13:30 canikizu wrote:
Is today over?
yeah finished ~30 mins ago
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On November 20 2011 13:29 SilverLeagueElite wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 13:16 gruff wrote:On November 20 2011 13:13 SoKHo wrote:On November 20 2011 13:12 Femari wrote:just feel like this should be reposted before i get off go go mc! I was laughing so hard, when he did that. People flamed the shit out of naniwa for thumbs downing nestea, but wasn't as severe when MC did this. So weird MC got a lot of flack in the GSL when thumbing down opponents and being cocky before they got used to it. The bashers have simply gotten tired of him and are looking for a new target. MC and Idra have charisma. Naniwa not so much.
IdrA does not have charisma, rofl.
MC kind of does, but in a goofy way. I wouldn't really call that charisma. Charisma is Boxer or NaDa, IMO. Grubby, too.
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On November 20 2011 13:29 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 13:27 Itsmedudeman wrote:On November 20 2011 13:22 Femari wrote:On November 20 2011 13:21 Moralez wrote:
Sundance said this on reddit:
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He chose the wrong map then freaked. Delayed the broadcast and lashed out. It's not our job to make sure he knows which maps have crosses and which do not. He also chose before the admin went in to talk to him.
Onward and upward...
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So yeah he had no right to complain at all, just classic naniwa. oh wow yeah he just is. just wow. no words. Naniwa historically has bad character when he really needs to be professional. Remember the NASL? I'm not gonna BM him, but he really needs to think about his actions. You can't just BM the tournament organization you're playing in on the MAIN STAGE. I'm surrpised they didn't fine him or penalize him because that would happen in ANY other sports league. Be grateful that you get to play in the tournament and they're giving you prize money. Anyways, this type of behavior has come up in the past quite often, and it was a big deal when he was joining dignitas and starting his sc2 career, but now it seems like he's been slacking and not paying attention. He BM-ed NASL after he withdrew from it. And also it wasn't BM. He was just criticizing the fact that they had to play on the laggy NA server at very tight schedule. So I don't know how you can really call that unprofessional or anything (compared to some of the other withdrawals which have happened in NASL - *cough*Fenix/Painuser*cough*). The last BM thing of note he did was not gg-ing during his GSL game. But other than that he has been relatively well mannered, compared to his old days.
Early "months" of SC2. ESL incident, being 'brat' at homestorycup etc. But apparently his old days in WC3 was even worse..
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