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Force Fields > Greg Fields
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On November 20 2011 13:23 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 13:19 Grettin wrote:On November 20 2011 13:17 Sixotanaka wrote:On November 20 2011 13:14 Grettin wrote:On November 20 2011 13:13 Ruscour wrote:
What's going on with Reddit right now? Massive witch hunt about NaNiwa's bad manner, when IdrA et al are loved and revered across the subreddit for doing so. Man those people are dumb.
Has there been similar complaints here? Haven't been following the LR too closely. This thread got closed after that match. But Naniwa somewhat deserves it here though, he acted really immature there. (not just the "ceremony") Calling MLG a "fucking joke" was going a bit too far, but if I was versing NesTea in a deciding match, after confirming with an admin, and then finding out that the map was completely different to what I thought? I'd be pretty pissed, and so would you. If IdrA was in that position, we all know there would have been a shitstorm that would rival the tornado that hit last MLG. Considering Naniwa's past, a single line of text and then immediate acceptance is a pretty large step forward. I agree that everyone would be mad, but as a represent of one of the biggest and oldest teams in the e-sport scene, you simply don't act so unprofessionally. Yeah. But MLG should give him a warning or a technical or whatever and then make his managers talk to him about his behavior. I agree that he should have been penalized in some way and given a stern warning. People complaining about it and calling him BM and stuff and discrediting his win and saying he doesn't deserve it or whatever is silly really.
He was given a technical, which means when he plays HuK tmw if he loses game 1 HuK gets to choose the second map as well iirc and then a second tech costs him a game or something
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On November 20 2011 13:18 Horse...falcon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 13:16 Captain Peabody wrote:
It's a shame they couldn't get Dustin Browder here to co-cast with Rob Simpson. A classic SC2 casting duo if there ever was one! Even better. Pair him up with Mr. Bitter or Artosis. The little jabs at Zerg/Protoss weaknesses will slowly drive him mad.
Ahahaha... Seriously, isn't anyone from MLG reading this? Make it happen!
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This has been such a sweet day of Starcraft. :D
Too bad the MLG player hates me (it's mutual) and that one part of the community is as it is. It's really tiring.
But yeah, awesome competition.
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On November 20 2011 13:24 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 13:23 pdd wrote:On November 20 2011 13:19 Grettin wrote:On November 20 2011 13:17 Sixotanaka wrote:On November 20 2011 13:14 Grettin wrote:On November 20 2011 13:13 Ruscour wrote:
What's going on with Reddit right now? Massive witch hunt about NaNiwa's bad manner, when IdrA et al are loved and revered across the subreddit for doing so. Man those people are dumb.
Has there been similar complaints here? Haven't been following the LR too closely. This thread got closed after that match. But Naniwa somewhat deserves it here though, he acted really immature there. (not just the "ceremony") Calling MLG a "fucking joke" was going a bit too far, but if I was versing NesTea in a deciding match, after confirming with an admin, and then finding out that the map was completely different to what I thought? I'd be pretty pissed, and so would you. If IdrA was in that position, we all know there would have been a shitstorm that would rival the tornado that hit last MLG. Considering Naniwa's past, a single line of text and then immediate acceptance is a pretty large step forward. I agree that everyone would be mad, but as a represent of one of the biggest and oldest teams in the e-sport scene, you simply don't act so unprofessionally. Yeah. But MLG should give him a warning or a technical or whatever and then make his managers talk to him about his behavior. I agree that he should have been penalized in some way and given a stern warning. People complaining about it and calling him BM and stuff and discrediting his win and saying he doesn't deserve it or whatever is silly really. He was given a technical, which means when he plays HuK tmw if he loses game 1 HuK gets to choose the second map as well iirc and then a second tech costs him a game or something
I thought Slasher said that they haven't confirmed the technical yet?
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On November 20 2011 13:21 AndAgain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 13:18 Toppp wrote:On November 20 2011 13:13 Ruscour wrote:
What's going on with Reddit right now? Massive witch hunt about NaNiwa's bad manner, when IdrA et al are loved and revered across the subreddit for doing so. Man those people are dumb.
Has there been similar complaints here? Haven't been following the LR too closely. Apparently NanIwa hosted the wrong map and blamed the admins for it and called the tournament a joke, delaying the broadcast. NanIwa comes off as a arrogant, bitter person to alot of people ( me included ) because of the childish way he acts. He's very good but if he want's to be respected by most, he needs to grow up, it's not really just this one thing but the way his attitude in general. I'm pretty sure that the admins are the ones who host the maps. They told Naniwa that it's cross spawn only. Naturally, Naniwa was pissed that he scouted the wrong way.
On November 20 2011 13:21 AndAgain wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 13:18 Toppp wrote:On November 20 2011 13:13 Ruscour wrote:
What's going on with Reddit right now? Massive witch hunt about NaNiwa's bad manner, when IdrA et al are loved and revered across the subreddit for doing so. Man those people are dumb.
Has there been similar complaints here? Haven't been following the LR too closely. Apparently NanIwa hosted the wrong map and blamed the admins for it and called the tournament a joke, delaying the broadcast. NanIwa comes off as a arrogant, bitter person to alot of people ( me included ) because of the childish way he acts. He's very good but if he want's to be respected by most, he needs to grow up, it's not really just this one thing but the way his attitude in general. I'm pretty sure that the admins are the ones who host the maps. They told Naniwa that it's cross spawn only. Naturally, Naniwa was pissed that he scouted the wrong way. Edit: not to mention that his build may have been based on far positions.
Sundance posted on Reddit that NanIwa hosted the map, not the admin and proceeded to blame it on the Ref;.. so I'm assuming he's correct.
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On November 20 2011 13:23 SoKHo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 13:21 sparklyresidue wrote:On November 20 2011 13:14 SoKHo wrote:On November 20 2011 13:13 sparklyresidue wrote:On November 20 2011 13:13 SoKHo wrote:On November 20 2011 13:12 Femari wrote:![[image loading]](http://i42.tinypic.com/18hp92.gif) just feel like this should be reposted before i get off go go mc! I was laughing so hard, when he did that. People flamed the shit out of naniwa for thumbs downing nestea, but wasn't as severe when MC did this. So weird Thumbs downing is somewhat mean spirited. This is just awesome! You do realize MC did the "thumbs down" to idra @ Columbus right? And yet, MC is more personable and doesn't seem like as much as a raging asshole. Hm. What raging asshole? You honestly think Naniwa did that b/c he was a raging asshole? lmao
Look, TL always had a bit of a Zerg bias, so whenever a zerg loses you kinda tiptoe around the place a bit and try to look away ;D just a tip to have more of a happy happy time here ;D
(it's similar in BW to tell you because your sig would make me think you would come to the greener side of TL ;p)
On November 20 2011 13:24 Haffi wrote:
Force Fields > Greg Fields
haha great pagetop!
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Congratulations on your performance.
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On November 20 2011 13:23 OrangeSoda wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 13:21 SharkHuh wrote:
Looking at the Championship brackets...can we finally claim that Terran is not imba? People just needed time to adjust to their play style?
I mean most of the bracket in the later stages is non terran. We just have a crap ton of TvT early on tomorrow well emp got nerfed and protoss got buffed, so yer.
Yeah we saw a lot of emp games today.
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On November 20 2011 13:22 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 13:21 Moralez wrote:
Sundance said this on reddit:
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He chose the wrong map then freaked. Delayed the broadcast and lashed out. It's not our job to make sure he knows which maps have crosses and which do not. He also chose before the admin went in to talk to him.
Onward and upward...
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So yeah he had no right to complain at all, just classic naniwa. oh wow yeah he just is. just wow. no words.
It is BS that every tournament has its own version of each map and doesn't inform the player where the spawns are. Its not like they couldn't do it, on the screen, during the loading of the game. You know, that time when nothing is happening.
That being said, Naniwa,\ needs to take a chill pill. But that will come with time.
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On November 20 2011 13:22 dae wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 13:17 hitpoint wrote:On November 20 2011 13:14 Snowen wrote:On November 20 2011 13:11 Zealot Lord wrote:
Could be wrong, but doesn't a spore at the ramp with some lings stop the sentry drop cold ? I've seen some zergs do it on stream before and I'm pretty sure its intended to stop the ramp forcefield tactics. ding ding ding! Also roach tunnelling claws, IdrA would of held that even without the spore. Tunneling claws and burrow is an awful huge investment to prevent a strategy that the protoss can do almost whenever he wants after a warp prism is out. Especially when the protoss can just fly away and lose nothing if he chooses. My thoughts are that 6ish roachs at the top of the ramp + 1 spore at ramp + 2 queens in main would stop this cold. (rest of the roachs at nat/3rd). If you drop sentries into roachs they will only be able to get 1 ff off, and you still have roachs in main to defend. 2 queens in main + the spore are enough to prevent the pheo/voids from killing the roachs. What MC was doing was also an all in, as he had no way of securing his third vs 3 base mass roach after investing that much into tech.
I think zergs are going to need to make all their tech at their natural except for the pool also, maybe there's hope for some kind of strong counter attack.
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On November 20 2011 13:25 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 13:24 Femari wrote:On November 20 2011 13:23 pdd wrote:On November 20 2011 13:19 Grettin wrote:On November 20 2011 13:17 Sixotanaka wrote:On November 20 2011 13:14 Grettin wrote:On November 20 2011 13:13 Ruscour wrote:
What's going on with Reddit right now? Massive witch hunt about NaNiwa's bad manner, when IdrA et al are loved and revered across the subreddit for doing so. Man those people are dumb.
Has there been similar complaints here? Haven't been following the LR too closely. This thread got closed after that match. But Naniwa somewhat deserves it here though, he acted really immature there. (not just the "ceremony") Calling MLG a "fucking joke" was going a bit too far, but if I was versing NesTea in a deciding match, after confirming with an admin, and then finding out that the map was completely different to what I thought? I'd be pretty pissed, and so would you. If IdrA was in that position, we all know there would have been a shitstorm that would rival the tornado that hit last MLG. Considering Naniwa's past, a single line of text and then immediate acceptance is a pretty large step forward. I agree that everyone would be mad, but as a represent of one of the biggest and oldest teams in the e-sport scene, you simply don't act so unprofessionally. Yeah. But MLG should give him a warning or a technical or whatever and then make his managers talk to him about his behavior. I agree that he should have been penalized in some way and given a stern warning. People complaining about it and calling him BM and stuff and discrediting his win and saying he doesn't deserve it or whatever is silly really. He was given a technical, which means when he plays HuK tmw if he loses game 1 HuK gets to choose the second map as well iirc and then a second tech costs him a game or something I thought Slasher said that they haven't confirmed the technical yet?
im pretty sure an mlg official confirmed it on twitter
but when you pause the game, diss mlg for your mistakes, and then use the pause to think about your build, it's pretty much an automatic technical
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On November 20 2011 13:25 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 13:24 Femari wrote:On November 20 2011 13:23 pdd wrote:On November 20 2011 13:19 Grettin wrote:On November 20 2011 13:17 Sixotanaka wrote:On November 20 2011 13:14 Grettin wrote:On November 20 2011 13:13 Ruscour wrote:
What's going on with Reddit right now? Massive witch hunt about NaNiwa's bad manner, when IdrA et al are loved and revered across the subreddit for doing so. Man those people are dumb.
Has there been similar complaints here? Haven't been following the LR too closely. This thread got closed after that match. But Naniwa somewhat deserves it here though, he acted really immature there. (not just the "ceremony") Calling MLG a "fucking joke" was going a bit too far, but if I was versing NesTea in a deciding match, after confirming with an admin, and then finding out that the map was completely different to what I thought? I'd be pretty pissed, and so would you. If IdrA was in that position, we all know there would have been a shitstorm that would rival the tornado that hit last MLG. Considering Naniwa's past, a single line of text and then immediate acceptance is a pretty large step forward. I agree that everyone would be mad, but as a represent of one of the biggest and oldest teams in the e-sport scene, you simply don't act so unprofessionally. Yeah. But MLG should give him a warning or a technical or whatever and then make his managers talk to him about his behavior. I agree that he should have been penalized in some way and given a stern warning. People complaining about it and calling him BM and stuff and discrediting his win and saying he doesn't deserve it or whatever is silly really. He was given a technical, which means when he plays HuK tmw if he loses game 1 HuK gets to choose the second map as well iirc and then a second tech costs him a game or something I thought Slasher said that they haven't confirmed the technical yet?
That is correct. Unless new info out there.
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On November 20 2011 13:24 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 13:23 pdd wrote:On November 20 2011 13:19 Grettin wrote:On November 20 2011 13:17 Sixotanaka wrote:On November 20 2011 13:14 Grettin wrote:On November 20 2011 13:13 Ruscour wrote:
What's going on with Reddit right now? Massive witch hunt about NaNiwa's bad manner, when IdrA et al are loved and revered across the subreddit for doing so. Man those people are dumb.
Has there been similar complaints here? Haven't been following the LR too closely. This thread got closed after that match. But Naniwa somewhat deserves it here though, he acted really immature there. (not just the "ceremony") Calling MLG a "fucking joke" was going a bit too far, but if I was versing NesTea in a deciding match, after confirming with an admin, and then finding out that the map was completely different to what I thought? I'd be pretty pissed, and so would you. If IdrA was in that position, we all know there would have been a shitstorm that would rival the tornado that hit last MLG. Considering Naniwa's past, a single line of text and then immediate acceptance is a pretty large step forward. I agree that everyone would be mad, but as a represent of one of the biggest and oldest teams in the e-sport scene, you simply don't act so unprofessionally. Yeah. But MLG should give him a warning or a technical or whatever and then make his managers talk to him about his behavior. I agree that he should have been penalized in some way and given a stern warning. People complaining about it and calling him BM and stuff and discrediting his win and saying he doesn't deserve it or whatever is silly really. He was given a technical, which means when he plays HuK tmw if he loses game 1 HuK gets to choose the second map as well iirc and then a second tech costs him a game or something
Actually, 3 technicals cost a game, and It would be rather hard to acquire that many.. although if there would be a person to do it, it would be Naniwa.
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Sounds very odd if the player hosts the map. I would imagine that MLG would be more professional than that
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On November 20 2011 13:22 MuseMike wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 12:57 sc14s wrote:
what can a zerg do against that? x_X i really have no idea as i always lose if something like that happens perhaps generally more overlord spread and split armys a bit more? idk Watch huk vs aria on youtube. His OL spread lets him know when everything is coming, IdrA did not have that at all. It is difficult to stop though.
Are you sure that you want to have an overloard spread vs phoenixes and voidrays?
You need to leave 5-6 roaches in the main cause that's the amount you need to 1 shot sentries.
I can't rly see a way for Z to properly deal with it. The thing is that the Z anti-air is very limited in the early game so there's no risk by going for this warp prism play. They can just fly away if they feel like it might fail.
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On November 20 2011 13:22 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 13:21 Moralez wrote:
Sundance said this on reddit:
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He chose the wrong map then freaked. Delayed the broadcast and lashed out. It's not our job to make sure he knows which maps have crosses and which do not. He also chose before the admin went in to talk to him.
Onward and upward...
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So yeah he had no right to complain at all, just classic naniwa. oh wow yeah he just is. just wow. no words.
Naniwa historically has bad character when he really needs to be professional. Remember the NASL? I'm not gonna BM him, but he really needs to think about his actions. You can't just BM the tournament organization you're playing in on the MAIN STAGE. I'm surrpised they didn't fine him or penalize him because that would happen in ANY other sports league. Be grateful that you get to play in the tournament and they're giving you prize money.
Anyways, this type of behavior has come up in the past quite often, and it was a big deal when he was joining dignitas and starting his sc2 career, but now it seems like he's been slacking and not paying attention.
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On November 20 2011 13:25 Toppp wrote:Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 13:21 AndAgain wrote:On November 20 2011 13:18 Toppp wrote:On November 20 2011 13:13 Ruscour wrote:
What's going on with Reddit right now? Massive witch hunt about NaNiwa's bad manner, when IdrA et al are loved and revered across the subreddit for doing so. Man those people are dumb.
Has there been similar complaints here? Haven't been following the LR too closely. Apparently NanIwa hosted the wrong map and blamed the admins for it and called the tournament a joke, delaying the broadcast. NanIwa comes off as a arrogant, bitter person to alot of people ( me included ) because of the childish way he acts. He's very good but if he want's to be respected by most, he needs to grow up, it's not really just this one thing but the way his attitude in general. I'm pretty sure that the admins are the ones who host the maps. They told Naniwa that it's cross spawn only. Naturally, Naniwa was pissed that he scouted the wrong way. Show nested quote +On November 20 2011 13:21 AndAgain wrote:On November 20 2011 13:18 Toppp wrote:On November 20 2011 13:13 Ruscour wrote:
What's going on with Reddit right now? Massive witch hunt about NaNiwa's bad manner, when IdrA et al are loved and revered across the subreddit for doing so. Man those people are dumb.
Has there been similar complaints here? Haven't been following the LR too closely. Apparently NanIwa hosted the wrong map and blamed the admins for it and called the tournament a joke, delaying the broadcast. NanIwa comes off as a arrogant, bitter person to alot of people ( me included ) because of the childish way he acts. He's very good but if he want's to be respected by most, he needs to grow up, it's not really just this one thing but the way his attitude in general. I'm pretty sure that the admins are the ones who host the maps. They told Naniwa that it's cross spawn only. Naturally, Naniwa was pissed that he scouted the wrong way. Edit: not to mention that his build may have been based on far positions. Sundance posted on Reddit that NanIwa hosted the map, not the admin and proceeded to blame it on the Ref;.. so I'm assuming he's correct.
His username was Sundanced right? just making sure
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