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Wow that was beautiful. GO SANGHO!
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On November 15 2011 21:27 Hassybaby wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 21:26 hewley wrote:On November 15 2011 21:26 Medrea wrote:
If tasteless loves Korea so much he should just move there! Eh he has. Dammit Medrea, don't mess with the newer people!
See it isn't as funny if I include /s or something.
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That was a sad zealot lol
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Wow that was an awesome drop
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On November 15 2011 21:26 bittman wrote:
Happy going for macro game.
10 bucks says someone will still say "Omg when will Happy ever go for a macro game?!?!?"
That and "bo1 sucks it's only cheese"
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United Kingdom10823 Posts
Wow...as if SangHo forced a bunker there
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United Kingdom38257 Posts
Ah, some more nice play!
Beautiful map specific strategy from Killer.
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37058 Posts
On November 15 2011 21:28 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 21:27 Seeker wrote:On November 15 2011 21:27 Seeker wrote:On November 15 2011 21:26 Seeker wrote:On November 15 2011 21:25 Seeker wrote:On November 15 2011 21:24 Seeker wrote:On November 15 2011 21:22 Seeker wrote:
Code S Ro16 Group B Game 4
(P) Killer
vs
(T) Happy
on Calm Before the Storm
Killer at top right
Happy at bottom left 2:25Killer scouts Happy's base Happy is going 1 rax double CC Oz expos as well 3:30Killer has gateway + gas on the way Happy chases out Killer's probe with his marine Happy now find Killer's base and sees his expo Happy snipes Killer's scouting probe 4:50Happy now hitting his 3rd CC Happy bunkers up his front Killer scouting with his zealot 6:20Happy increasing +2 barracks Killer seeing Happy's bunker Killer spawning a warp prism 7:30Killer has the xel'naga watch tower Happy adding 2 tech labs Killer has 4 sentries in his warp prism, heading to Happy's base 8:30Killer drops Happy's back expo Killer force fields the ramp and kills ALL of happy's SCVs Killer flies away with his warp prism, leaving one zealot to take one for the team Happy tries to reestablish his expo
9:50
Happy now at 4 barracks with add ons
Killer now taking his 3rd as well and has a colossus out
Happy starting his factory
Killer successfully scouting everything with observers
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On November 15 2011 21:24 westley10 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 21:23 Blacktion wrote:
Seriously though, is there a reason both players tried to take the middle bases?
Are they just used to doing it because it used to be gold?
It was one of the worst possible expos to take for alive, he had to lift his orbital like 4 times, if he had taken the left expo under his third he couldve been mining without interruption As a Terran you always want to expand towards your opponent in TvP or TvZ.
The key advantage that you exploit as a Terran is that you can get a PF and use that to augment your forces in a fight at the PF, such as the Golf on XNC.
That advantage doesn't really exist in this case, but that position is still a good place to expand because you can easily defend that base with your army always nearby and also the wide open spaces near the central Tower that gives vision and space for gratuitous flanks.
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On November 15 2011 21:29 rushian wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 21:26 bittman wrote:
Happy going for macro game.
10 bucks says someone will still say "Omg when will Happy ever go for a macro game?!?!?" That and "bo1 sucks it's only cheese"
Cheesers are still going to cheese and they don't give a damn whether it's BO1 or BO9.
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On November 15 2011 21:24 Hassybaby wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 21:23 Blacktion wrote:
Seriously though, is there a reason both players tried to take the middle bases?
Are they just used to doing it because it used to be gold?
It was one of the worst possible expos to take for alive, he had to lift his orbital like 4 times, if he had taken the left expo under his third he couldve been mining without interruption My theory? They think they can defend it easier compared to the side bases
P had no pylon to warp in an attack though, and the T is much more mobile than the P army, having a further base makes it easier to defend. Also that base was shit to defend because if you get forced off the Xel naga the P can hit your mineral line with collosi and stalkers on the high ground.
On November 15 2011 21:24 westley10 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 21:23 Blacktion wrote:
Seriously though, is there a reason both players tried to take the middle bases?
Are they just used to doing it because it used to be gold?
It was one of the worst possible expos to take for alive, he had to lift his orbital like 4 times, if he had taken the left expo under his third he couldve been mining without interruption As a Terran you always want to expand towards your opponent in TvP or TvZ.
Yeah because you can Planatary up and it gives you a strong rally/ fall back point. There he had a orbital, which means if he cant cover it with his army (which he couldnt, he had to lift and retreat several times) he loses the base (all be it temporarily because of lift off) and being mined out at his other bases he loses all his mining except some gas.
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On November 15 2011 21:29 rushian wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 21:26 bittman wrote:
Happy going for macro game.
10 bucks says someone will still say "Omg when will Happy ever go for a macro game?!?!?" That and "bo1 sucks it's only cheese"
Well I agree Bo1 sucks, but blaming bo1 for bad play is silly haha
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37058 Posts
On November 15 2011 21:29 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 21:28 Seeker wrote:On November 15 2011 21:27 Seeker wrote:On November 15 2011 21:27 Seeker wrote:On November 15 2011 21:26 Seeker wrote:On November 15 2011 21:25 Seeker wrote:On November 15 2011 21:24 Seeker wrote:On November 15 2011 21:22 Seeker wrote:
Code S Ro16 Group B Game 4
(P) Killer
vs
(T) Happy
on Calm Before the Storm
Killer at top right
Happy at bottom left 2:25Killer scouts Happy's base Happy is going 1 rax double CC Oz expos as well 3:30Killer has gateway + gas on the way Happy chases out Killer's probe with his marine Happy now find Killer's base and sees his expo Happy snipes Killer's scouting probe 4:50Happy now hitting his 3rd CC Happy bunkers up his front Killer scouting with his zealot 6:20Happy increasing +2 barracks Killer seeing Happy's bunker Killer spawning a warp prism 7:30Killer has the xel'naga watch tower Happy adding 2 tech labs Killer has 4 sentries in his warp prism, heading to Happy's base 8:30Killer drops Happy's back expo Killer force fields the ramp and kills ALL of happy's SCVs Killer flies away with his warp prism, leaving one zealot to take one for the team Happy tries to reestablish his expo 9:50Happy now at 4 barracks with add ons Killer now taking his 3rd as well and has a colossus out Happy starting his factory Killer successfully scouting everything with observers
11:00
Killer drops the back expo of Happy again
But this time leaves pretty quickly as Happy was prepared for it
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On November 15 2011 21:29 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 21:28 Seeker wrote:On November 15 2011 21:27 Seeker wrote:On November 15 2011 21:27 Seeker wrote:On November 15 2011 21:26 Seeker wrote:On November 15 2011 21:25 Seeker wrote:On November 15 2011 21:24 Seeker wrote:On November 15 2011 21:22 Seeker wrote:
Code S Ro16 Group B Game 4
(P) Killer
vs
(T) Happy
on Calm Before the Storm
Killer at top right
Happy at bottom left 2:25Killer scouts Happy's base Happy is going 1 rax double CC Oz expos as well 3:30Killer has gateway + gas on the way Happy chases out Killer's probe with his marine Happy now find Killer's base and sees his expo Happy snipes Killer's scouting probe 4:50Happy now hitting his 3rd CC Happy bunkers up his front Killer scouting with his zealot 6:20Happy increasing +2 barracks Killer seeing Happy's bunker Killer spawning a warp prism 7:30Killer has the xel'naga watch tower Happy adding 2 tech labs Killer has 4 sentries in his warp prism, heading to Happy's base 8:30Killer drops Happy's back expo Killer force fields the ramp and kills ALL of happy's SCVs Killer flies away with his warp prism, leaving one zealot to take one for the team Happy tries to reestablish his expo 9:50Happy now at 4 barracks with add ons Oz now taking his 3rd as well and has a colossus out Happy starting his factory Oz successfully scouting everything with observers
Tagteam PvT, I like it.
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37058 Posts
On November 15 2011 21:30 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 21:29 Seeker wrote:On November 15 2011 21:28 Seeker wrote:On November 15 2011 21:27 Seeker wrote:On November 15 2011 21:27 Seeker wrote:On November 15 2011 21:26 Seeker wrote:On November 15 2011 21:25 Seeker wrote:On November 15 2011 21:24 Seeker wrote:On November 15 2011 21:22 Seeker wrote:
Code S Ro16 Group B Game 4
(P) Killer
vs
(T) Happy
on Calm Before the Storm
Killer at top right
Happy at bottom left 2:25Killer scouts Happy's base Happy is going 1 rax double CC Oz expos as well 3:30Killer has gateway + gas on the way Happy chases out Killer's probe with his marine Happy now find Killer's base and sees his expo Happy snipes Killer's scouting probe 4:50Happy now hitting his 3rd CC Happy bunkers up his front Killer scouting with his zealot 6:20Happy increasing +2 barracks Killer seeing Happy's bunker Killer spawning a warp prism 7:30Killer has the xel'naga watch tower Happy adding 2 tech labs Killer has 4 sentries in his warp prism, heading to Happy's base 8:30Killer drops Happy's back expo Killer force fields the ramp and kills ALL of happy's SCVs Killer flies away with his warp prism, leaving one zealot to take one for the team Happy tries to reestablish his expo 9:50Happy now at 4 barracks with add ons Killer now taking his 3rd as well and has a colossus out Happy starting his factory Killer successfully scouting everything with observers 11:00Killer drops the back expo of Happy again But this time leaves pretty quickly as Happy was prepared for it
12:40
Killer establishes full map control
Happy staying within his base
Killer's got more uprades than happy
Happy has a very nice number of colossi. Happy has no vikings
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Zero viking against 4 colossi, but he lost a lot of sentries in drops, sentries will be important.
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On November 15 2011 21:30 bittman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 21:29 rushian wrote:On November 15 2011 21:26 bittman wrote:
Happy going for macro game.
10 bucks says someone will still say "Omg when will Happy ever go for a macro game?!?!?" That and "bo1 sucks it's only cheese" Well I agree Bo1 sucks, but blaming bo1 for bad play is silly haha
Can you go for anything but a macro game on a map like this? The expansions all flow together so well forcing very very long games.
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37058 Posts
On November 15 2011 21:31 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 21:30 Seeker wrote:On November 15 2011 21:29 Seeker wrote:On November 15 2011 21:28 Seeker wrote:On November 15 2011 21:27 Seeker wrote:On November 15 2011 21:27 Seeker wrote:On November 15 2011 21:26 Seeker wrote:On November 15 2011 21:25 Seeker wrote:On November 15 2011 21:24 Seeker wrote:On November 15 2011 21:22 Seeker wrote:
Code S Ro16 Group B Game 4
(P) Killer
vs
(T) Happy
on Calm Before the Storm
Killer at top right
Happy at bottom left 2:25Killer scouts Happy's base Happy is going 1 rax double CC Oz expos as well 3:30Killer has gateway + gas on the way Happy chases out Killer's probe with his marine Happy now find Killer's base and sees his expo Happy snipes Killer's scouting probe 4:50Happy now hitting his 3rd CC Happy bunkers up his front Killer scouting with his zealot 6:20Happy increasing +2 barracks Killer seeing Happy's bunker Killer spawning a warp prism 7:30Killer has the xel'naga watch tower Happy adding 2 tech labs Killer has 4 sentries in his warp prism, heading to Happy's base 8:30Killer drops Happy's back expo Killer force fields the ramp and kills ALL of happy's SCVs Killer flies away with his warp prism, leaving one zealot to take one for the team Happy tries to reestablish his expo 9:50Happy now at 4 barracks with add ons Killer now taking his 3rd as well and has a colossus out Happy starting his factory Killer successfully scouting everything with observers 11:00Killer drops the back expo of Happy again But this time leaves pretty quickly as Happy was prepared for it 12:40Killer establishes full map control Happy staying within his base Killer's got more uprades than happy Happy has a very nice number of colossi. Happy has no vikings
13:40
Happy moves out and stations his army in front of Killer's base
Happy backs off however, and decides not to go for it
Killer increasing his army
Killer has a dark shrine on the way
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United Kingdom10823 Posts
On November 15 2011 21:30 Blacktion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 21:24 Hassybaby wrote:On November 15 2011 21:23 Blacktion wrote:
Seriously though, is there a reason both players tried to take the middle bases?
Are they just used to doing it because it used to be gold?
It was one of the worst possible expos to take for alive, he had to lift his orbital like 4 times, if he had taken the left expo under his third he couldve been mining without interruption My theory? They think they can defend it easier compared to the side bases P had no pylon to warp in an attack though, and the T is much more mobile than the P army, having a further base makes it easier to defend. Also that base was shit to defend because if you get forced off the Xel naga the P can hit your mineral line with collosi and stalkers on the high ground.
Agreed, but because he had an immobile army compared to the Terran, the last thing you want to do is have your 4th far away. There's no way you can defend that as well as your base, so he felt he had no choice.
I agree though, the pylon was needed, and Alive should maybe have expanded somewhere else. Not that it mattered in the end
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37058 Posts
On November 15 2011 21:32 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 21:31 Seeker wrote:On November 15 2011 21:30 Seeker wrote:On November 15 2011 21:29 Seeker wrote:On November 15 2011 21:28 Seeker wrote:On November 15 2011 21:27 Seeker wrote:On November 15 2011 21:27 Seeker wrote:On November 15 2011 21:26 Seeker wrote:On November 15 2011 21:25 Seeker wrote:On November 15 2011 21:24 Seeker wrote:
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2:25
Killer scouts Happy's base
Happy is going 1 rax double CC
Oz expos as well 3:30Killer has gateway + gas on the way Happy chases out Killer's probe with his marine Happy now find Killer's base and sees his expo Happy snipes Killer's scouting probe 4:50Happy now hitting his 3rd CC Happy bunkers up his front Killer scouting with his zealot 6:20Happy increasing +2 barracks Killer seeing Happy's bunker Killer spawning a warp prism 7:30Killer has the xel'naga watch tower Happy adding 2 tech labs Killer has 4 sentries in his warp prism, heading to Happy's base 8:30Killer drops Happy's back expo Killer force fields the ramp and kills ALL of happy's SCVs Killer flies away with his warp prism, leaving one zealot to take one for the team Happy tries to reestablish his expo 9:50Happy now at 4 barracks with add ons Killer now taking his 3rd as well and has a colossus out Happy starting his factory Killer successfully scouting everything with observers 11:00Killer drops the back expo of Happy again But this time leaves pretty quickly as Happy was prepared for it 12:40Killer establishes full map control Happy staying within his base Killer's got more uprades than happy Happy has a very nice number of colossi. Happy has no vikings 13:40Happy moves out and stations his army in front of Killer's base Happy backs off however, and decides not to go for it Killer increasing his army Killer has a dark shrine on the way
[b]14:50/b]
Killer grabbing a 4th
Killer grabbing a blink
Happy grabbing a nice army and has ghosts
Looks like this is gonna be a long ass game........
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