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On November 14 2011 07:09 msjakofsky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2011 07:05 Micket wrote:
The only games Kas wins are on Xelnaga, or with double reactor hellion. yeah double reactor helion on 2 bases transitioning into tank/marine is pure cheese and the game on Xelnaga had nothing to do with the map. idra did a fail all-in get your fanboy bias out of here
If it's a bad map, don't expect good games to be played on it. Toss are crying just as much about it as Z's and it's ridiculous that it's even in tournaments.
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Alright peiople stop kidding yourselves it was blind 2reactor hellions, he wasn't ''punishing'' idra for anything because he didnt scout anything, he just prayed and hoped there wouldnt be enouth defence, underwhelming games.
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I don't care if some of you are mad about the way Empire won, but they played very well in most of their matches in GCPL and deserve more recognition than they get. Also, Kas has an incredible record in team leagues, even if he didn't play to his fullest potential this time, overall the win is deserved. IdrA failed to adapt to his strategies, so why shouldn't he win?
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At least Idra has done Kas a favour, and immortalised him, just like he did with Cruncher.
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On November 14 2011 07:06 4Servy wrote:
zerg is freewin if they get to mutas and 3 base so I dont get all the whiners saying kas doing gimmicks bc really if you dont you are playing from a insane disadvantage.
then ur terrible, just look at gsl they are fine going up against mutas and more than 3bases.
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On November 14 2011 07:09 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2011 07:07 BandonBanshee wrote:
Is it possable to not be cost effective with hellions? Divebomb into a mineral line and your gaurenteed to kill enough drones to make it worth it. Well not really. 8 Hellions = 800 Minerals So you need to kill at least 16 drones, which isn't as easy as it looks if the zerg actually walls off properly and splits his drones.
The zerg player not only loses drones... also loses mining time and larvae.
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On November 14 2011 07:10 BandonBanshee wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2011 07:08 Eppa! wrote:On November 14 2011 07:07 BandonBanshee wrote:
Is it possable to not be cost effective with hellions? Divebomb into a mineral line and your gaurenteed to kill enough drones to make it worth it. Watch when people do that to DRG 90% of the time they get destroyed. Ya you'll lose all your hellions but what does it matter when you've killed 14 drones + enough lings to stop a counter attack. Its not like they cost gas or anything.
Compared to all the gas that the drones and lings cost
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On November 14 2011 07:09 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2011 07:07 BandonBanshee wrote:
Is it possable to not be cost effective with hellions? Divebomb into a mineral line and your gaurenteed to kill enough drones to make it worth it. Well not really. 8 Hellions = 800 Minerals So you need to kill at least 16 drones, which isn't as easy as it looks if the zerg actually walls off properly and splits his drones.
You don't even need to kill 16 drones, cause you force a lot of units and the drones you kill won't mine until they are replaced.
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It's been a while since we've seen this kind of IdrA BM hasn't it? Kinda refreshing
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On November 14 2011 07:09 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2011 07:07 BandonBanshee wrote:
Is it possable to not be cost effective with hellions? Divebomb into a mineral line and your gaurenteed to kill enough drones to make it worth it. Well not really. 8 Hellions = 800 Minerals So you need to kill at least 16 drones, which isn't as easy as it looks if the zerg actually walls off properly and splits his drones.
You can't compare cost for cost like that.
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So the entire league ended with two mass hellion cheeses and one xel'naga auto win, but people are complaining about some mild bm instead...
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Fun fact: Idra has said almost the exact same BM line against Minigun.
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Well done Empire and especially Kas. TvZ is probably his worst matchup, but it's still good enough for a lot of top zergs. He is definitely the best teamleague player (in EGMC and GCPL at least).
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On November 14 2011 07:06 Lonyo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2011 07:06 skrotcyk wrote:
not really impressed with kas's play, 2 of his wins on XNC which is freewin, and 2 other wins by only massing hellions. Hey, why bother trying when you're playing Idra and you can get free wins by just doing things he doesn't want to prepare for or scout?
u do realize that reactor hellion opening deny scouting and u gotta go blind roaches as zerg, and that will put you at a disadvantage.
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On November 14 2011 07:10 BandonBanshee wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2011 07:08 Eppa! wrote:On November 14 2011 07:07 BandonBanshee wrote:
Is it possable to not be cost effective with hellions? Divebomb into a mineral line and your gaurenteed to kill enough drones to make it worth it. Watch when people do that to DRG 90% of the time they get destroyed. Ya you'll lose all your hellions but what does it matter when you've killed 14 drones + enough lings to stop a counter attack. Its not like they cost gas or anything.
If you at least kinda prepare for something that doesn't happen though. Idra just diddn't defend at all.
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On November 14 2011 07:08 Eppa! wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2011 07:07 BandonBanshee wrote:
Is it possable to not be cost effective with hellions? Divebomb into a mineral line and your gaurenteed to kill enough drones to make it worth it. Watch when people do that to DRG 90% of the time they get destroyed. Its silly to QQ if IdRA looked at mini map and attack with lings he could have held. He let the hellions get past it with like 2 hits
Actually DRG has been losing quite a bit lately to hellion builds when he tries to skip roaches.
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kas win xnc = "bad map, nothing to talk about"
idra win taldarim = "kas noob can't win normal game from idra"
normal TL thread
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On November 14 2011 07:11 n00b3rt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2011 07:10 BandonBanshee wrote:On November 14 2011 07:08 Eppa! wrote:On November 14 2011 07:07 BandonBanshee wrote:
Is it possable to not be cost effective with hellions? Divebomb into a mineral line and your gaurenteed to kill enough drones to make it worth it. Watch when people do that to DRG 90% of the time they get destroyed. Ya you'll lose all your hellions but what does it matter when you've killed 14 drones + enough lings to stop a counter attack. Its not like they cost gas or anything. Compared to all the gas that the drones and lings cost
Since when do drones and lings counter hellions? Lol wtf.
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On November 14 2011 07:05 Entropic wrote:
Why didnt Puma get sent in for ace.... Puma woulda rolled Kas in tvt,
TvZ is the worst matchup of Kas, and TvT is his best so sending Idra was a smart choice =)
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On November 14 2011 07:11 nam nam wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2011 07:09 Qikz wrote:On November 14 2011 07:07 BandonBanshee wrote:
Is it possable to not be cost effective with hellions? Divebomb into a mineral line and your gaurenteed to kill enough drones to make it worth it. Well not really. 8 Hellions = 800 Minerals So you need to kill at least 16 drones, which isn't as easy as it looks if the zerg actually walls off properly and splits his drones. You can't compare cost for cost like that.
He just asked if it's possible to not be cost effective.... Of course you can compare cost for cost. Not even including the hidden losses you sustain from sacrificing your hellions, loosing all map vision, creep denial etc.
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