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Influ
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany780 Posts
October 30 2011 20:17 GMT
#1161
On October 31 2011 05:16 Frankon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2011 05:13 MrCon wrote:
The buzz about Happy was mainly because of his sick marine splitting video ^^

And that he was no1 in EU ladder for few months.


More like 2-3 weeks but it was something like 93% win ratio
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
October 30 2011 20:17 GMT
#1162
On October 31 2011 05:16 ThisGS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2011 05:12 MrCon wrote:
To much marines I think, the colossi will fall but not before killing everything.
Unless he retreats from vikings and lose his colossus without firing a shoot :o


Btw: how did kas beat idra?
was it macrogames? was it close? IdrA is a ZvT beast and happy loses to nerchio and stpehano often... didnt expect that one


Macro on Tal'darim, 2rax (1 proxy) on Meta.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-30 20:18:20
October 30 2011 20:17 GMT
#1163
On October 31 2011 05:16 Frankon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2011 05:13 MrCon wrote:
The buzz about Happy was mainly because of his sick marine splitting video ^^

And that he was no1 in EU ladder for few months.

Yeah with an absurd winrate iirc.
edit : ^yeah =)
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-30 20:18:24
October 30 2011 20:18 GMT
#1164
On October 31 2011 05:05 gh0un wrote:
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On October 31 2011 04:47 Elean wrote:
On October 31 2011 04:32 gh0un wrote:
On October 31 2011 04:27 Elean wrote:
On October 31 2011 04:22 gh0un wrote:
On October 31 2011 04:19 Elean wrote:
On October 31 2011 04:17 gh0un wrote:
On October 31 2011 04:10 TRAP[yoo] wrote:
he will never change


How would you react if someone opened 11/12 against you and put down two bunkers in such a fashion that you cannot attack the marines that are hiding behind them?
Would that put a smile on your face?
Its extremely annoying and abuses the shit out of melee units.

You cant attack it with melee units, and spines arent able to kill bunkers that are being repaired (remember the game boxer vs idra at the last mlg where idra had 3 spines attacking the bunker? it didnt even budge).
What should zerg build to destroy that bunker? 6 spines? 10?
Building so many spines is game anyway.

Its an annoying rush and takes alot away from the game in my opinion.

All you have to do to defend this is to drone scout.
Idra deserved to loose.


Even the ones that do drone scout will build the hatch before pool and die anyways, even if they scout it afterwards.
It comes very early and you cant really count on scouting it before you put down that hatch, because 15 population is extremely early.

Sorry no, I have seen other zergs defend it with ease. Stop saying you cannot defend it.
As long as you have a good micro, there is no reason not to defend it, not on this map where you are guaranteed to scout in time... if you scout.


You are comparing different scenarios with each other.
Show me one game where a zerg has defended 11/11 (or any similar early bunker rush) on meta close by air if the bunkers are put in exactly that fashion.
Unless the zerg luckily runs into the proxy rax he will hatch first and die.

You wont find a single occasion because the games you are referring to are on other maps where it is entirely possible to NOT scout at all and still defend it with ease.

Stop watching Idra, start watching other zerg streams and you will see it.

Idra simply does not have the right mentality to improve, he will keep loosing to it again and again, while others have found solution against it.

If you can't defend without scouting it, just scout the dam thing. You don't have to be a genius to come up with the idea.

And you know what, if you scout it, you can prevent the bunkers to be place "in exactly that fashion". OMG, I'm sure you've never thought about that.


I have seen stephano die to exactly that rush, i have seen nerchio die to exactly that rush, i have seen ret die to exactly that rush, i have seen nestea die to exactly that rush.
What is your point?

On some maps, i have seen idra smash that rush, stephano smash that rush, nerchio smash that rush, ret smash that rush, nestea smash that rush.

Its still a terrible strategy that has the potential of taking away from the game and make for terrible games and it is happening quite frequently.
The opening makes for terrible games and i dont support it, i suppose you are a supporter of terrible games.


Stephano has never in tournament games died to a 2 proxy rax push never. He is exstremely safe. You got any proff to backup that claim?
s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
October 30 2011 20:18 GMT
#1165
On October 31 2011 05:16 Badfatpanda wrote:
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On October 31 2011 05:15 s4life wrote:
Lol I think Beastyqt is a good player, but Happy is in another league, these two commentators are completely off here dissing Happy like if he were top 100 AM terran or something..


Happy was overhyped and hasn't been performing up to par recently imo.


Point taken, but Beastyqt and Kas are not the best two terrans in Empire... that was just a wrong statement made by Painuser..
damod
Profile Joined March 2011
1106 Posts
October 30 2011 20:18 GMT
#1166
On October 31 2011 05:16 ThisGS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2011 05:12 MrCon wrote:
To much marines I think, the colossi will fall but not before killing everything.
Unless he retreats from vikings and lose his colossus without firing a shoot :o


nice analysis.


now we see one of the best terrans (PuMa) playing

His opponent would be the best terran in the world, if there would be exactly 1 strategy for all races and the maximum bases were 2.

Btw: how did kas beat idra?
was it macrogames? was it close? IdrA is a ZvT beast and happy loses to nerchio and stpehano often... didnt expect that one

first game was a macro game with alot of mistakes from idrA.

Second game was a BO win, idrA 15 hatch 15 pool, Kas 11/12 proxy rax.
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MuK_x
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
743 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-30 20:24:04
October 30 2011 20:18 GMT
#1167
Results:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading] EmpireKas 2 [image loading] EGIdrA 0
[image loading] EmpireBeastyqt 2 [image loading] EGAxslav 1
IdrA "TT1 actually fucked up and didn't see the hatchery,so im at a really big advantage right now,assuming he reacts intelligently which is not something you should assume with TT1"
RJGooner
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2076 Posts
October 30 2011 20:19 GMT
#1168
On October 31 2011 05:16 ThisGS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2011 05:12 MrCon wrote:
To much marines I think, the colossi will fall but not before killing everything.
Unless he retreats from vikings and lose his colossus without firing a shoot :o


nice analysis.


now we see one of the best terrans (PuMa) playing

His opponent would be the best terran in the world, if there would be exactly 1 strategy for all races and the maximum bases were 2.

Btw: how did kas beat idra?
was it macrogames? was it close? IdrA is a ZvT beast and happy loses to nerchio and stpehano often... didnt expect that one


Kas straight up outplayed IdrA in game 1, went for some blue flame hellions which IdrA defended nicely then turtled for a bit and took his third and then went marine tank with heavy upgrades which was too much for IdrA.

Game 2 is not worth watching. IdrA 15 hatched and Kas did an 11/12 rax and built bunkers into that nook where zerglings cant get to the marines on Metalopolis. Abusive and not a good game in my opinion.
#1 Jaehoon Fan! 김재훈 화팅!
CryMeAReaper
Profile Joined November 2010
Denmark1135 Posts
October 30 2011 20:19 GMT
#1169
On October 31 2011 05:16 ThisGS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2011 05:12 MrCon wrote:
To much marines I think, the colossi will fall but not before killing everything.
Unless he retreats from vikings and lose his colossus without firing a shoot :o


nice analysis.


now we see one of the best terrans (PuMa) playing

His opponent would be the best terran in the world, if there would be exactly 1 strategy for all races and the maximum bases were 2.

Btw: how did kas beat idra?
was it macrogames? was it close? IdrA is a ZvT beast and happy loses to nerchio and stpehano often... didnt expect that one


It was a macro game 1 where Kas did his usual constant methodical expanding+macroing while looking for oppertunities to get aggresive. he found one and forced idras army out of position, letting kas kill of expansions. he then had a really good engagement which let him kill more expos and it snowballed from there. g2 was a 11/12 rush which made idra rage quit as soon as 2 bunkers went up in a way which made idra unable to stop them from going up as there were 2 marines between the bunkers.
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MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
October 30 2011 20:19 GMT
#1170
Shit EG are really on the ropes, I guess no one is going to stop the Mouz clan war freight train to glory.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
fcgog
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom876 Posts
October 30 2011 20:19 GMT
#1171
that build was pretty good by Beastyqt
Kaelaris
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom788 Posts
October 30 2011 20:20 GMT
#1172
On October 31 2011 05:19 MCDayC wrote:
Shit EG are really on the ropes, I guess no one is going to stop the Mouz clan war freight train to glory.


..No-one stops the mouz gravy-train! NO-ONE! Muhahahahahahaha!
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Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-30 20:22:04
October 30 2011 20:21 GMT
#1173
EG is not doing that well, and this after being the "winner" of MLG Orlando... Not sure what went wrong for EG - overconfidence perhaps?
Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
October 30 2011 20:21 GMT
#1174
On October 31 2011 05:20 CSN_Kaelaris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2011 05:19 MCDayC wrote:
Shit EG are really on the ropes, I guess no one is going to stop the Mouz clan war freight train to glory.


..No-one stops the mouz gravy-train! NO-ONE! Muhahahahahahaha!

Yeah they want all that cheddar from Idra commercial
ThisGS
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany255 Posts
October 30 2011 20:22 GMT
#1175
On October 31 2011 05:16 Badfatpanda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2011 05:15 s4life wrote:
Lol I think Beastyqt is a good player, but Happy is in another league, these two commentators are completely off here dissing Happy like if he were top 100 AM terran or something..


Happy was overhyped and hasn't been performing up to par recently imo.


yep, the reasoning is obvious^^

BeastyQt is nowadays much more solid and therefore the better player.
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
October 30 2011 20:22 GMT
#1176
On October 31 2011 05:20 CSN_Kaelaris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2011 05:19 MCDayC wrote:
Shit EG are really on the ropes, I guess no one is going to stop the Mouz clan war freight train to glory.


..No-one stops the mouz gravy-train! NO-ONE! Muhahahahahahaha!

Cept Slayers....
OHHH SHIT, I went there.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
RJGooner
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2076 Posts
October 30 2011 20:22 GMT
#1177
On October 31 2011 05:21 Azarkon wrote:
EG is not doing that well, and this after being the "winner" of MLG Orlando... Not sure what went wrong for EG - overconfidence perhaps?


Empire's a good team man. They have the stuff to stick with teams like EG and Mouz when they're playing well.
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tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-30 20:25:19
October 30 2011 20:22 GMT
#1178
I think that win makes Beastyqt 7-2 in this league, which is pretty impressive. Overall Empire is really quite a good team actually, they totally lack a serious protoss or zerg threat, but their terran line is probably the strongest of anybody's.
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Laeon
Profile Joined May 2011
France53 Posts
October 30 2011 20:22 GMT
#1179
Happy can beat Puma if he plays safe.
Elean
Profile Joined October 2010
689 Posts
October 30 2011 20:23 GMT
#1180
On October 31 2011 05:21 Azarkon wrote:
EG is not doing that well, and this after being the "winner" of MLG Orlando... Not sure what went wrong for EG - overconfidence perhaps?

To be fair, Axlav was probably not the best choice. Huk or Demuslim would have been so much stronger for EG.
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