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On October 31 2011 05:19 CryMeAReaper wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 05:16 ThisGS wrote:On October 31 2011 05:12 MrCon wrote:
To much marines I think, the colossi will fall but not before killing everything.
Unless he retreats from vikings and lose his colossus without firing a shoot :o
nice analysis. now we see one of the best terrans (PuMa) playing His opponent would be the best terran in the world, if there would be exactly 1 strategy for all races and the maximum bases were 2. Btw: how did kas beat idra? was it macrogames? was it close? IdrA is a ZvT beast and happy loses to nerchio and stpehano often... didnt expect that one It was a macro game 1 where Kas did his usual constant methodical expanding+macroing while looking for oppertunities to get aggresive. he found one and forced idras army out of position, letting kas kill of expansions. he then had a really good engagement which let him kill more expos and it snowballed from there. g2 was a 11/12 rush which made idra rage quit as soon as 2 bunkers went up in a way which made idra unable to stop them from going up as there were 2 marines between the bunkers.
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On October 31 2011 05:22 tree.hugger wrote:
I think that win makes Beastyqt 7-2 in this league, which is pretty impressive. Overall Empire is really quite a good team actually, they lack a serious protoss or zerg threat, but their terran line is probably the strongest of anybody's.
They are euro Slayers!
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What is this game? :s
According to the OP Mouz already won the tournament last night, so the tournament should be over right? Is this rebroadcasted?
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Btw dosnt Empire have a team house now? I think I hear something about it, not completely sure tho.
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On October 31 2011 05:25 Vorenius wrote:
What is this game? :s
According to the OP Mouz already won the tournament last night, so the tournament should be over right? Is this rebroadcasted?
Finals weekend is double elim.
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On October 31 2011 05:25 Vorenius wrote:
What is this game? :s
According to the OP Mouz already won the tournament last night, so the tournament should be over right? Is this rebroadcasted?
Nono. Mouz is in the grand finals. The winner of this will play against fnatic, and the winner of that will play against mouz in finals.
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On October 31 2011 05:15 Elean wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 05:05 gh0un wrote:On October 31 2011 04:47 Elean wrote:On October 31 2011 04:32 gh0un wrote:On October 31 2011 04:27 Elean wrote:On October 31 2011 04:22 gh0un wrote:On October 31 2011 04:19 Elean wrote:On October 31 2011 04:17 gh0un wrote:On October 31 2011 04:10 TRAP[yoo] wrote:
he will never change How would you react if someone opened 11/12 against you and put down two bunkers in such a fashion that you cannot attack the marines that are hiding behind them? Would that put a smile on your face? Its extremely annoying and abuses the shit out of melee units. You cant attack it with melee units, and spines arent able to kill bunkers that are being repaired (remember the game boxer vs idra at the last mlg where idra had 3 spines attacking the bunker? it didnt even budge). What should zerg build to destroy that bunker? 6 spines? 10? Building so many spines is game anyway. Its an annoying rush and takes alot away from the game in my opinion. All you have to do to defend this is to drone scout. Idra deserved to loose. Even the ones that do drone scout will build the hatch before pool and die anyways, even if they scout it afterwards. It comes very early and you cant really count on scouting it before you put down that hatch, because 15 population is extremely early. Sorry no, I have seen other zergs defend it with ease. Stop saying you cannot defend it. As long as you have a good micro, there is no reason not to defend it, not on this map where you are guaranteed to scout in time... if you scout. You are comparing different scenarios with each other. Show me one game where a zerg has defended 11/11 (or any similar early bunker rush) on meta close by air if the bunkers are put in exactly that fashion. Unless the zerg luckily runs into the proxy rax he will hatch first and die. You wont find a single occasion because the games you are referring to are on other maps where it is entirely possible to NOT scout at all and still defend it with ease. Stop watching Idra, start watching other zerg streams and you will see it. Idra simply does not have the right mentality to improve, he will keep loosing to it again and again, while others have found solution against it. If you can't defend without scouting it, just scout the dam thing. You don't have to be a genius to come up with the idea. And you know what, if you scout it, you can prevent the bunkers to be place "in exactly that fashion". OMG, I'm sure you've never thought about that. I have seen stephano die to exactly that rush, i have seen nerchio die to exactly that rush, i have seen ret die to exactly that rush, i have seen nestea die to exactly that rush. What is your point? On some maps, i have seen idra smash that rush, stephano smash that rush, nerchio smash that rush, ret smash that rush, nestea smash that rush. Its still a terrible strategy that has the potential of taking away from the game and make for terrible games and it is happening quite frequently. The opening makes for terrible games and i dont support it, i suppose you are a supporter of terrible games. Stop lying, or give the example you are taking about. It can only be in tournaments since they removed metalopolis from the map pool with the last barracks change (unless you saw it this week for all those players ?) Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 05:13 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On October 31 2011 05:06 Elean wrote:On October 31 2011 04:50 I_Love_Bacon wrote:On October 31 2011 04:47 Elean wrote:On October 31 2011 04:32 gh0un wrote:On October 31 2011 04:27 Elean wrote:On October 31 2011 04:22 gh0un wrote:On October 31 2011 04:19 Elean wrote:On October 31 2011 04:17 gh0un wrote:
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How would you react if someone opened 11/12 against you and put down two bunkers in such a fashion that you cannot attack the marines that are hiding behind them?
Would that put a smile on your face?
Its extremely annoying and abuses the shit out of melee units.
You cant attack it with melee units, and spines arent able to kill bunkers that are being repaired (remember the game boxer vs idra at the last mlg where idra had 3 spines attacking the bunker? it didnt even budge).
What should zerg build to destroy that bunker? 6 spines? 10?
Building so many spines is game anyway.
Its an annoying rush and takes alot away from the game in my opinion. All you have to do to defend this is to drone scout. Idra deserved to loose. Even the ones that do drone scout will build the hatch before pool and die anyways, even if they scout it afterwards. It comes very early and you cant really count on scouting it before you put down that hatch, because 15 population is extremely early. Sorry no, I have seen other zergs defend it with ease. Stop saying you cannot defend it. As long as you have a good micro, there is no reason not to defend it, not on this map where you are guaranteed to scout in time... if you scout. You are comparing different scenarios with each other. Show me one game where a zerg has defended 11/11 (or any similar early bunker rush) on meta close by air if the bunkers are put in exactly that fashion. Unless the zerg luckily runs into the proxy rax he will hatch first and die. You wont find a single occasion because the games you are referring to are on other maps where it is entirely possible to NOT scout at all and still defend it with ease. Stop watching Idra, start watching other zerg streams and you will see it. He asks for a specific example. Either supply an example or don't bother responding with blanket, meaningless statements. Dude, I told him where to find the answer on how to defend it. Why the hell should I bother searching for an example where the zergs defend it after letting the bunker get started, while the usual solution is to not let the bunkers start in those position to begin with. Your comment just lack any reasoning. Is someone ask "find me a replay where the zerg defends after loosing his expo and his pool". I won't bother searching such a replay, but I will still say that the zerg could have defended it. Scouting proxy's is extremely difficult when you've got a gigantic amount of space to do it in. Yes, scouting in hopes of finding them would be a good idea. But given the earliness of the rax and the sheer # of places to put it, sending out a drone is no guarantee. On meta with no close spawn, you are almost guaranteed to scout it. Your point doesn't hold. And, zerg can afford to pull drones against it, because the terran is himself set back by the build.
You said start watching other zergs stream and all of them die to exactly that rush in their stream.
You are funny, telling others to watch streams while you didnt watch em at all, and then you say only tournament play counts.
You lost any credibility.
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On October 31 2011 05:25 CryMeAReaper wrote:
Btw dosnt Empire have a team house now? I think I hear something about it, not completely sure tho.
nope. i belive they dont even play too much together, at least not happy
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On October 31 2011 05:22 ThisGS wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 05:16 Badfatpanda wrote:On October 31 2011 05:15 s4life wrote:
Lol I think Beastyqt is a good player, but Happy is in another league, these two commentators are completely off here dissing Happy like if he were top 100 AM terran or something.. Happy was overhyped and hasn't been performing up to par recently imo. yep, the reasoning is obvious^^ BeastyQt is nowadays much more solid and therefore the better player.
More reasoning than you're sarcasm gives.
Fruitdealer won the first GSL open. He's better than Nestea even though he's been slumping recently because he was awesome last year.
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what, happy with cloak banshee. who would have guessed, oh wait huehuehue
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On October 31 2011 05:26 ThisGS wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 05:25 CryMeAReaper wrote:
Btw dosnt Empire have a team house now? I think I hear something about it, not completely sure tho. nope. i belive they dont even play too much together, at least not happy
Ah, perhaps I was thinking about aTn then. Thats quite dissappointing. I think that they would really benefit from it.
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On October 31 2011 05:18 HappyChris wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 05:05 gh0un wrote:On October 31 2011 04:47 Elean wrote:On October 31 2011 04:32 gh0un wrote:On October 31 2011 04:27 Elean wrote:On October 31 2011 04:22 gh0un wrote:On October 31 2011 04:19 Elean wrote:On October 31 2011 04:17 gh0un wrote:On October 31 2011 04:10 TRAP[yoo] wrote:
he will never change How would you react if someone opened 11/12 against you and put down two bunkers in such a fashion that you cannot attack the marines that are hiding behind them? Would that put a smile on your face? Its extremely annoying and abuses the shit out of melee units. You cant attack it with melee units, and spines arent able to kill bunkers that are being repaired (remember the game boxer vs idra at the last mlg where idra had 3 spines attacking the bunker? it didnt even budge). What should zerg build to destroy that bunker? 6 spines? 10? Building so many spines is game anyway. Its an annoying rush and takes alot away from the game in my opinion. All you have to do to defend this is to drone scout. Idra deserved to loose. Even the ones that do drone scout will build the hatch before pool and die anyways, even if they scout it afterwards. It comes very early and you cant really count on scouting it before you put down that hatch, because 15 population is extremely early. Sorry no, I have seen other zergs defend it with ease. Stop saying you cannot defend it. As long as you have a good micro, there is no reason not to defend it, not on this map where you are guaranteed to scout in time... if you scout. You are comparing different scenarios with each other. Show me one game where a zerg has defended 11/11 (or any similar early bunker rush) on meta close by air if the bunkers are put in exactly that fashion. Unless the zerg luckily runs into the proxy rax he will hatch first and die. You wont find a single occasion because the games you are referring to are on other maps where it is entirely possible to NOT scout at all and still defend it with ease. Stop watching Idra, start watching other zerg streams and you will see it. Idra simply does not have the right mentality to improve, he will keep loosing to it again and again, while others have found solution against it. If you can't defend without scouting it, just scout the dam thing. You don't have to be a genius to come up with the idea. And you know what, if you scout it, you can prevent the bunkers to be place "in exactly that fashion". OMG, I'm sure you've never thought about that. I have seen stephano die to exactly that rush, i have seen nerchio die to exactly that rush, i have seen ret die to exactly that rush, i have seen nestea die to exactly that rush. What is your point? On some maps, i have seen idra smash that rush, stephano smash that rush, nerchio smash that rush, ret smash that rush, nestea smash that rush. Its still a terrible strategy that has the potential of taking away from the game and make for terrible games and it is happening quite frequently. The opening makes for terrible games and i dont support it, i suppose you are a supporter of terrible games. Stephano has never in tournament games died to a 2 proxy rax push never. He is exstremely safe. You got any proff to backup that claim?
He said watch other zergs stream.
He died against bunker rushes on his stream plenty of times.
Back up your claims yourselves before you make any rules of what counts and whatnot.
So funny.
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Puma killed one of the banshees on the right.
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I like Scoots's occasional chime ins, it keeps it casual and fun.
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On October 31 2011 05:25 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 05:25 Vorenius wrote:
What is this game? :s
According to the OP Mouz already won the tournament last night, so the tournament should be over right? Is this rebroadcasted? Finals weekend is double elim.
Thanks
But what's the format for the grand final then?
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whats up with happy lateley, his play looks pretty poor compared to a few weeks ago
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Happy was 40 food behind before the engagement even happened.
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Poor play by Happy. he shouldn't always unsiege all his tanks imo, just leave 2 or 3 to gard one side is good enough to delay an attack.
But the macro difference was gigantic, Puma was like 100 to 80 then 130 to 100 then 180 to 130...
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On October 31 2011 05:34 Azarkon wrote:
Happy was 40 food behind before the engagement even happened.
ye I thought this worth noting as well.
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