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On October 16 2011 11:07 ChefTony wrote:
alright so what needs to happen for us not to have incontrol in drewbie in pool play?
New Year
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On October 16 2011 11:06 Swede wrote:
Why does it have to be 'IdrA/MKP played poorly' or 'IdrA/MKP played really well'? How about they both played poorly in a few ways, but also played well in other ways?
Also, the game doesn't have to be narrowed down to an individual thing. The result of a game is a sum total of everything that happens. Some moves are worth more, some less.
People like to look at everything negatively sadly. We got a really good best of 3 from 2 of the most popular players around but people have to smear it
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On October 16 2011 11:01 sirreginold wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 11:00 Zalitara wrote:
I hate watching White-Ra play a dozen games every MLG he particepates in just to lose the game before he get's out of the open bracket. Also he is just so fucking unlucky with his opponents... I know it's by seed and random, so I am not saying MLG is out to get him, but the gaming god sure as hell is. Hopefully next year he'll get a seeded in pool play.
He won't. But hopefully MLG can make something happen so that it makes sense for European players (other than Liquid ) to actually go to MLG. Right now Stephano and White-ra are at MLG only because of IPL and would not go to MLG otherwise. Only HasuObs and Sase are there purely because of MLG.
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Any more games today? Stream has been awesome
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Is this lagging horribly only for me or ? Sick of seeing the MLG Icon in the middle of the screen every 10sec entire weekend.
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Just one more round of games today right? CLR3 and on is tomorrow?
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On October 16 2011 11:06 Zalitara wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 11:04 Makica wrote:On October 16 2011 11:01 hitpoint wrote:On October 16 2011 10:58 Soulish wrote:On October 16 2011 10:56 hitpoint wrote:On October 16 2011 10:53 JoeSchmoe wrote:On October 16 2011 10:50 TazzDingo wrote:On October 16 2011 10:42 JohnnyBanana wrote:On October 16 2011 10:42 RogerChillingworth wrote:On October 16 2011 10:39 Shurayuki wrote:
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and then the other guy was better and won instead? Idra should have won it. But then Marineking outplayed Idra and won it instead. Today I learned: It's too hard for 90% on TL.net to understand that winning a match does not mean outplaying the opponent. Sheesh... First Huk-Hero, then IdrA-MKP... Unforced errors should not happen but they do happen sometimes. Has nothing to do with being outplayed... srsly guys. outplayed. simple as that. poor engagements by idra, no upgrades. these are fundamental mistakes. 2-0 mutas 2-1 lings vs 3-3 marines. I count 5 upgrades for idra, 6 for mkp. Yea HUGE difference. can't just add upgrades like that lol. Does 1/1 ling + 1/1 roach + 1/2 muta beat 3/3 marines? I agree. 3/3 marines completely rape anything with lower upgrades, and equal upgrades even. My point is that Idra was keeping up with upgrades, he just has to split them between units while mkp didn't. So I think mkp's upgrades were far better, but it wasn't for lack of idra upgrading - it's because marines are absurd. But he wasn't keeping up. You have to understand that 3-3 > 2-2 on all your units. Is that fair though? Doesn't it require so much more for a Zerg to get 3/3 on all the units he needs in on than it does for a Terran to get 3/3 on his marines?
MKP had +2 on his tanks as well. It's part of the game, it's fair. If anything, Terran has the most trouble with upgrading because there are 6 different ones for them to upgrade.
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On October 16 2011 11:07 hitpoint wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 11:05 zdragon wrote:On October 16 2011 11:01 hitpoint wrote:On October 16 2011 10:58 Soulish wrote:On October 16 2011 10:56 hitpoint wrote:On October 16 2011 10:53 JoeSchmoe wrote:On October 16 2011 10:50 TazzDingo wrote:On October 16 2011 10:42 JohnnyBanana wrote:On October 16 2011 10:42 RogerChillingworth wrote:On October 16 2011 10:39 Shurayuki wrote:
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and then the other guy was better and won instead? Idra should have won it. But then Marineking outplayed Idra and won it instead. Today I learned: It's too hard for 90% on TL.net to understand that winning a match does not mean outplaying the opponent. Sheesh... First Huk-Hero, then IdrA-MKP... Unforced errors should not happen but they do happen sometimes. Has nothing to do with being outplayed... srsly guys. outplayed. simple as that. poor engagements by idra, no upgrades. these are fundamental mistakes. 2-0 mutas 2-1 lings vs 3-3 marines. I count 5 upgrades for idra, 6 for mkp. Yea HUGE difference. can't just add upgrades like that lol. Does 1/1 ling + 1/1 roach + 1/2 muta beat 3/3 marines? I agree. 3/3 marines completely rape anything with lower upgrades, and equal upgrades even. My point is that Idra was keeping up with upgrades, he just has to split them between units while mkp didn't. So I think mkp's upgrades were far better, but it wasn't for lack of idra upgrading - it's because marines are absurd. Is this a joke? T was upgrading mech too. At least +1 on mech, if not +2, so there's your equivalent to the muta 2-0. The other absurd thing shit players say is that you need Hive units vs marines. Sure broods help, but you can't ignore the reverse - that T tier3 far more useless against any Z composition. There's no magic make 7 BC's and win button. Besides, the actual units are only part of the equation - positioning and timing is so important to be able to set up the econ. I agree with the second part. BC's are awful and it's a shame, but terran never needs them so I don't know why you even bring it up.
So why bring up the late game viability of upgraded marines, if T doesn't have any late game units?
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On October 16 2011 11:07 hitpoint wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 11:05 zdragon wrote:On October 16 2011 11:01 hitpoint wrote:On October 16 2011 10:58 Soulish wrote:On October 16 2011 10:56 hitpoint wrote:On October 16 2011 10:53 JoeSchmoe wrote:On October 16 2011 10:50 TazzDingo wrote:On October 16 2011 10:42 JohnnyBanana wrote:On October 16 2011 10:42 RogerChillingworth wrote:On October 16 2011 10:39 Shurayuki wrote:
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and then the other guy was better and won instead? Idra should have won it. But then Marineking outplayed Idra and won it instead. Today I learned: It's too hard for 90% on TL.net to understand that winning a match does not mean outplaying the opponent. Sheesh... First Huk-Hero, then IdrA-MKP... Unforced errors should not happen but they do happen sometimes. Has nothing to do with being outplayed... srsly guys. outplayed. simple as that. poor engagements by idra, no upgrades. these are fundamental mistakes. 2-0 mutas 2-1 lings vs 3-3 marines. I count 5 upgrades for idra, 6 for mkp. Yea HUGE difference. can't just add upgrades like that lol. Does 1/1 ling + 1/1 roach + 1/2 muta beat 3/3 marines? I agree. 3/3 marines completely rape anything with lower upgrades, and equal upgrades even. My point is that Idra was keeping up with upgrades, he just has to split them between units while mkp didn't. So I think mkp's upgrades were far better, but it wasn't for lack of idra upgrading - it's because marines are absurd. Is this a joke? T was upgrading mech too. At least +1 on mech, if not +2, so there's your equivalent to the muta 2-0. The other absurd thing shit players say is that you need Hive units vs marines. Sure broods help, but you can't ignore the reverse - that T tier3 far more useless against any Z composition. There's no magic make 7 BC's and win button. Besides, the actual units are only part of the equation - positioning and timing is so important to be able to set up the econ. I agree with the second part. BC's are awful and it's a shame, but terran never needs them so I don't know why you even bring it up.
He's bringing it up because Zergs are almost always whining about how they need broods and ultras to counter marine/medivacs/tanks.
And his point holds true...if Terran teched up to BC, they'd be dead. The marines and lower tech units are needed otherwise T would just die.
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On October 16 2011 11:09 Randulfr wrote:
Is this lagging horribly only for me or ? Sick of seeing the MLG Icon in the middle of the screen every 10sec entire weekend.
mine was freezing every 5 minutes now its rly laggy :/
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On October 16 2011 11:06 Zalitara wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 11:04 Makica wrote:On October 16 2011 11:01 hitpoint wrote:On October 16 2011 10:58 Soulish wrote:On October 16 2011 10:56 hitpoint wrote:On October 16 2011 10:53 JoeSchmoe wrote:On October 16 2011 10:50 TazzDingo wrote:On October 16 2011 10:42 JohnnyBanana wrote:On October 16 2011 10:42 RogerChillingworth wrote:On October 16 2011 10:39 Shurayuki wrote:
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and then the other guy was better and won instead? Idra should have won it. But then Marineking outplayed Idra and won it instead. Today I learned: It's too hard for 90% on TL.net to understand that winning a match does not mean outplaying the opponent. Sheesh... First Huk-Hero, then IdrA-MKP... Unforced errors should not happen but they do happen sometimes. Has nothing to do with being outplayed... srsly guys. outplayed. simple as that. poor engagements by idra, no upgrades. these are fundamental mistakes. 2-0 mutas 2-1 lings vs 3-3 marines. I count 5 upgrades for idra, 6 for mkp. Yea HUGE difference. can't just add upgrades like that lol. Does 1/1 ling + 1/1 roach + 1/2 muta beat 3/3 marines? I agree. 3/3 marines completely rape anything with lower upgrades, and equal upgrades even. My point is that Idra was keeping up with upgrades, he just has to split them between units while mkp didn't. So I think mkp's upgrades were far better, but it wasn't for lack of idra upgrading - it's because marines are absurd. But he wasn't keeping up. You have to understand that 3-3 > 2-2 on all your units. Is that fair though? Doesn't it require so much more for a Zerg to get 3/3 on all the units he needs in on than it does for a Terran to get 3/3 on his marines?
Zerg gets ground ups and air attack ups, Terran gets bio ups and mech attack ups. It's pretty similar.
Not that it needs to be - the matchup needs to even out overall but each race can and indeed should have advantages in different areas.
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On October 16 2011 11:06 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 11:04 Badfatpanda wrote:On October 16 2011 11:00 Zooper31 wrote:On October 16 2011 10:58 Courstice wrote:On October 16 2011 10:56 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On October 16 2011 10:52 JohnnyBanana wrote:On October 16 2011 10:50 Zooper31 wrote:On October 16 2011 10:48 Rebs wrote:On October 16 2011 10:46 Zooper31 wrote:On October 16 2011 10:45 Mordiford wrote:
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No, he's explaining why MKP's macro looked poor. It didn't look poor, it was poor, simple as that. MKP's own fault for getting his supply depots constantly picked off. hahaa yea you know theres a fanboy in the house when the other players problems are self inflicted and the the guy he supports lost because Terran op lolol. Yes I'm a fanboy of Idra's, doesn't change the fact that MKP played poorly and only won because of that last engage. Your fanboism is clearly showing. Sure you may think that MKP played poor, but what matters is that Idra played worse. Suicide units 2-3 at a time into a tank line with medivacs and marines all around... Yeah, MKP completely outplayed Idra that game. Were you watching another game? completely outplay would be clearly having the upper hand the majority of the game and not sustaining much yourself. You are a step ahead. His win was due to idra's sloppiness towards the end and not maintaining upgrades. That's just how it is with zerg, things can quickly go down the shitter. It's far less forgiving. 3/3 Marines > 1/1 Zerg. Just like 3/3 Zealots would > 1/1 Marauders. Simple. I don't think marauders would actually even lose that if micro'd properly with conc. On October 16 2011 11:00 Rebs wrote:On October 16 2011 10:59 Zooper31 wrote:On October 16 2011 10:57 minhbq299 wrote:On October 16 2011 10:50 Zooper31 wrote:On October 16 2011 10:48 Rebs wrote:On October 16 2011 10:46 Zooper31 wrote:On October 16 2011 10:45 Mordiford wrote:
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No, he's explaining why MKP's macro looked poor. It didn't look poor, it was poor, simple as that. MKP's own fault for getting his supply depots constantly picked off. hahaa yea you know theres a fanboy in the house when the other players problems are self inflicted and the the guy he supports lost because Terran op lolol. Yes I'm a fanboy of Idra's, doesn't change the fact that MKP played poorly and only won because of that last engage. Point out how was MKP playing poorly, he defends well against a 3 base zerg(4th base have no drones) when MKP just take his 3rd. Idra lost because he invest in mass units to attack, have nothing to fall back on (hive tech, infestors, no upgrades) => that's why he lose when he cant finish MKP. I will not comment on this match anymore but anyone who think idra is better player and MKP is not outplaying idra in that last game is delusional fanboyism and do not understand the game at all. Read the quote road and theres my answer, been said numerous times. Anyway I said I wasn't responding anymore cause I'm just wasting my time at this point. actually you were wasting your time from the start. Agreed. Zealots rape marauders so FUCKING HARD it's obscene, you have very limited game knowledge to believe otherwise, just contemplate Terran OP in your own home and save everyone time Never ends does it? Gonna leave the thread now because people keep quoting me when I alrdy said I'm not wasting my time argueing when no one is ever gonna change their opinions. Gonna go play some LoL now.
KK leave when you don't know how to respond anymore to go play league. Your mind=argument won...yeah right
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On October 16 2011 11:04 FryktSkyene wrote:
HE IS NADA!
HE IS I AM!? lol
Can't believe this IdrA banter is still going on in this thread :p
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On October 16 2011 11:07 ChefTony wrote:
alright so what needs to happen for us not to have incontrol in drewbie in pool play?
They have to not show up to the tournament
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On October 16 2011 11:09 Randulfr wrote:
Is this lagging horribly only for me or ? Sick of seeing the MLG Icon in the middle of the screen every 10sec entire weekend.
it's in the dregs for me too now!
is SoTG streamed there too?
when, soon?
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Witch stream gonna stream stephano vs drewbie ?
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On October 16 2011 11:07 JohnnyBanana wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 11:06 Zalitara wrote:On October 16 2011 11:04 Makica wrote:On October 16 2011 11:01 hitpoint wrote:On October 16 2011 10:58 Soulish wrote:On October 16 2011 10:56 hitpoint wrote:On October 16 2011 10:53 JoeSchmoe wrote:On October 16 2011 10:50 TazzDingo wrote:On October 16 2011 10:42 JohnnyBanana wrote:On October 16 2011 10:42 RogerChillingworth wrote:
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Idra should have won it. But then Marineking outplayed Idra and won it instead. Today I learned: It's too hard for 90% on TL.net to understand that winning a match does not mean outplaying the opponent. Sheesh... First Huk-Hero, then IdrA-MKP... Unforced errors should not happen but they do happen sometimes. Has nothing to do with being outplayed... srsly guys. outplayed. simple as that. poor engagements by idra, no upgrades. these are fundamental mistakes. 2-0 mutas 2-1 lings vs 3-3 marines. I count 5 upgrades for idra, 6 for mkp. Yea HUGE difference. can't just add upgrades like that lol. Does 1/1 ling + 1/1 roach + 1/2 muta beat 3/3 marines? I agree. 3/3 marines completely rape anything with lower upgrades, and equal upgrades even. My point is that Idra was keeping up with upgrades, he just has to split them between units while mkp didn't. So I think mkp's upgrades were far better, but it wasn't for lack of idra upgrading - it's because marines are absurd. But he wasn't keeping up. You have to understand that 3-3 > 2-2 on all your units. Is that fair though? Doesn't it require so much more for a Zerg to get 3/3 on all the units he needs in on than it does for a Terran to get 3/3 on his marines? No? Terran on 3/3 and 2/0...completely out upgrading the Zerg. That wasn't what I said though. What I mean is isn't it much "harder" to have to get Hive tech for Zergs 3/3 than to get 3/3 on Marines with Armory up? If Terran 3/3 and Zerg 3/3 were on the same tech "tier" then you know that would be totally okay, I am not even saying it's not okay like it is, but you can't expect the Zerg to keep up when his 3/3 is so farther away than the Terrans or?
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Wouldn't be a real SC2 LR thread without the balance whine 
Looking at the LB, it seems that a Stephano vs Kiwi rematch is well underway, assuming that Stephano beats Drewbie. Although I would love for him to win it all, apparently theSTC commented that his coach helped him analyze Stephano enough to beat him earlier in the OB.
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On October 16 2011 11:08 zdragon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 11:06 Zooper31 wrote:On October 16 2011 11:04 Badfatpanda wrote:On October 16 2011 11:00 Zooper31 wrote:On October 16 2011 10:58 Courstice wrote:On October 16 2011 10:56 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On October 16 2011 10:52 JohnnyBanana wrote:On October 16 2011 10:50 Zooper31 wrote:On October 16 2011 10:48 Rebs wrote:On October 16 2011 10:46 Zooper31 wrote:
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It didn't look poor, it was poor, simple as that. MKP's own fault for getting his supply depots constantly picked off. hahaa yea you know theres a fanboy in the house when the other players problems are self inflicted and the the guy he supports lost because Terran op lolol. Yes I'm a fanboy of Idra's, doesn't change the fact that MKP played poorly and only won because of that last engage. Your fanboism is clearly showing. Sure you may think that MKP played poor, but what matters is that Idra played worse. Suicide units 2-3 at a time into a tank line with medivacs and marines all around... Yeah, MKP completely outplayed Idra that game. Were you watching another game? completely outplay would be clearly having the upper hand the majority of the game and not sustaining much yourself. You are a step ahead. His win was due to idra's sloppiness towards the end and not maintaining upgrades. That's just how it is with zerg, things can quickly go down the shitter. It's far less forgiving. 3/3 Marines > 1/1 Zerg. Just like 3/3 Zealots would > 1/1 Marauders. Simple. I don't think marauders would actually even lose that if micro'd properly with conc. On October 16 2011 11:00 Rebs wrote:On October 16 2011 10:59 Zooper31 wrote:On October 16 2011 10:57 minhbq299 wrote:On October 16 2011 10:50 Zooper31 wrote:On October 16 2011 10:48 Rebs wrote:On October 16 2011 10:46 Zooper31 wrote:
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It didn't look poor, it was poor, simple as that. MKP's own fault for getting his supply depots constantly picked off. hahaa yea you know theres a fanboy in the house when the other players problems are self inflicted and the the guy he supports lost because Terran op lolol. Yes I'm a fanboy of Idra's, doesn't change the fact that MKP played poorly and only won because of that last engage. Point out how was MKP playing poorly, he defends well against a 3 base zerg(4th base have no drones) when MKP just take his 3rd. Idra lost because he invest in mass units to attack, have nothing to fall back on (hive tech, infestors, no upgrades) => that's why he lose when he cant finish MKP. I will not comment on this match anymore but anyone who think idra is better player and MKP is not outplaying idra in that last game is delusional fanboyism and do not understand the game at all. Read the quote road and theres my answer, been said numerous times. Anyway I said I wasn't responding anymore cause I'm just wasting my time at this point. actually you were wasting your time from the start. Agreed. Zealots rape marauders so FUCKING HARD it's obscene, you have very limited game knowledge to believe otherwise, just contemplate Terran OP in your own home and save everyone time Never ends does it? Gonna leave the thread now because people keep quoting me when I alrdy said I'm not wasting my time argueing when no one is ever gonna change their opinions. Gonna go play some LoL now. Yea, but playing LoL just shows the level of your judgment. Online arguments: leave argument when you lose.
So now your bashing LoL? I'm sorry I found a free game thats fun to play.
Would you rather stay here and keep argueing my points when is completely pointless? It's like going into a debate knowing the debate will never end and neither side is going to give in. Just gets frustrating and energy draining and eventually I just give up because I'd rather spend my time elsewhere.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On October 16 2011 11:10 Zalitara wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 11:07 JohnnyBanana wrote:On October 16 2011 11:06 Zalitara wrote:On October 16 2011 11:04 Makica wrote:On October 16 2011 11:01 hitpoint wrote:On October 16 2011 10:58 Soulish wrote:On October 16 2011 10:56 hitpoint wrote:On October 16 2011 10:53 JoeSchmoe wrote:On October 16 2011 10:50 TazzDingo wrote:On October 16 2011 10:42 JohnnyBanana wrote:
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But then Marineking outplayed Idra and won it instead. Today I learned: It's too hard for 90% on TL.net to understand that winning a match does not mean outplaying the opponent. Sheesh... First Huk-Hero, then IdrA-MKP... Unforced errors should not happen but they do happen sometimes. Has nothing to do with being outplayed... srsly guys. outplayed. simple as that. poor engagements by idra, no upgrades. these are fundamental mistakes. 2-0 mutas 2-1 lings vs 3-3 marines. I count 5 upgrades for idra, 6 for mkp. Yea HUGE difference. can't just add upgrades like that lol. Does 1/1 ling + 1/1 roach + 1/2 muta beat 3/3 marines? I agree. 3/3 marines completely rape anything with lower upgrades, and equal upgrades even. My point is that Idra was keeping up with upgrades, he just has to split them between units while mkp didn't. So I think mkp's upgrades were far better, but it wasn't for lack of idra upgrading - it's because marines are absurd. But he wasn't keeping up. You have to understand that 3-3 > 2-2 on all your units. Is that fair though? Doesn't it require so much more for a Zerg to get 3/3 on all the units he needs in on than it does for a Terran to get 3/3 on his marines? No? Terran on 3/3 and 2/0...completely out upgrading the Zerg. That wasn't what I said though. What I mean is isn't it much "harder" to have to get Hive tech for Zergs 3/3 than to get 3/3 on Marines with Armory up? If Terran 3/3 and Zerg 3/3 were on the same tech "tier" then you know that would be totally okay, I am not even saying it's not okay like it is, but you can't expect the Zerg to keep up when his 3/3 is so farther away than the Terrans or?
Again...no.
Stephano regularly gets 3/3 by 10-12min on his lings. FAR FAR quicker than T.
T also has 6 different upgrade trees.
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