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On October 16 2011 11:10 Zalitara wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 11:07 JohnnyBanana wrote:On October 16 2011 11:06 Zalitara wrote:On October 16 2011 11:04 Makica wrote:On October 16 2011 11:01 hitpoint wrote:On October 16 2011 10:58 Soulish wrote:On October 16 2011 10:56 hitpoint wrote:On October 16 2011 10:53 JoeSchmoe wrote:On October 16 2011 10:50 TazzDingo wrote:On October 16 2011 10:42 JohnnyBanana wrote:
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But then Marineking outplayed Idra and won it instead. Today I learned: It's too hard for 90% on TL.net to understand that winning a match does not mean outplaying the opponent. Sheesh... First Huk-Hero, then IdrA-MKP... Unforced errors should not happen but they do happen sometimes. Has nothing to do with being outplayed... srsly guys. outplayed. simple as that. poor engagements by idra, no upgrades. these are fundamental mistakes. 2-0 mutas 2-1 lings vs 3-3 marines. I count 5 upgrades for idra, 6 for mkp. Yea HUGE difference. can't just add upgrades like that lol. Does 1/1 ling + 1/1 roach + 1/2 muta beat 3/3 marines? I agree. 3/3 marines completely rape anything with lower upgrades, and equal upgrades even. My point is that Idra was keeping up with upgrades, he just has to split them between units while mkp didn't. So I think mkp's upgrades were far better, but it wasn't for lack of idra upgrading - it's because marines are absurd. But he wasn't keeping up. You have to understand that 3-3 > 2-2 on all your units. Is that fair though? Doesn't it require so much more for a Zerg to get 3/3 on all the units he needs in on than it does for a Terran to get 3/3 on his marines? No? Terran on 3/3 and 2/0...completely out upgrading the Zerg. That wasn't what I said though. What I mean is isn't it much "harder" to have to get Hive tech for Zergs 3/3 than to get 3/3 on Marines with Armory up? If Terran 3/3 and Zerg 3/3 were on the same tech "tier" then you know that would be totally okay, I am not even saying it's not okay like it is, but you can't expect the Zerg to keep up when his 3/3 is so farther away than the Terrans or?
I would expect the zerg to keep up if he was on 3 mining bases vs 1 1/2
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On October 16 2011 11:10 bkrow wrote:HE IS I AM!? lol Can't believe this IdrA banter is still going on in this thread :p
MY NAME IS MY NAME.
(though I'm not sure I'd like Nada as Marlo)
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also want to give some props to Husky on turning in another sterling performance, he's really won me over with these last few MLG's
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Any chance of state of the game tonight?
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On October 16 2011 11:10 bkrow wrote:HE IS I AM!? lol Can't believe this IdrA banter is still going on in this thread :p
ah c'mon that happens everytime
also i'm acually sad now because that kind of deprives HuK of his chance to epically murder Idra in proxy for MC :o
why u win MKP 
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Looks like it will be Inori vs Slush
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On October 16 2011 11:09 zdragon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 11:07 hitpoint wrote:On October 16 2011 11:05 zdragon wrote:On October 16 2011 11:01 hitpoint wrote:On October 16 2011 10:58 Soulish wrote:On October 16 2011 10:56 hitpoint wrote:On October 16 2011 10:53 JoeSchmoe wrote:On October 16 2011 10:50 TazzDingo wrote:On October 16 2011 10:42 JohnnyBanana wrote:On October 16 2011 10:42 RogerChillingworth wrote:
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Idra should have won it. But then Marineking outplayed Idra and won it instead. Today I learned: It's too hard for 90% on TL.net to understand that winning a match does not mean outplaying the opponent. Sheesh... First Huk-Hero, then IdrA-MKP... Unforced errors should not happen but they do happen sometimes. Has nothing to do with being outplayed... srsly guys. outplayed. simple as that. poor engagements by idra, no upgrades. these are fundamental mistakes. 2-0 mutas 2-1 lings vs 3-3 marines. I count 5 upgrades for idra, 6 for mkp. Yea HUGE difference. can't just add upgrades like that lol. Does 1/1 ling + 1/1 roach + 1/2 muta beat 3/3 marines? I agree. 3/3 marines completely rape anything with lower upgrades, and equal upgrades even. My point is that Idra was keeping up with upgrades, he just has to split them between units while mkp didn't. So I think mkp's upgrades were far better, but it wasn't for lack of idra upgrading - it's because marines are absurd. Is this a joke? T was upgrading mech too. At least +1 on mech, if not +2, so there's your equivalent to the muta 2-0. The other absurd thing shit players say is that you need Hive units vs marines. Sure broods help, but you can't ignore the reverse - that T tier3 far more useless against any Z composition. There's no magic make 7 BC's and win button. Besides, the actual units are only part of the equation - positioning and timing is so important to be able to set up the econ. I agree with the second part. BC's are awful and it's a shame, but terran never needs them so I don't know why you even bring it up. So why bring up the late game viability of upgraded marines, if T doesn't have any late game units?
They have viable late game units. BC just isn't one of them.
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On October 16 2011 10:41 MrSexington wrote:
Top 6 Korean again?
4 of 6 already Korean? Will anyone not sneak in the remaining two spots?
*sheds zerg tears*
Huk is not Korean.
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Like I said earlier, MKP could/would have 2-raxed with bunkers Idra in any of the games. I have no doubt in my mind that he'd have done so if the series were a GSL one. He wanted to play macro games for the fans and we got to see that Idra is indeed capable of hanging there with him. Let's be happy with awesome games. (I say this as one amongst the many anti-Terrans in TL)
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I guess Stephano isn't getting casted?
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Once again, very nice recap video of the previous MLG! I liked it.
Come on Slush! Take out Inori! You're not a protoss so you have a chance! 
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On October 16 2011 11:10 cyprin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 11:07 ChefTony wrote:
alright so what needs to happen for us not to have incontrol in drewbie in pool play? They have to not show up to the tournament
Drewbie was only 28th before Orlando, so just 16 players with more points than him have to just actually show up next time.
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Whitera out of the tournament t.t
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On October 16 2011 11:07 ChefTony wrote:
alright so what needs to happen for us not to have incontrol in drewbie in pool play?
For them to keep losing games like they have been, And for the Koreans who get invited to return for every event instead of taking the point out of the pool causing others less then stellar results to hold there place just for showing up.
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Is there a place I kind find the Day 3 broadcast schedule?
I need to run some errands, don't want to miss semis and finals.
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Inori Slush on Red/Blue
Incontrol Polt on White
Kawaii Tyler on Black
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on the schedule stephano is supposed to be on red stream wtf mlg ?
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Lol @ the people using playing LoL as an argument to discredit the dude. You are ridiculous, cry like little babies when BW elitists say SC2 is a newb game but do the same with with LoL. You should be ashamed, really.
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On October 16 2011 11:12 hitpoint wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2011 11:09 zdragon wrote:On October 16 2011 11:07 hitpoint wrote:On October 16 2011 11:05 zdragon wrote:On October 16 2011 11:01 hitpoint wrote:On October 16 2011 10:58 Soulish wrote:On October 16 2011 10:56 hitpoint wrote:On October 16 2011 10:53 JoeSchmoe wrote:On October 16 2011 10:50 TazzDingo wrote:On October 16 2011 10:42 JohnnyBanana wrote:
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But then Marineking outplayed Idra and won it instead. Today I learned: It's too hard for 90% on TL.net to understand that winning a match does not mean outplaying the opponent. Sheesh... First Huk-Hero, then IdrA-MKP... Unforced errors should not happen but they do happen sometimes. Has nothing to do with being outplayed... srsly guys. outplayed. simple as that. poor engagements by idra, no upgrades. these are fundamental mistakes. 2-0 mutas 2-1 lings vs 3-3 marines. I count 5 upgrades for idra, 6 for mkp. Yea HUGE difference. can't just add upgrades like that lol. Does 1/1 ling + 1/1 roach + 1/2 muta beat 3/3 marines? I agree. 3/3 marines completely rape anything with lower upgrades, and equal upgrades even. My point is that Idra was keeping up with upgrades, he just has to split them between units while mkp didn't. So I think mkp's upgrades were far better, but it wasn't for lack of idra upgrading - it's because marines are absurd. Is this a joke? T was upgrading mech too. At least +1 on mech, if not +2, so there's your equivalent to the muta 2-0. The other absurd thing shit players say is that you need Hive units vs marines. Sure broods help, but you can't ignore the reverse - that T tier3 far more useless against any Z composition. There's no magic make 7 BC's and win button. Besides, the actual units are only part of the equation - positioning and timing is so important to be able to set up the econ. I agree with the second part. BC's are awful and it's a shame, but terran never needs them so I don't know why you even bring it up. So why bring up the late game viability of upgraded marines, if T doesn't have any late game units? They have viable late game units. BC just isn't one of them.
Just mass Ghosts as the only viable late game comp vs Z...and there's already so much QQ about that, I don't want to discuss that : \
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wait a second...how long are they going to play today?
it's already 4AM dammit x.x
the whole Championship Bracket?
god help me
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