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Shurayuki
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2665 Posts
October 16 2011 02:15 GMT
#9301
On October 16 2011 11:13 Shika wrote:
Haha SaSe fangirl is the best! <3


you don't know the first thing!

Bisu fangirl for the eternity AIUR
なまいきになんなよ~ Don't be too stakka~ ☆ SKT Harlequin ☆ n.Die_soO Hoppin You ♪ 愛 am BeSt ♪ ワイフ♥小早川りんこ
K3Nyy
Profile Joined February 2010
United States1961 Posts
October 16 2011 02:15 GMT
#9302
On October 16 2011 11:14 eviltomahawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2011 11:12 LorDo wrote:
On October 16 2011 10:41 MrSexington wrote:
Top 6 Korean again?

4 of 6 already Korean? Will anyone not sneak in the remaining two spots?

*sheds zerg tears*



Huk is not Korean.

Although that point has been debated for countless ages around these parts, and no real conclusion has been made so far.

To me, he is European because he is of Caucasian descent, though you could argue that he is actually African due to ancestral migrations.


When people say Korean they usually mean Korean in terms of actually spending time in Korea. That's why we call Select a foreigner and not a Korean.
Turbogangsta
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia319 Posts
October 16 2011 02:16 GMT
#9303
WHY IDRA WHY WHYYYYY QQQQQQQQQQQQQQ /WRISTS PLEASE IDRA POELASE YOU HAVE TO BEAT THE EVIL TERRANS WWWWWWAAAAHHHH IDRA COMON SON
Esports is killing Esports.
NuclearJudas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
6546 Posts
October 16 2011 02:16 GMT
#9304
On October 16 2011 11:15 NuclearJudas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2011 11:14 NuclearJudas wrote:
Another terrible LR coming up!
Tyler vs KawaiiRice
Xel'Naga Caverns

Tyler spawns up top and KR down low.
Tyler: "motha ship"

Gate+Gas for Tyler, Barracks+Gas for KR

Core finishes for Tyler, Orbital going up for KR. Tyler getting his second gas.
Life is like Tetris. Your errors pile up but your accomplishments disappear. - Robert Ohlén | http://railroaddiary.wordpress.com/ - My words about stuff.
NuclearJudas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
6546 Posts
October 16 2011 02:16 GMT
#9305
On October 16 2011 11:16 NuclearJudas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2011 11:15 NuclearJudas wrote:
On October 16 2011 11:14 NuclearJudas wrote:
Another terrible LR coming up!
Tyler vs KawaiiRice
Xel'Naga Caverns

Tyler spawns up top and KR down low.
Tyler: "motha ship"

Gate+Gas for Tyler, Barracks+Gas for KR

Core finishes for Tyler, Orbital going up for KR. Tyler getting his second gas.

KR getting a Fac, Tyler getting WG research and a second gate. Stargate coming up for Tyler.
Life is like Tetris. Your errors pile up but your accomplishments disappear. - Robert Ohlén | http://railroaddiary.wordpress.com/ - My words about stuff.
xevis
Profile Joined September 2010
United States218 Posts
October 16 2011 02:16 GMT
#9306
Did Huk leave EG?
How can you have any pudding if you don't eat your meat?
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
October 16 2011 02:16 GMT
#9307
On October 16 2011 11:15 K3Nyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2011 11:14 eviltomahawk wrote:
On October 16 2011 11:12 LorDo wrote:
On October 16 2011 10:41 MrSexington wrote:
Top 6 Korean again?

4 of 6 already Korean? Will anyone not sneak in the remaining two spots?

*sheds zerg tears*



Huk is not Korean.

Although that point has been debated for countless ages around these parts, and no real conclusion has been made so far.

To me, he is European because he is of Caucasian descent, though you could argue that he is actually African due to ancestral migrations.


When people say Korean they usually mean Korean in terms of actually spending time in Korea. That's why we call Select a foreigner and not a Korean.

Yep. Obviously HuK is a white dude and American-Canadian. What matters for SC though is his training, which is obviously Korean.
teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-16 02:18:30
October 16 2011 02:17 GMT
#9308
On October 16 2011 11:08 mordk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2011 11:00 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On October 16 2011 10:57 JohnnyBanana wrote:
On October 16 2011 10:56 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
On October 16 2011 10:52 JohnnyBanana wrote:
On October 16 2011 10:50 Zooper31 wrote:
On October 16 2011 10:48 Rebs wrote:
On October 16 2011 10:46 Zooper31 wrote:
On October 16 2011 10:45 Mordiford wrote:
On October 16 2011 10:45 Zooper31 wrote:
[quote]

So you're blaming Idra for killing stray buildings? I'm really confused...


No, he's explaining why MKP's macro looked poor.


It didn't look poor, it was poor, simple as that. MKP's own fault for getting his supply depots constantly picked off.



hahaa yea you know theres a fanboy in the house when the other players problems are self inflicted and the the guy he supports lost because Terran op lolol.


Yes I'm a fanboy of Idra's, doesn't change the fact that MKP played poorly and only won because of that last engage.


Your fanboism is clearly showing. Sure you may think that MKP played poor, but what matters is that Idra played worse. Suicide units 2-3 at a time into a tank line with medivacs and marines all around...

Yeah, MKP completely outplayed Idra that game.


Were you watching another game? completely outplay would be clearly having the upper hand the majority of the game and not sustaining much yourself. You are a step ahead. His win was due to idra's sloppiness towards the end and not maintaining upgrades.

That's just how it is with zerg, things can quickly go down the shitter. It's far less forgiving.


Were YOU watching another game? MKP did have the upper hand ALL GAME long. Did you not see his upgrades? His win was due to holding the upper hand all game and then completely steam rolling Idra at the end. Simple as that.


Dude, his economy was in the toilet and he was dropping constantly in supply. All idra had to do was hold the last push and that was it. He didn't though.


I think you're missing the reasons why MKP's macro looked so bad, you're not looking beyond the numbers:

-Basically, MKP made a quick tech into 3-3 build, sacrificing his production in the start of the game, with the intention of putting it back on on the mid-late game thus ensuring a rollover with massive upgraded marines.
-Idra was apparently caught off guard by the quick upgrades
-In this situation, Idra's response was to stop MKP's production by sniping supply depots, and to delay MKP's pushes by sniping tanks.
-Because of this, MKP was severely supply blocked, and his marine count was held back. This meant MKP could not stop producing marines to make reactors, because he might have been overwhelmed by mutas.
-By doing this, however, Idra's mutalisks were forced into small encounters with MKP's heavily upgraded marines, this means muta numbers never went over the top as Idra likes.

The end result of all of this is an apparent weak macro by MKP, when he was actually strangled into that position, you can tell he was actually macroing by looking at his SCV count, despite losing around 50 SCVs to harass he kept the number high, all while attempting to take a 4th even while harassed. All this also meant that Idra had to keep replenishing mutas, which kept his tech back, probably delaying infestors a bit. By the time MKP pushed idra had no counter to MKP's upgraded marines.

Or maybe I'm reading too much into it lol, but that's how I see it. MKP only had an apparent bad macro, but he was actually executing his build really well, he probably could have added barracks though, but he was being stressed by harass.

Everything you said was true. MKP didn't have the time to make reactors due to Idra's constant pressure, but that doesn't excuse him for not making a few barracks instead. Even with that mistake though, Idra made an even bigger mistake falling behind in upgrades and sacrificing his mutas to marines at the end.
minhbq299
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom566 Posts
October 16 2011 02:17 GMT
#9309
hero beat huk btw...
SlayerS_Puzzle, oGsMC, Liquid'Hero, FXOz, ST.Parting, , NSHoseoJjakji, SlayerS_CoCa, DRG
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
October 16 2011 02:17 GMT
#9310
On October 16 2011 11:16 Turbogangsta wrote:
WHY IDRA WHY WHYYYYY QQQQQQQQQQQQQQ /WRISTS PLEASE IDRA POELASE YOU HAVE TO BEAT THE EVIL TERRANS WWWWWWAAAAHHHH IDRA COMON SON


At first I laughed at the sarcastic post, but now I am unsure if this is actually sarcasm since so many IdrA fanboys actually act like this...
Tantaburs
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1825 Posts
October 16 2011 02:17 GMT
#9311
On October 16 2011 11:14 TheHova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2011 11:12 LorDo wrote:
On October 16 2011 10:41 MrSexington wrote:
Top 6 Korean again?

4 of 6 already Korean? Will anyone not sneak in the remaining two spots?

*sheds zerg tears*



Huk is not Korean.


In some peoples world he is.


TBH if we count HuK as a non korean we have to count Select as a korean
"One cannot play StarCraft with clenched fish.." ~Nick "Confucius" Plott
Jackle
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada859 Posts
October 16 2011 02:17 GMT
#9312
lol Day9 said Huk beat Hero, then retracts it, then says it again.
You called down the thunder, now reap the whirlwind.
Tewks44
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2032 Posts
October 16 2011 02:17 GMT
#9313
I wanna see a Tyler vs. Incontrol showmatch
"that is our ethos; free content, starcraft content, websites that work occasionally" -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
Zalitara
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway361 Posts
October 16 2011 02:17 GMT
#9314
On October 16 2011 11:14 TheHova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2011 11:12 LorDo wrote:
On October 16 2011 10:41 MrSexington wrote:
Top 6 Korean again?

4 of 6 already Korean? Will anyone not sneak in the remaining two spots?

*sheds zerg tears*



Huk is not Korean.


In some peoples world he is.
Of course HuK isn't korean, but it's hard to say if he qualifies to be "foreign". SCII skill obviously has nothing to do with nationality, so "korean" and "foreigner" is pretty misleading, because it has to do with where you train and how much. Practising in Korea is often better than practising in any other country, and HuK has been in Korea for a long time now. I think we can say he is korean trained at this point, and that is what matters and should put him in the "korean" group because nationality doesn't have anything to do with it.
Live to win
StaticMilk
Profile Joined June 2011
19 Posts
October 16 2011 02:17 GMT
#9315
On October 16 2011 11:01 zzdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2011 10:57 minhbq299 wrote:
On October 16 2011 10:50 Zooper31 wrote:
On October 16 2011 10:48 Rebs wrote:
On October 16 2011 10:46 Zooper31 wrote:
On October 16 2011 10:45 Mordiford wrote:
On October 16 2011 10:45 Zooper31 wrote:
On October 16 2011 10:42 hitpoint wrote:
On October 16 2011 10:41 Zooper31 wrote:
On October 16 2011 10:38 TYJ.Aoy wrote:
[quote]
No he wasn't banking 2k minerals the entire time, he started banking once he started getting attacked from 2 sides, it's easier to attack than it is to defend most of the time.


Check the replay MKP was above 1500 minerals for the last 5min of the game and never went below 1k at any point and even floated above 2k at the very end. His highest supply was like 150 at some point, 0 reason for that, didnt even have a single reactor.

On your easier to attack then defend point. Idra never floated above like 500 minerals when defending both attacks perfectly. Idra outplayed him most of the game and then had a single bad engage at the end that lost him the game because 3-3 marines are godly good with 6 medivacs.


Idra was sniping all his depots. MKP was supply blocked for a huge span of time.


So you're blaming Idra for killing stray buildings? I'm really confused...


No, he's explaining why MKP's macro looked poor.


It didn't look poor, it was poor, simple as that. MKP's own fault for getting his supply depots constantly picked off.



hahaa yea you know theres a fanboy in the house when the other players problems are self inflicted and the the guy he supports lost because Terran op lolol.


Yes I'm a fanboy of Idra's, doesn't change the fact that MKP played poorly and only won because of that last engage.


Point out how was MKP playing poorly, he defends well against a 3 base zerg(4th base have no drones) when MKP just take his 3rd. Idra lost because he invest in mass units to attack, have nothing to fall back on (hive tech, infestors, no upgrades) => that's why he lose when he cant finish MKP.

I will not comment on this match anymore but anyone who think idra is better player and MKP is not outplaying idra in that last game is delusional fanboyism and do not understand the game at all.

MKP get Idra to cancel his 3rd. Idra then snipes all MKP's tanks, constantly harrasses, taking out scvs, depots, and denying more expansions.

MKP gets 3-3 marines, a bunch of medivacs and wins.

It's hard to say he out played him when MKP was losing a lot and manages to win due to a handful of marines.


Forgot to mention how MKP took a quick third and barely defended it against Idra. That's a lot of drones he could be making.
leungwk01
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1260 Posts
October 16 2011 02:17 GMT
#9316
Polt going to 1-1-1 incontrol.
Shurayuki
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2665 Posts
October 16 2011 02:17 GMT
#9317
On October 16 2011 11:15 K3Nyy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2011 11:14 eviltomahawk wrote:
On October 16 2011 11:12 LorDo wrote:
On October 16 2011 10:41 MrSexington wrote:
Top 6 Korean again?

4 of 6 already Korean? Will anyone not sneak in the remaining two spots?

*sheds zerg tears*



Huk is not Korean.

Although that point has been debated for countless ages around these parts, and no real conclusion has been made so far.

To me, he is European because he is of Caucasian descent, though you could argue that he is actually African due to ancestral migrations.


When people say Korean they usually mean Korean in terms of actually spending time in Korea. That's why we call Select a foreigner and not a Korean.


and also why i still consider HuK to be more on the korean side of things >_>

anything else would almost be implying again that koreans have some SC-gene

which might as well be true at this point...*cough*
なまいきになんなよ~ Don't be too stakka~ ☆ SKT Harlequin ☆ n.Die_soO Hoppin You ♪ 愛 am BeSt ♪ ワイフ♥小早川りんこ
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
October 16 2011 02:17 GMT
#9318
On October 16 2011 11:16 xevis wrote:
Did Huk leave EG?

No, MLG just forces you to keep using the same name that you originally registered with.
NuclearJudas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
6546 Posts
October 16 2011 02:17 GMT
#9319
On October 16 2011 11:16 NuclearJudas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2011 11:16 NuclearJudas wrote:
On October 16 2011 11:15 NuclearJudas wrote:
On October 16 2011 11:14 NuclearJudas wrote:
Another terrible LR coming up!
Tyler vs KawaiiRice
Xel'Naga Caverns

Tyler spawns up top and KR down low.
Tyler: "motha ship"

Gate+Gas for Tyler, Barracks+Gas for KR

Core finishes for Tyler, Orbital going up for KR. Tyler getting his second gas.

KR getting a Fac, Tyler getting WG research and a second gate. Stargate coming up for Tyler.

Whoops, Tyler actually got the SG before his gate, I think. Tyler starts Phoenix production. Kawaii getting a second CC.
Life is like Tetris. Your errors pile up but your accomplishments disappear. - Robert Ohlén | http://railroaddiary.wordpress.com/ - My words about stuff.
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
October 16 2011 02:17 GMT
#9320
On October 16 2011 11:16 xevis wrote:
Did Huk leave EG?


No, MLG lists nicknames as they registered for the first time, at least in most cases. Sometimes Idra is listed as Idra1 instead of EGIdra, for example.
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