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On October 10 2011 12:42 ThisGS wrote: IdrA wins IEM china: "IdrA best foreigner"
Stephano wins IPL3, 10x harder to do, demolishing the player who knocked out IdrA: "Stephano sux, he just got lucky" "IdrA's play is clearly better" and furthermore: "Stephano is the best player in the world"
why cant ppl just enjoy what just happened.
I agree entirely. I feel like in this tournament there are some very extreme views on both ends. I'm not trying to discredit Stephano but I think it's partically due to the fact he was far more unknown than IdrA. Not saying anything about his skill but before this tournament if you grouped Stephano into "best foreign zerg" you would probably be laughed it. With this (fairly unexpected) win there are going to be some pretty big reactions on both sides.
Stephano wasn't unknown at all before this tournament, you ignorant american! He pwned HuK at the last Homestory Cup and has been better than IdrA for several months now. I'd say he and Dimaga are the best foreign zergs when they're at their best.
On October 10 2011 12:37 Dante08 wrote: Cmon guys you have to admit Stephano got a relatively easy bracket. Not taking anything away from his win, I watched the ZvZ finals and he completely outplayed Lucky. His game sense is crazy.
The moment you say that you are taking away from his win. He didn't have an easy bracket, people try to find ways to discredit a player if they were not their favorite to win it.
Yeah, it's really sad, imo.
No, Stephano did not beat - head-to-head - the Korean players who were considered the best coming into the tournament - that would be MMA, MC, Ryung, and Puma - but he beat all the players who beat them.
And by beating them, those players showed that they were themselves top-level players. So why take away from Stephano?
I think a lot of people feel that Stephano is getting more credit than he's due. From my perspective, this cycle of overhyping one messiah only to abandon him and move onto another is pretty unhealthy. Stephano had a great tournament and is obviously a top player, but him beating mid-tier Koreans, (yes, they are mid-tier, because they have not shown to be consistently top-tier -- this should be an easy concept) in one tournament isn't any kind of proof that he's the greatest European player, or whatever else people are saying.
While some are trying to discredit Stephano maliciously, that doesn't mean the points raised by others aren't legitimate.
Really? Is every north american contaminated with ignorance now? Do you know anything about the european scene? Stephano is winning absolutely everything and european players are miles ahead of NA players, so Stephano is obviously the best foreigner, how can you even doubt that? You should watch some EU tournament streams or his own stream and stop being so goddamn ignorant.
you call people out for discrediting his win and then do exactly the same and it's all based on typical north american ignorance, it's not just americans I've made the experience that canadians can and actually are a million times more ignorant than americans, there's just so few of them that nobody usually cares about them.
Whoah; that's a really dangerous post right there.
Why is it dangerous? it's the truth, look at all the north americans in this thread and how they are bming stephano.
stephano has shown consistent results over a couple of months now, he has dominated the EU ladder, EU tournaments and now IPL 3. Yet there still are people who claim that "hes not that good". I mean seriously? How ignorant can you be.... name one foreigner that is actually better than him.... I really want to know? Thorzain? He played this tournament and lost, Idra? he lost to the guy stephano beat..... Huk? Huk lost to stephano...so who is better, seriously?
This is what I mean by ignorance... the guy just won a major tournament with some of the very top koreans participating and all people have to do is talk a huge load of crap about him. And it's mainly north americans.... if you don't want to be called ignorant then simply -> don't be so ignorant all the time.
Not to be ignorant or anything (and im in NA...)
But He didn't play "The best koreans" he played good ones. Not the very top ones though. Also, one tourny win does'nt make you better than everyone else just because they were also in it.
Thats like saying MVP didn't win Code S this season so obv the guy who knocked him out is better, Which is just not the case.
Edit: Before I get flamed, He did play amazing and he did deserve that win. He's also a top foerigner imo. The Best? Debateable.
But my point is that it's not just this one tournament, he's dominating the EU scene for literally months now, I know you are probably not aware of this (which is in fact ignorance) and I don't blame you for that, I know very little about NA american players (but thats mainly down to the fact that most of them really aren't very good), I however blame you guys for not listening to the europeans that know the european scene much better than you do.
Why is it so hard for you to accept that stephano is the best european player at the moment? I know that because I watch most of the european tournaments and he is absolutely demolishing everyone there. So yes, the actual ignorance is that you just won't listen.
Like I said it's not just IPL3, he also dominated europe over the last few months, so I'm 100% sure that he's the best foreigner at the moment.
On October 10 2011 12:37 Dante08 wrote: Cmon guys you have to admit Stephano got a relatively easy bracket. Not taking anything away from his win, I watched the ZvZ finals and he completely outplayed Lucky. His game sense is crazy.
The moment you say that you are taking away from his win. He didn't have an easy bracket, people try to find ways to discredit a player if they were not their favorite to win it.
Yeah, it's really sad, imo.
No, Stephano did not beat - head-to-head - the Korean players who were considered the best coming into the tournament - that would be MMA, MC, Ryung, and Puma - but he beat all the players who beat them.
And by beating them, those players showed that they were themselves top-level players. So why take away from Stephano?
I think a lot of people feel that Stephano is getting more credit than he's due. From my perspective, this cycle of overhyping one messiah only to abandon him and move onto another is pretty unhealthy. Stephano had a great tournament and is obviously a top player, but him beating mid-tier Koreans, (yes, they are mid-tier, because they have not shown to be consistently top-tier -- this should be an easy concept) in one tournament isn't any kind of proof that he's the greatest European player, or whatever else people are saying.
While some are trying to discredit Stephano maliciously, that doesn't mean the points raised by others aren't legitimate.
Really? Is every north american contaminated with ignorance now? Do you know anything about the european scene? Stephano is winning absolutely everything and european players are miles ahead of NA players, so Stephano is obviously the best foreigner, how can you even doubt that? You should watch some EU tournament streams or his own stream and stop being so goddamn ignorant.
you call people out for discrediting his win and then do exactly the same and it's all based on typical north american ignorance, it's not just americans I've made the experience that canadians can and actually are a million times more ignorant than americans, there's just so few of them that nobody usually cares about them.
The point I was making was that regardless of whether Stephano proves to be the best European player or not, his performance this tournament does not make it indisputable, and to make such an assessment requires a long-term view.
What does that have to do with whether I know anything about the European scene? Get a grip, maybe?
The real question is, why do you (and others, in all mentions of "you") feel this is the moment to tell Stephano fans their hero sucks, or at least isn't as good as they think?
Not to say you're to blame - I don't understand the over reacting emotionally instable fans either.
Of course you're right and rational, but your timing sucks.
Well personally, I only posted in this thread in defense of those getting accused of being assholes for expressing their opinion that Stephano had a relatively easy bracket, which was a statement I agreed with overall. The purpose of an LR thread is for people to discuss results, so I don't see why it's not legitimate for people to share those kinds of opinions. I mean, this isn't the Stephano appreciation thread, so people shouldn't expect everyone else to be as excited/hyped for a player as they are.
People are going to be upset when folks try to discredit or belittle someone's skill level or ability based on unsubstantial reasoning, especially after a great tournament run like Stephano's. It doesn't really make sense to say "Oh he's the greatest foreigner right now," but you have to realize you can't really say he's not, either. I, for one, don't think Stephano had an easy bracket. I mean, look at the players he beat in this tournament - MarineKing, MMA, HuK, TheStC, Violet, and Lucky. That's a pretty impressive list to me, but it is irrelevant to my point.
You are being rational, and I am not arguing that Stephano is the best foreigner or the next zerg savior or anything like that. But why continuously try to bring him down just because he didn't get to face MMA? Is that actually a good reason to knock him down, the fact that he destroyed the player who beat MMA and Ryung? I mean, why is it so important that you (not you, specifically) let everyone know you think he had an easy run and don't think he's as good as some other fans think? Stephano played amazingly throughout this entire tournament, and I am fine with people being super excited with (and perhaps exaggerating) his accomplishment here.
I am rambling a bit but I guess my point is let's just appreciate what Stephano has achieved in this tournament. He represented the foreigners well and pulled off a great win against some tough adds stacked against him. In a dominant fashion, too. Cherish it, and move on. I just find it pointless to really get heated about how well he would do in GSL or whether he's the best foreigner or not.
I think it was absolutely beautiful that he won this tournament. He played better than anyone else at this tournament. But just because he wins 1 tournament means that he's the best foreign player? Where are all the people that said that thorzain was the best foreigner after he almost beat drg at valencia? Sure stephano is one of the best, but the absolute best? No not at all.
wooh! I woke up and saw that Stephano beat theStC and the final even 4-0 against Lucky, that made my day allready so good, allthough it just started here!
Gratz to Stephano, finally a big win, so ppl can really see how good he is!!!
On October 10 2011 12:37 Dante08 wrote: Cmon guys you have to admit Stephano got a relatively easy bracket. Not taking anything away from his win, I watched the ZvZ finals and he completely outplayed Lucky. His game sense is crazy.
The moment you say that you are taking away from his win. He didn't have an easy bracket, people try to find ways to discredit a player if they were not their favorite to win it.
Yeah, it's really sad, imo.
No, Stephano did not beat - head-to-head - the Korean players who were considered the best coming into the tournament - that would be MMA, MC, Ryung, and Puma - but he beat all the players who beat them.
And by beating them, those players showed that they were themselves top-level players. So why take away from Stephano?
I think a lot of people feel that Stephano is getting more credit than he's due. From my perspective, this cycle of overhyping one messiah only to abandon him and move onto another is pretty unhealthy. Stephano had a great tournament and is obviously a top player, but him beating mid-tier Koreans, (yes, they are mid-tier, because they have not shown to be consistently top-tier -- this should be an easy concept) in one tournament isn't any kind of proof that he's the greatest European player, or whatever else people are saying.
While some are trying to discredit Stephano maliciously, that doesn't mean the points raised by others aren't legitimate.
Really? Is every north american contaminated with ignorance now? Do you know anything about the european scene? Stephano is winning absolutely everything and european players are miles ahead of NA players, so Stephano is obviously the best foreigner, how can you even doubt that? You should watch some EU tournament streams or his own stream and stop being so goddamn ignorant.
you call people out for discrediting his win and then do exactly the same and it's all based on typical north american ignorance, it's not just americans I've made the experience that canadians can and actually are a million times more ignorant than americans, there's just so few of them that nobody usually cares about them.
Whoah; that's a really dangerous post right there.
Why is it dangerous? it's the truth, look at all the north americans in this thread and how they are bming stephano.
stephano has shown consistent results over a couple of months now, he has dominated the EU ladder, EU tournaments and now IPL 3. Yet there still are people who claim that "hes not that good". I mean seriously? How ignorant can you be.... name one foreigner that is actually better than him.... I really want to know? Thorzain? He played this tournament and lost, Idra? he lost to the guy stephano beat..... Huk? Huk lost to stephano...so who is better, seriously?
This is what I mean by ignorance... the guy just won a major tournament with some of the very top koreans participating and all people have to do is talk a huge load of crap about him. And it's mainly north americans.... if you don't want to be called ignorant then simply -> don't be so ignorant all the time.
Not to be ignorant or anything (and im in NA...)
But He didn't play "The best koreans" he played good ones. Not the very top ones though. Also, one tourny win does'nt make you better than everyone else just because they were also in it.
Thats like saying MVP didn't win Code S this season so obv the guy who knocked him out is better, Which is just not the case.
Edit: Before I get flamed, He did play amazing and he did deserve that win. He's also a top foerigner imo. The Best? Debateable.
But my point is that it's not just this one tournament, he's dominating the EU scene for literally months now, I know you are probably not aware of this (which is in fact ignorance) and I don't blame you for that, I know very little about NA american players (but thats mainly down to the fact that most of them really aren't very good), I however blame you guys for not listening to the europeans that know the european scene much better than you do.
Why is it so hard for you to accept that stephano is the best european player at the moment? I know that because I watch most of the european tournaments and he is absolutely demolishing everyone there. So yes, the actual ignorance is that you just won't listen.
Like I said it's not just IPL3, he also dominated europe over the last few months, so I'm 100% sure that he's the best foreigner at the moment.
so...that's your good reason for making racist comments and do a massive generalization? really?
IMO, Stephano and IdrA both performed awesome these past two weeks. IdrA with the IEM Guangzhou win showed that he's back in form, and he put up a good show in IPL as well, sadly losing to STC's early game pressure in the Ro8. Stephano, meanwhile, gave foreigners a second win in an important and high-prize tournament within barely a week of IdrA's win.
These two have brought the foreigner scene to new heights, just as Thorzain did in TSL 3 and HuK did in Dreamhack and Homestory. They showed that the foreigner scene in SC 2 was not just a pushover, and that yes - foreigners can compete.
On October 10 2011 12:37 Dante08 wrote: Cmon guys you have to admit Stephano got a relatively easy bracket. Not taking anything away from his win, I watched the ZvZ finals and he completely outplayed Lucky. His game sense is crazy.
The moment you say that you are taking away from his win. He didn't have an easy bracket, people try to find ways to discredit a player if they were not their favorite to win it.
Yeah, it's really sad, imo.
No, Stephano did not beat - head-to-head - the Korean players who were considered the best coming into the tournament - that would be MMA, MC, Ryung, and Puma - but he beat all the players who beat them.
And by beating them, those players showed that they were themselves top-level players. So why take away from Stephano?
I think a lot of people feel that Stephano is getting more credit than he's due. From my perspective, this cycle of overhyping one messiah only to abandon him and move onto another is pretty unhealthy. Stephano had a great tournament and is obviously a top player, but him beating mid-tier Koreans, (yes, they are mid-tier, because they have not shown to be consistently top-tier -- this should be an easy concept) in one tournament isn't any kind of proof that he's the greatest European player, or whatever else people are saying.
While some are trying to discredit Stephano maliciously, that doesn't mean the points raised by others aren't legitimate.
Really? Is every north american contaminated with ignorance now? Do you know anything about the european scene? Stephano is winning absolutely everything and european players are miles ahead of NA players, so Stephano is obviously the best foreigner, how can you even doubt that? You should watch some EU tournament streams or his own stream and stop being so goddamn ignorant.
you call people out for discrediting his win and then do exactly the same and it's all based on typical north american ignorance, it's not just americans I've made the experience that canadians can and actually are a million times more ignorant than americans, there's just so few of them that nobody usually cares about them.
The point I was making was that regardless of whether Stephano proves to be the best European player or not, his performance this tournament does not make it indisputable, and to make such an assessment requires a long-term view.
What does that have to do with whether I know anything about the European scene? Get a grip, maybe?
The real question is, why do you (and others, in all mentions of "you") feel this is the moment to tell Stephano fans their hero sucks, or at least isn't as good as they think?
Not to say you're to blame - I don't understand the over reacting emotionally instable fans either.
Of course you're right and rational, but your timing sucks.
Well personally, I only posted in this thread in defense of those getting accused of being assholes for expressing their opinion that Stephano had a relatively easy bracket, which was a statement I agreed with overall. The purpose of an LR thread is for people to discuss results, so I don't see why it's not legitimate for people to share those kinds of opinions. I mean, this isn't the Stephano appreciation thread, so people shouldn't expect everyone else to be as excited/hyped for a player as they are.
People are going to be upset when folks try to discredit or belittle someone's skill level or ability based on unsubstantial reasoning, especially after a great tournament run like Stephano's. It doesn't really make sense to say "Oh he's the greatest foreigner right now," but you have to realize you can't really say he's not, either. I, for one, don't think Stephano had an easy bracket. I mean, look at the players he beat in this tournament - MarineKing, MMA, HuK, TheStC, Violet, and Lucky. That's a pretty impressive list to me, but it is irrelevant to my point.
You are being rational, and I am not arguing that Stephano is the best foreigner or the next zerg savior or anything like that. But why continuously try to bring him down just because he didn't get to face MMA? Is that actually a good reason to knock him down, the fact that he destroyed the player who beat MMA and Ryung? I mean, why is it so important that you (not you, specifically) let everyone know you think he had an easy run and don't think he's as good as some other fans think? Stephano played amazingly throughout this entire tournament, and I am fine with people being super excited with (and perhaps exaggerating) his accomplishment here.
I am rambling a bit but I guess my point is let's just appreciate what Stephano has achieved in this tournament. He represented the foreigners well and pulled off a great win against some tough adds stacked against him. In a dominant fashion, too. Cherish it, and move on. I just find it pointless to really get heated about how well he would do in GSL or whether he's the best foreigner or not.
I think it was absolutely beautiful that he won this tournament. He played better than anyone else at this tournament. But just because he wins 1 tournament means that he's the best foreign player? Where are all the people that said that thorzain was the best foreigner after he almost beat drg at valencia? Sure stephano is one of the best, but the absolute best? No not at all.
For god's sake man. It's not just this one tournament. He's dominating all the european tournaments aswell. This is what I mean by ignorance you don't know anything about the european scene. You only saw him win IPL3, I and many other europeans however saw him dominate numerous european tournaments over the last few months.So why are you surprised that people call you ignorant, when you know next to nothing about the guy and the start to argue with people that are following stephano for months now? It's so hypocritical.
On October 10 2011 12:37 Dante08 wrote: Cmon guys you have to admit Stephano got a relatively easy bracket. Not taking anything away from his win, I watched the ZvZ finals and he completely outplayed Lucky. His game sense is crazy.
The moment you say that you are taking away from his win. He didn't have an easy bracket, people try to find ways to discredit a player if they were not their favorite to win it.
Yeah, it's really sad, imo.
No, Stephano did not beat - head-to-head - the Korean players who were considered the best coming into the tournament - that would be MMA, MC, Ryung, and Puma - but he beat all the players who beat them.
And by beating them, those players showed that they were themselves top-level players. So why take away from Stephano?
I think a lot of people feel that Stephano is getting more credit than he's due. From my perspective, this cycle of overhyping one messiah only to abandon him and move onto another is pretty unhealthy. Stephano had a great tournament and is obviously a top player, but him beating mid-tier Koreans, (yes, they are mid-tier, because they have not shown to be consistently top-tier -- this should be an easy concept) in one tournament isn't any kind of proof that he's the greatest European player, or whatever else people are saying.
While some are trying to discredit Stephano maliciously, that doesn't mean the points raised by others aren't legitimate.
Really? Is every north american contaminated with ignorance now? Do you know anything about the european scene? Stephano is winning absolutely everything and european players are miles ahead of NA players, so Stephano is obviously the best foreigner, how can you even doubt that? You should watch some EU tournament streams or his own stream and stop being so goddamn ignorant.
you call people out for discrediting his win and then do exactly the same and it's all based on typical north american ignorance, it's not just americans I've made the experience that canadians can and actually are a million times more ignorant than americans, there's just so few of them that nobody usually cares about them.
Whoah; that's a really dangerous post right there.
Why is it dangerous? it's the truth, look at all the north americans in this thread and how they are bming stephano.
stephano has shown consistent results over a couple of months now, he has dominated the EU ladder, EU tournaments and now IPL 3. Yet there still are people who claim that "hes not that good". I mean seriously? How ignorant can you be.... name one foreigner that is actually better than him.... I really want to know? Thorzain? He played this tournament and lost, Idra? he lost to the guy stephano beat..... Huk? Huk lost to stephano...so who is better, seriously?
This is what I mean by ignorance... the guy just won a major tournament with some of the very top koreans participating and all people have to do is talk a huge load of crap about him. And it's mainly north americans.... if you don't want to be called ignorant then simply -> don't be so ignorant all the time.
Not to be ignorant or anything (and im in NA...)
But He didn't play "The best koreans" he played good ones. Not the very top ones though. Also, one tourny win does'nt make you better than everyone else just because they were also in it.
Thats like saying MVP didn't win Code S this season so obv the guy who knocked him out is better, Which is just not the case.
Edit: Before I get flamed, He did play amazing and he did deserve that win. He's also a top foerigner imo. The Best? Debateable.
But my point is that it's not just this one tournament, he's dominating the EU scene for literally months now, I know you are probably not aware of this (which is in fact ignorance) and I don't blame you for that, I know very little about NA american players (but thats mainly down to the fact that most of them really aren't very good), I however blame you guys for not listening to the europeans that know the european scene much better than you do.
Why is it so hard for you to accept that stephano is the best european player at the moment? I know that because I watch most of the european tournaments and he is absolutely demolishing everyone there. So yes, the actual ignorance is that you just won't listen.
Like I said it's not just IPL3, he also dominated europe over the last few months, so I'm 100% sure that he's the best foreigner at the moment.
so...that's your good reason for making racist comments and do a massive generalization? really?
lol racist comments? because I call north americans ignorant when the guys I was arguing with even admitted that they know next to nothing about the european scene? makes sense.
On October 10 2011 12:37 Dante08 wrote: Cmon guys you have to admit Stephano got a relatively easy bracket. Not taking anything away from his win, I watched the ZvZ finals and he completely outplayed Lucky. His game sense is crazy.
The moment you say that you are taking away from his win. He didn't have an easy bracket, people try to find ways to discredit a player if they were not their favorite to win it.
Yeah, it's really sad, imo.
No, Stephano did not beat - head-to-head - the Korean players who were considered the best coming into the tournament - that would be MMA, MC, Ryung, and Puma - but he beat all the players who beat them.
And by beating them, those players showed that they were themselves top-level players. So why take away from Stephano?
I think a lot of people feel that Stephano is getting more credit than he's due. From my perspective, this cycle of overhyping one messiah only to abandon him and move onto another is pretty unhealthy. Stephano had a great tournament and is obviously a top player, but him beating mid-tier Koreans, (yes, they are mid-tier, because they have not shown to be consistently top-tier -- this should be an easy concept) in one tournament isn't any kind of proof that he's the greatest European player, or whatever else people are saying.
While some are trying to discredit Stephano maliciously, that doesn't mean the points raised by others aren't legitimate.
Really? Is every north american contaminated with ignorance now? Do you know anything about the european scene? Stephano is winning absolutely everything and european players are miles ahead of NA players, so Stephano is obviously the best foreigner, how can you even doubt that? You should watch some EU tournament streams or his own stream and stop being so goddamn ignorant.
you call people out for discrediting his win and then do exactly the same and it's all based on typical north american ignorance, it's not just americans I've made the experience that canadians can and actually are a million times more ignorant than americans, there's just so few of them that nobody usually cares about them.
The point I was making was that regardless of whether Stephano proves to be the best European player or not, his performance this tournament does not make it indisputable, and to make such an assessment requires a long-term view.
What does that have to do with whether I know anything about the European scene? Get a grip, maybe?
The real question is, why do you (and others, in all mentions of "you") feel this is the moment to tell Stephano fans their hero sucks, or at least isn't as good as they think?
Not to say you're to blame - I don't understand the over reacting emotionally instable fans either.
Of course you're right and rational, but your timing sucks.
Well personally, I only posted in this thread in defense of those getting accused of being assholes for expressing their opinion that Stephano had a relatively easy bracket, which was a statement I agreed with overall. The purpose of an LR thread is for people to discuss results, so I don't see why it's not legitimate for people to share those kinds of opinions. I mean, this isn't the Stephano appreciation thread, so people shouldn't expect everyone else to be as excited/hyped for a player as they are.
People are going to be upset when folks try to discredit or belittle someone's skill level or ability based on unsubstantial reasoning, especially after a great tournament run like Stephano's. It doesn't really make sense to say "Oh he's the greatest foreigner right now," but you have to realize you can't really say he's not, either. I, for one, don't think Stephano had an easy bracket. I mean, look at the players he beat in this tournament - MarineKing, MMA, HuK, TheStC, Violet, and Lucky. That's a pretty impressive list to me, but it is irrelevant to my point.
You are being rational, and I am not arguing that Stephano is the best foreigner or the next zerg savior or anything like that. But why continuously try to bring him down just because he didn't get to face MMA? Is that actually a good reason to knock him down, the fact that he destroyed the player who beat MMA and Ryung? I mean, why is it so important that you (not you, specifically) let everyone know you think he had an easy run and don't think he's as good as some other fans think? Stephano played amazingly throughout this entire tournament, and I am fine with people being super excited with (and perhaps exaggerating) his accomplishment here.
I am rambling a bit but I guess my point is let's just appreciate what Stephano has achieved in this tournament. He represented the foreigners well and pulled off a great win against some tough adds stacked against him. In a dominant fashion, too. Cherish it, and move on. I just find it pointless to really get heated about how well he would do in GSL or whether he's the best foreigner or not.
I think it was absolutely beautiful that he won this tournament. He played better than anyone else at this tournament. But just because he wins 1 tournament means that he's the best foreign player? Where are all the people that said that thorzain was the best foreigner after he almost beat drg at valencia? Sure stephano is one of the best, but the absolute best? No not at all.
What? I thought it was commonly accepted that ThorZaIN was at least the equal best international player both before and after DH Valencia.
Stephano is amazing because all his current results are the product of his own style of play and theory. He doesn't have proper training infrastructure and he ladders on EU. Despite all these perceived shortcomings, his theory and gameplay were immensely successful here against the best EU/NA and some of the best KR players. This guy has so much potential that it would be a complete waste if he wasn't to receive proper training in Korea.
One tournament cannot justify any "greastest ever" type titles. Stephano kicked ass and this should factor into his overall profile. Im not saying he is not, but if you make big claims, you will need big proof. Like Ladder Rank, Past Tournament Results, who he has played and beaten, how he has won, under what conditions hes won...etc. That goes for all players. If you can provide this info in support of your claim, then no one can really argue. Otherwise, its empty opinion and circumstance.
By the way, TL's writers team gonna have a lot of work cut for them. IPL really has many things to write about (epic games, how they solve the downtime, etc.). And I won't forgive you guys if you forget to write about Boxer vs. Huk BW show match!!!
EPT
