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Stop with the USA USA chant shit. Further offenses beyond page 493 will be met with bans. You've been warned.
ChaosTerran
Profile Joined August 2011
Austria844 Posts
October 10 2011 04:36 GMT
#18261
On October 10 2011 13:29 fineshed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2011 13:25 doko100 wrote:
On October 10 2011 12:51 quancer wrote:
On October 10 2011 12:45 Azarkon wrote:
On October 10 2011 12:43 Grapesludge wrote:
On October 10 2011 12:37 Dante08 wrote:
Cmon guys you have to admit Stephano got a relatively easy bracket.
Not taking anything away from his win, I watched the ZvZ finals and he completely outplayed Lucky. His game sense is crazy.


The moment you say that you are taking away from his win. He didn't have an easy bracket, people try to find ways to discredit a player if they were not their favorite to win it.


Yeah, it's really sad, imo.

No, Stephano did not beat - head-to-head - the Korean players who were considered the best coming into the tournament - that would be MMA, MC, Ryung, and Puma - but he beat all the players who beat them.

And by beating them, those players showed that they were themselves top-level players. So why take away from Stephano?


I think a lot of people feel that Stephano is getting more credit than he's due. From my perspective, this cycle of overhyping one messiah only to abandon him and move onto another is pretty unhealthy. Stephano had a great tournament and is obviously a top player, but him beating mid-tier Koreans, (yes, they are mid-tier, because they have not shown to be consistently top-tier -- this should be an easy concept) in one tournament isn't any kind of proof that he's the greatest European player, or whatever else people are saying.

While some are trying to discredit Stephano maliciously, that doesn't mean the points raised by others aren't legitimate.


Really? Is every north american contaminated with ignorance now? Do you know anything about the european scene? Stephano is winning absolutely everything and european players are miles ahead of NA players, so Stephano is obviously the best foreigner, how can you even doubt that? You should watch some EU tournament streams or his own stream and stop being so goddamn ignorant.

you call people out for discrediting his win and then do exactly the same and it's all based on typical north american ignorance, it's not just americans I've made the experience that canadians can and actually are a million times more ignorant than americans, there's just so few of them that nobody usually cares about them.


Whoah; that's a really dangerous post right there.


Why is it dangerous? it's the truth, look at all the north americans in this thread and how they are bming stephano.

stephano has shown consistent results over a couple of months now, he has dominated the EU ladder, EU tournaments and now IPL 3. Yet there still are people who claim that "hes not that good". I mean seriously? How ignorant can you be.... name one foreigner that is actually better than him.... I really want to know? Thorzain? He played this tournament and lost, Idra? he lost to the guy stephano beat..... Huk? Huk lost to stephano...so who is better, seriously?

This is what I mean by ignorance... the guy just won a major tournament with some of the very top koreans participating and all people have to do is talk a huge load of crap about him. And it's mainly north americans.... if you don't want to be called ignorant then simply -> don't be so ignorant all the time.
lololol
Profile Joined February 2006
5198 Posts
October 10 2011 04:36 GMT
#18262
On October 10 2011 13:11 Kznn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2011 13:09 lololol wrote:
On October 10 2011 13:08 Kznn wrote:
On October 10 2011 13:05 jester- wrote:
Has there ever been a LR thread on here that reached 1000 pages?

Gettin pretty darn close..


Mlg's one had.


With the all the spam when mlg was having stream problems.



If i'm not mistaken, the MLG that idra beated MC 2-0 early on had a thread with 1000 pages in the final day when MC 4-0 idra. I may be mistaken tho.

It's possible, but if I remember correctly the first MLG had a 1000 page thread that was mostly bald eagle spam
I'll call Nada.
Passion
Profile Joined December 2003
Netherlands1486 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-10 04:38:07
October 10 2011 04:37 GMT
#18263
On October 10 2011 13:33 quancer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2011 13:25 doko100 wrote:
On October 10 2011 12:51 quancer wrote:
On October 10 2011 12:45 Azarkon wrote:
On October 10 2011 12:43 Grapesludge wrote:
On October 10 2011 12:37 Dante08 wrote:
Cmon guys you have to admit Stephano got a relatively easy bracket.
Not taking anything away from his win, I watched the ZvZ finals and he completely outplayed Lucky. His game sense is crazy.


The moment you say that you are taking away from his win. He didn't have an easy bracket, people try to find ways to discredit a player if they were not their favorite to win it.


Yeah, it's really sad, imo.

No, Stephano did not beat - head-to-head - the Korean players who were considered the best coming into the tournament - that would be MMA, MC, Ryung, and Puma - but he beat all the players who beat them.

And by beating them, those players showed that they were themselves top-level players. So why take away from Stephano?


I think a lot of people feel that Stephano is getting more credit than he's due. From my perspective, this cycle of overhyping one messiah only to abandon him and move onto another is pretty unhealthy. Stephano had a great tournament and is obviously a top player, but him beating mid-tier Koreans, (yes, they are mid-tier, because they have not shown to be consistently top-tier -- this should be an easy concept) in one tournament isn't any kind of proof that he's the greatest European player, or whatever else people are saying.

While some are trying to discredit Stephano maliciously, that doesn't mean the points raised by others aren't legitimate.


Really? Is every north american contaminated with ignorance now? Do you know anything about the european scene? Stephano is winning absolutely everything and european players are miles ahead of NA players, so Stephano is obviously the best foreigner, how can you even doubt that? You should watch some EU tournament streams or his own stream and stop being so goddamn ignorant.

you call people out for discrediting his win and then do exactly the same and it's all based on typical north american ignorance, it's not just americans I've made the experience that canadians can and actually are a million times more ignorant than americans, there's just so few of them that nobody usually cares about them.


The point I was making was that regardless of whether Stephano proves to be the best European player or not, his performance this tournament does not make it indisputable, and to make such an assessment requires a long-term view.

What does that have to do with whether I know anything about the European scene? Get a grip, maybe?


The real question is, why do you (and others, in all mentions of "you") feel this is the moment to tell Stephano fans their hero sucks, or at least isn't as good as they think?

Not to say you're to blame - I don't understand the over reacting emotionally instable fans either.

Of course you're right and rational, but your timing sucks.

udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
October 10 2011 04:39 GMT
#18264
guessing after party stream is only available for people signed up for Prime?
E-Sports is competitive video gaming with a spectator fan base. Do not take the word "Sports" literally.
ChaosTerran
Profile Joined August 2011
Austria844 Posts
October 10 2011 04:39 GMT
#18265
On October 10 2011 13:33 quancer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2011 13:25 doko100 wrote:
On October 10 2011 12:51 quancer wrote:
On October 10 2011 12:45 Azarkon wrote:
On October 10 2011 12:43 Grapesludge wrote:
On October 10 2011 12:37 Dante08 wrote:
Cmon guys you have to admit Stephano got a relatively easy bracket.
Not taking anything away from his win, I watched the ZvZ finals and he completely outplayed Lucky. His game sense is crazy.


The moment you say that you are taking away from his win. He didn't have an easy bracket, people try to find ways to discredit a player if they were not their favorite to win it.


Yeah, it's really sad, imo.

No, Stephano did not beat - head-to-head - the Korean players who were considered the best coming into the tournament - that would be MMA, MC, Ryung, and Puma - but he beat all the players who beat them.

And by beating them, those players showed that they were themselves top-level players. So why take away from Stephano?


I think a lot of people feel that Stephano is getting more credit than he's due. From my perspective, this cycle of overhyping one messiah only to abandon him and move onto another is pretty unhealthy. Stephano had a great tournament and is obviously a top player, but him beating mid-tier Koreans, (yes, they are mid-tier, because they have not shown to be consistently top-tier -- this should be an easy concept) in one tournament isn't any kind of proof that he's the greatest European player, or whatever else people are saying.

While some are trying to discredit Stephano maliciously, that doesn't mean the points raised by others aren't legitimate.


Really? Is every north american contaminated with ignorance now? Do you know anything about the european scene? Stephano is winning absolutely everything and european players are miles ahead of NA players, so Stephano is obviously the best foreigner, how can you even doubt that? You should watch some EU tournament streams or his own stream and stop being so goddamn ignorant.

you call people out for discrediting his win and then do exactly the same and it's all based on typical north american ignorance, it's not just americans I've made the experience that canadians can and actually are a million times more ignorant than americans, there's just so few of them that nobody usually cares about them.


The point I was making was that regardless of whether Stephano proves to be the best European player or not, his performance this tournament does not make it indisputable, and to make such an assessment requires a long-term view. A lot of people have been accused of devaluing Stephano's achievements for not immediately anointing him the best player in Europe after his IPL win today -- the point I wanted to make was that the naysayers are not being illogical.

What does that have to do with whether I know anything about the European scene? Get a grip, maybe?


Stephano is dominating the EU scene for months now... so now what the hell are you actually talking about? He is the best european player.... no he is the best foreign player...he dominated europe and now he won IPL3... that's the problem with you ignorant north americans... you know nothing about the european players... you think stephano just came out of nowhere.... when in reality he's dominating for months now. Get a grip
CursOr
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States6335 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-10 04:42:01
October 10 2011 04:41 GMT
#18266
I can't wait to see Stephano compete in more tournaments like MLG, NASL and IPL4 of course. I'd also like to see him get into one of those Korean training houses. I have no idea how he got so good, what kind of conditions he is living under. But if it's mostly "natural skill" like he was saying- he owes it to himself to spend at least a year really buckling down at the game. He could win a few tournaments like this... especially if IPL3 here was "haven't practiced enough" version of Stephano.
CJ forever (-_-(-_-(-_-(-_-)-_-)-_-)-_-)
Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
October 10 2011 04:41 GMT
#18267
On October 10 2011 13:36 doko100 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2011 13:29 fineshed wrote:
On October 10 2011 13:25 doko100 wrote:
On October 10 2011 12:51 quancer wrote:
On October 10 2011 12:45 Azarkon wrote:
On October 10 2011 12:43 Grapesludge wrote:
On October 10 2011 12:37 Dante08 wrote:
Cmon guys you have to admit Stephano got a relatively easy bracket.
Not taking anything away from his win, I watched the ZvZ finals and he completely outplayed Lucky. His game sense is crazy.


The moment you say that you are taking away from his win. He didn't have an easy bracket, people try to find ways to discredit a player if they were not their favorite to win it.


Yeah, it's really sad, imo.

No, Stephano did not beat - head-to-head - the Korean players who were considered the best coming into the tournament - that would be MMA, MC, Ryung, and Puma - but he beat all the players who beat them.

And by beating them, those players showed that they were themselves top-level players. So why take away from Stephano?


I think a lot of people feel that Stephano is getting more credit than he's due. From my perspective, this cycle of overhyping one messiah only to abandon him and move onto another is pretty unhealthy. Stephano had a great tournament and is obviously a top player, but him beating mid-tier Koreans, (yes, they are mid-tier, because they have not shown to be consistently top-tier -- this should be an easy concept) in one tournament isn't any kind of proof that he's the greatest European player, or whatever else people are saying.

While some are trying to discredit Stephano maliciously, that doesn't mean the points raised by others aren't legitimate.


Really? Is every north american contaminated with ignorance now? Do you know anything about the european scene? Stephano is winning absolutely everything and european players are miles ahead of NA players, so Stephano is obviously the best foreigner, how can you even doubt that? You should watch some EU tournament streams or his own stream and stop being so goddamn ignorant.

you call people out for discrediting his win and then do exactly the same and it's all based on typical north american ignorance, it's not just americans I've made the experience that canadians can and actually are a million times more ignorant than americans, there's just so few of them that nobody usually cares about them.


Whoah; that's a really dangerous post right there.


Why is it dangerous? it's the truth, look at all the north americans in this thread and how they are bming stephano.

stephano has shown consistent results over a couple of months now, he has dominated the EU ladder, EU tournaments and now IPL 3. Yet there still are people who claim that "hes not that good". I mean seriously? How ignorant can you be.... name one foreigner that is actually better than him.... I really want to know? Thorzain? He played this tournament and lost, Idra? he lost to the guy stephano beat..... Huk? Huk lost to stephano...so who is better, seriously?

This is what I mean by ignorance... the guy just won a major tournament with some of the very top koreans participating and all people have to do is talk a huge load of crap about him. And it's mainly north americans.... if you don't want to be called ignorant then simply -> don't be so ignorant all the time.


No that is ignorance in your post.

X beat Y
and Y beat Z
so X will always beat Z

Barring the HuK - Stephano part you cannot blindly imply that he is better than Idra / Thorzain.

Anna: So Sen how will you prepare for your revenge v MC? Sen: With a smile.
usethis2
Profile Joined December 2010
2164 Posts
October 10 2011 04:41 GMT
#18268
Well are there VODs of today's matches? I only started watching since semis.
Wherewolf
Profile Joined December 2010
United States353 Posts
October 10 2011 04:41 GMT
#18269
AnnaProsser 2 mins 8 secs ago Twitter
Crowd's going wild @coL_CatZ sang Andrea Boccelli, and now @dignitasselect, I got it on vid! #IPL3 After party! yfrog.com/n3hijz
Hnnngg
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1101 Posts
October 10 2011 04:41 GMT
#18270
On October 10 2011 13:39 doko100 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2011 13:33 quancer wrote:
On October 10 2011 13:25 doko100 wrote:
On October 10 2011 12:51 quancer wrote:
On October 10 2011 12:45 Azarkon wrote:
On October 10 2011 12:43 Grapesludge wrote:
On October 10 2011 12:37 Dante08 wrote:
Cmon guys you have to admit Stephano got a relatively easy bracket.
Not taking anything away from his win, I watched the ZvZ finals and he completely outplayed Lucky. His game sense is crazy.


The moment you say that you are taking away from his win. He didn't have an easy bracket, people try to find ways to discredit a player if they were not their favorite to win it.


Yeah, it's really sad, imo.

No, Stephano did not beat - head-to-head - the Korean players who were considered the best coming into the tournament - that would be MMA, MC, Ryung, and Puma - but he beat all the players who beat them.

And by beating them, those players showed that they were themselves top-level players. So why take away from Stephano?


I think a lot of people feel that Stephano is getting more credit than he's due. From my perspective, this cycle of overhyping one messiah only to abandon him and move onto another is pretty unhealthy. Stephano had a great tournament and is obviously a top player, but him beating mid-tier Koreans, (yes, they are mid-tier, because they have not shown to be consistently top-tier -- this should be an easy concept) in one tournament isn't any kind of proof that he's the greatest European player, or whatever else people are saying.

While some are trying to discredit Stephano maliciously, that doesn't mean the points raised by others aren't legitimate.


Really? Is every north american contaminated with ignorance now? Do you know anything about the european scene? Stephano is winning absolutely everything and european players are miles ahead of NA players, so Stephano is obviously the best foreigner, how can you even doubt that? You should watch some EU tournament streams or his own stream and stop being so goddamn ignorant.

you call people out for discrediting his win and then do exactly the same and it's all based on typical north american ignorance, it's not just americans I've made the experience that canadians can and actually are a million times more ignorant than americans, there's just so few of them that nobody usually cares about them.


The point I was making was that regardless of whether Stephano proves to be the best European player or not, his performance this tournament does not make it indisputable, and to make such an assessment requires a long-term view. A lot of people have been accused of devaluing Stephano's achievements for not immediately anointing him the best player in Europe after his IPL win today -- the point I wanted to make was that the naysayers are not being illogical.

What does that have to do with whether I know anything about the European scene? Get a grip, maybe?


Stephano is dominating the EU scene for months now... so now what the hell are you actually talking about? He is the best european player.... no he is the best foreign player...he dominated europe and now he won IPL3... that's the problem with you ignorant north americans... you know nothing about the european players... you think stephano just came out of nowhere.... when in reality he's dominating for months now. Get a grip


I blame the GSL for this mindset.

Months? Holy cow, that's not a long amount of time!

Not for the GSL, a few months could be a 3 time Code S champion.
quancer
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada161 Posts
October 10 2011 04:42 GMT
#18271
On October 10 2011 13:37 Passion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2011 13:33 quancer wrote:
On October 10 2011 13:25 doko100 wrote:
On October 10 2011 12:51 quancer wrote:
On October 10 2011 12:45 Azarkon wrote:
On October 10 2011 12:43 Grapesludge wrote:
On October 10 2011 12:37 Dante08 wrote:
Cmon guys you have to admit Stephano got a relatively easy bracket.
Not taking anything away from his win, I watched the ZvZ finals and he completely outplayed Lucky. His game sense is crazy.


The moment you say that you are taking away from his win. He didn't have an easy bracket, people try to find ways to discredit a player if they were not their favorite to win it.


Yeah, it's really sad, imo.

No, Stephano did not beat - head-to-head - the Korean players who were considered the best coming into the tournament - that would be MMA, MC, Ryung, and Puma - but he beat all the players who beat them.

And by beating them, those players showed that they were themselves top-level players. So why take away from Stephano?


I think a lot of people feel that Stephano is getting more credit than he's due. From my perspective, this cycle of overhyping one messiah only to abandon him and move onto another is pretty unhealthy. Stephano had a great tournament and is obviously a top player, but him beating mid-tier Koreans, (yes, they are mid-tier, because they have not shown to be consistently top-tier -- this should be an easy concept) in one tournament isn't any kind of proof that he's the greatest European player, or whatever else people are saying.

While some are trying to discredit Stephano maliciously, that doesn't mean the points raised by others aren't legitimate.


Really? Is every north american contaminated with ignorance now? Do you know anything about the european scene? Stephano is winning absolutely everything and european players are miles ahead of NA players, so Stephano is obviously the best foreigner, how can you even doubt that? You should watch some EU tournament streams or his own stream and stop being so goddamn ignorant.

you call people out for discrediting his win and then do exactly the same and it's all based on typical north american ignorance, it's not just americans I've made the experience that canadians can and actually are a million times more ignorant than americans, there's just so few of them that nobody usually cares about them.


The point I was making was that regardless of whether Stephano proves to be the best European player or not, his performance this tournament does not make it indisputable, and to make such an assessment requires a long-term view.

What does that have to do with whether I know anything about the European scene? Get a grip, maybe?


The real question is, why do you (and others, in all mentions of "you") feel this is the moment to tell Stephano fans their hero sucks, or at least isn't as good as they think?

Not to say you're to blame - I don't understand the over reacting emotionally instable fans either.

Of course you're right and rational, but your timing sucks.



Well personally, I only posted in this thread in defense of those getting accused of being assholes for expressing their opinion that Stephano had a relatively easy bracket, which was a statement I agreed with overall. The purpose of an LR thread is for people to discuss results, so I don't see why it's not legitimate for people to share those kinds of opinions. I mean, this isn't the Stephano appreciation thread, so people shouldn't expect everyone else to be as excited/hyped for a player as they are.
MVP, Polt, Supernova, Losira, Leenock, Morrow
merlin101
Profile Joined July 2010
Switzerland194 Posts
October 10 2011 04:43 GMT
#18272
Wow, Stephano I have to give probs for all the people who said Stephano is going to have his showing when he wins IPL3! I had this feeling he's gonna win when he arrived into the round of 8 and I had to go to Sleep...
sandman1454
Profile Joined June 2011
United States96 Posts
October 10 2011 04:44 GMT
#18273
whats disappointing about this is that stephano is quitting in a year?!?!?! the foreign hope is leaving when we need it most.......
Haydin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1481 Posts
October 10 2011 04:44 GMT
#18274
What stephano did during all the IPL season 3 (3 months)
Stephano 2-0 Anypro
Stephano 2-1 Axslav
Stephano 2-1 MarineKing
Stephano 2-1 Socke
Stephano 2-1 Revival
Stephano 2-0 Puzzle
Stephano 2-1 KiWiKaKi
Stephano 2-1 MMA
Stephano 2-0 Huk
Stephano 2-0 Boxer
Stephano 2-1 KiWiKaKi
Stephano 2-0 Violet
Stephano 2-1 Inori
Stephano 3-1 TheStC
Stephano 4-0 Lucky

That is 11 koreans, 10 if you don't count Huk. Yes, online has lag to take into account, but he beat them at a LAN too. Stephano is fucking amazing, end of story. People who are saying "I don't mean to take anything away from his win, but <something negative>" you obviously ARE saying something that would try to diminish his win. You're being stupid. Stop it.

Can we just be happy that in the last two major international LANs professional, high level koreans went to they LOST to foreigners? This is HUGE for western SC2. Why the hell do you want to shit on that? What reason could you POSSIBLY have to do that?
aka ilovesharkpeople
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97277 Posts
October 10 2011 04:45 GMT
#18275
On October 10 2011 13:36 lololol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2011 13:11 Kznn wrote:
On October 10 2011 13:09 lololol wrote:
On October 10 2011 13:08 Kznn wrote:
On October 10 2011 13:05 jester- wrote:
Has there ever been a LR thread on here that reached 1000 pages?

Gettin pretty darn close..


Mlg's one had.


With the all the spam when mlg was having stream problems.



If i'm not mistaken, the MLG that idra beated MC 2-0 early on had a thread with 1000 pages in the final day when MC 4-0 idra. I may be mistaken tho.

It's possible, but if I remember correctly the first MLG had a 1000 page thread that was mostly bald eagle spam

The guy saying the Idra vs MC MLG is correct. At least one of the MLG Columbus 2011 threads broke 1000 pages
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soulist
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States932 Posts
October 10 2011 04:46 GMT
#18276
On October 10 2011 12:08 hugman wrote:
Stephano just took the biggest foreigner win in SC2 history and we get the Riot team on stage :|


It's not the biggest foreigner victory. Huk's dreamhack was way bigger. The compeition was better and huk beat a lot better players. The only code s player that Stephano beat was huk. He didn't beat any code a players. And there was A LOT more hype for dreamhack then ipl3 as well. Overall just much bigger. Another thing is day9 made Huk's win sound soooooo important. Go rewatch game 5 of the finals and the celebration and don't tell me you didn't have tears in your eyes. That shit was emotional as hell
Evil Geniuses<3
wats0n
Profile Joined July 2011
United States509 Posts
October 10 2011 04:47 GMT
#18277
On October 10 2011 13:39 doko100 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2011 13:33 quancer wrote:
On October 10 2011 13:25 doko100 wrote:
On October 10 2011 12:51 quancer wrote:
On October 10 2011 12:45 Azarkon wrote:
On October 10 2011 12:43 Grapesludge wrote:
On October 10 2011 12:37 Dante08 wrote:
Cmon guys you have to admit Stephano got a relatively easy bracket.
Not taking anything away from his win, I watched the ZvZ finals and he completely outplayed Lucky. His game sense is crazy.


The moment you say that you are taking away from his win. He didn't have an easy bracket, people try to find ways to discredit a player if they were not their favorite to win it.


Yeah, it's really sad, imo.

No, Stephano did not beat - head-to-head - the Korean players who were considered the best coming into the tournament - that would be MMA, MC, Ryung, and Puma - but he beat all the players who beat them.

And by beating them, those players showed that they were themselves top-level players. So why take away from Stephano?


I think a lot of people feel that Stephano is getting more credit than he's due. From my perspective, this cycle of overhyping one messiah only to abandon him and move onto another is pretty unhealthy. Stephano had a great tournament and is obviously a top player, but him beating mid-tier Koreans, (yes, they are mid-tier, because they have not shown to be consistently top-tier -- this should be an easy concept) in one tournament isn't any kind of proof that he's the greatest European player, or whatever else people are saying.

While some are trying to discredit Stephano maliciously, that doesn't mean the points raised by others aren't legitimate.


Really? Is every north american contaminated with ignorance now? Do you know anything about the european scene? Stephano is winning absolutely everything and european players are miles ahead of NA players, so Stephano is obviously the best foreigner, how can you even doubt that? You should watch some EU tournament streams or his own stream and stop being so goddamn ignorant.

you call people out for discrediting his win and then do exactly the same and it's all based on typical north american ignorance, it's not just americans I've made the experience that canadians can and actually are a million times more ignorant than americans, there's just so few of them that nobody usually cares about them.


The point I was making was that regardless of whether Stephano proves to be the best European player or not, his performance this tournament does not make it indisputable, and to make such an assessment requires a long-term view. A lot of people have been accused of devaluing Stephano's achievements for not immediately anointing him the best player in Europe after his IPL win today -- the point I wanted to make was that the naysayers are not being illogical.

What does that have to do with whether I know anything about the European scene? Get a grip, maybe?


Stephano is dominating the EU scene for months now... so now what the hell are you actually talking about? He is the best european player.... no he is the best foreign player...he dominated europe and now he won IPL3... that's the problem with you ignorant north americans... you know nothing about the european players... you think stephano just came out of nowhere.... when in reality he's dominating for months now. Get a grip


You had a point at the basis but congratulations on looking dumber than the people you are arguing against with your dumb generalizations about an entire continent.

And for the record plenty of Americans are hyping Stephano as much as his biggest French fans and plenty of EU people have criticized Stephano in this thread.

People like you who think humans are so much better or worse based on where they were born are the most disgusting people on this forum. It's quite sad actually.
ChaosTerran
Profile Joined August 2011
Austria844 Posts
October 10 2011 04:47 GMT
#18278
On October 10 2011 13:41 Denzil wrote:
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On October 10 2011 13:36 doko100 wrote:
On October 10 2011 13:29 fineshed wrote:
On October 10 2011 13:25 doko100 wrote:
On October 10 2011 12:51 quancer wrote:
On October 10 2011 12:45 Azarkon wrote:
On October 10 2011 12:43 Grapesludge wrote:
On October 10 2011 12:37 Dante08 wrote:
Cmon guys you have to admit Stephano got a relatively easy bracket.
Not taking anything away from his win, I watched the ZvZ finals and he completely outplayed Lucky. His game sense is crazy.


The moment you say that you are taking away from his win. He didn't have an easy bracket, people try to find ways to discredit a player if they were not their favorite to win it.


Yeah, it's really sad, imo.

No, Stephano did not beat - head-to-head - the Korean players who were considered the best coming into the tournament - that would be MMA, MC, Ryung, and Puma - but he beat all the players who beat them.

And by beating them, those players showed that they were themselves top-level players. So why take away from Stephano?


I think a lot of people feel that Stephano is getting more credit than he's due. From my perspective, this cycle of overhyping one messiah only to abandon him and move onto another is pretty unhealthy. Stephano had a great tournament and is obviously a top player, but him beating mid-tier Koreans, (yes, they are mid-tier, because they have not shown to be consistently top-tier -- this should be an easy concept) in one tournament isn't any kind of proof that he's the greatest European player, or whatever else people are saying.

While some are trying to discredit Stephano maliciously, that doesn't mean the points raised by others aren't legitimate.


Really? Is every north american contaminated with ignorance now? Do you know anything about the european scene? Stephano is winning absolutely everything and european players are miles ahead of NA players, so Stephano is obviously the best foreigner, how can you even doubt that? You should watch some EU tournament streams or his own stream and stop being so goddamn ignorant.

you call people out for discrediting his win and then do exactly the same and it's all based on typical north american ignorance, it's not just americans I've made the experience that canadians can and actually are a million times more ignorant than americans, there's just so few of them that nobody usually cares about them.


Whoah; that's a really dangerous post right there.


Why is it dangerous? it's the truth, look at all the north americans in this thread and how they are bming stephano.

stephano has shown consistent results over a couple of months now, he has dominated the EU ladder, EU tournaments and now IPL 3. Yet there still are people who claim that "hes not that good". I mean seriously? How ignorant can you be.... name one foreigner that is actually better than him.... I really want to know? Thorzain? He played this tournament and lost, Idra? he lost to the guy stephano beat..... Huk? Huk lost to stephano...so who is better, seriously?

This is what I mean by ignorance... the guy just won a major tournament with some of the very top koreans participating and all people have to do is talk a huge load of crap about him. And it's mainly north americans.... if you don't want to be called ignorant then simply -> don't be so ignorant all the time.


No that is ignorance in your post.

X beat Y
and Y beat Z
so X will always beat Z

Barring the HuK - Stephano part you cannot blindly imply that he is better than Idra / Thorzain.



Yes I can, because he just won a tournament where both of them participated in aswell. if that's not a reason to think that stephano is better than them, then I dont know.. Stephano just won a tournament where pretty much every other top foreigner and some very top koreans also played in.

HE WON the tournament, so to claim that he's not the best player there is quite ridiculous. If the best player doesn't win the tournament then there must be something wrong with SC2. Oh wait the best player actually won just like the best players always win GSL (Mvp, Nesta) this isn't coincidence you know?
udgnim
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States8024 Posts
October 10 2011 04:47 GMT
#18279
all I have to say are that people that try to discount Stephano's victory are idiots
E-Sports is competitive video gaming with a spectator fan base. Do not take the word "Sports" literally.
Haydin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1481 Posts
October 10 2011 04:48 GMT
#18280
On October 10 2011 13:46 soulist wrote:
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On October 10 2011 12:08 hugman wrote:
Stephano just took the biggest foreigner win in SC2 history and we get the Riot team on stage :|


It's not the biggest foreigner victory. Huk's dreamhack was way bigger. The compeition was better and huk beat a lot better players. The only code s player that Stephano beat was huk. He didn't beat any code a players. And there was A LOT more hype for dreamhack then ipl3 as well. Overall just much bigger. Another thing is day9 made Huk's win sound soooooo important. Go rewatch game 5 of the finals and the celebration and don't tell me you didn't have tears in your eyes. That shit was emotional as hell


CAN WE JUST SAY THEY WERE BOTH REALLY AWESOME AND LET THAT BE THE END OF IT?!
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