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I was trying to hold a grudge against him after the whole coL incident but I really can't. The guy is a complete baller and I'd definitely would put him top 3 outside of Korea. Really hope he'll give SC2 a more serious go still though. Seems like he has potential to be the next Nestea.
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On October 10 2011 13:36 doko100 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 13:29 fineshed wrote:On October 10 2011 13:25 doko100 wrote:On October 10 2011 12:51 quancer wrote:On October 10 2011 12:45 Azarkon wrote:On October 10 2011 12:43 Grapesludge wrote:On October 10 2011 12:37 Dante08 wrote:
Cmon guys you have to admit Stephano got a relatively easy bracket.
Not taking anything away from his win, I watched the ZvZ finals and he completely outplayed Lucky. His game sense is crazy. The moment you say that you are taking away from his win. He didn't have an easy bracket, people try to find ways to discredit a player if they were not their favorite to win it. Yeah, it's really sad, imo. No, Stephano did not beat - head-to-head - the Korean players who were considered the best coming into the tournament - that would be MMA, MC, Ryung, and Puma - but he beat all the players who beat them. And by beating them, those players showed that they were themselves top-level players. So why take away from Stephano? I think a lot of people feel that Stephano is getting more credit than he's due. From my perspective, this cycle of overhyping one messiah only to abandon him and move onto another is pretty unhealthy. Stephano had a great tournament and is obviously a top player, but him beating mid-tier Koreans, (yes, they are mid-tier, because they have not shown to be consistently top-tier -- this should be an easy concept) in one tournament isn't any kind of proof that he's the greatest European player, or whatever else people are saying. While some are trying to discredit Stephano maliciously, that doesn't mean the points raised by others aren't legitimate. Really? Is every north american contaminated with ignorance now? Do you know anything about the european scene? Stephano is winning absolutely everything and european players are miles ahead of NA players, so Stephano is obviously the best foreigner, how can you even doubt that? You should watch some EU tournament streams or his own stream and stop being so goddamn ignorant. you call people out for discrediting his win and then do exactly the same and it's all based on typical north american ignorance, it's not just americans I've made the experience that canadians can and actually are a million times more ignorant than americans, there's just so few of them that nobody usually cares about them. Whoah; that's a really dangerous post right there. Why is it dangerous? it's the truth, look at all the north americans in this thread and how they are bming stephano. stephano has shown consistent results over a couple of months now, he has dominated the EU ladder, EU tournaments and now IPL 3. Yet there still are people who claim that "hes not that good". I mean seriously? How ignorant can you be.... name one foreigner that is actually better than him.... I really want to know? Thorzain? He played this tournament and lost, Idra? he lost to the guy stephano beat..... Huk? Huk lost to stephano...so who is better, seriously? This is what I mean by ignorance... the guy just won a major tournament with some of the very top koreans participating and all people have to do is talk a huge load of crap about him. And it's mainly north americans.... if you don't want to be called ignorant then simply -> don't be so ignorant all the time.
Nony is the best foreigner don't be so stupid, just because he is an American people don't know about all of the American tournaments he's won. Don't be so ignorant you ignorant.
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replays at all? for dis tournament?
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On October 10 2011 13:49 confusedcrib wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 13:36 doko100 wrote:On October 10 2011 13:29 fineshed wrote:On October 10 2011 13:25 doko100 wrote:On October 10 2011 12:51 quancer wrote:On October 10 2011 12:45 Azarkon wrote:On October 10 2011 12:43 Grapesludge wrote:On October 10 2011 12:37 Dante08 wrote:
Cmon guys you have to admit Stephano got a relatively easy bracket.
Not taking anything away from his win, I watched the ZvZ finals and he completely outplayed Lucky. His game sense is crazy. The moment you say that you are taking away from his win. He didn't have an easy bracket, people try to find ways to discredit a player if they were not their favorite to win it. Yeah, it's really sad, imo. No, Stephano did not beat - head-to-head - the Korean players who were considered the best coming into the tournament - that would be MMA, MC, Ryung, and Puma - but he beat all the players who beat them. And by beating them, those players showed that they were themselves top-level players. So why take away from Stephano? I think a lot of people feel that Stephano is getting more credit than he's due. From my perspective, this cycle of overhyping one messiah only to abandon him and move onto another is pretty unhealthy. Stephano had a great tournament and is obviously a top player, but him beating mid-tier Koreans, (yes, they are mid-tier, because they have not shown to be consistently top-tier -- this should be an easy concept) in one tournament isn't any kind of proof that he's the greatest European player, or whatever else people are saying. While some are trying to discredit Stephano maliciously, that doesn't mean the points raised by others aren't legitimate. Really? Is every north american contaminated with ignorance now? Do you know anything about the european scene? Stephano is winning absolutely everything and european players are miles ahead of NA players, so Stephano is obviously the best foreigner, how can you even doubt that? You should watch some EU tournament streams or his own stream and stop being so goddamn ignorant. you call people out for discrediting his win and then do exactly the same and it's all based on typical north american ignorance, it's not just americans I've made the experience that canadians can and actually are a million times more ignorant than americans, there's just so few of them that nobody usually cares about them. Whoah; that's a really dangerous post right there. Why is it dangerous? it's the truth, look at all the north americans in this thread and how they are bming stephano. stephano has shown consistent results over a couple of months now, he has dominated the EU ladder, EU tournaments and now IPL 3. Yet there still are people who claim that "hes not that good". I mean seriously? How ignorant can you be.... name one foreigner that is actually better than him.... I really want to know? Thorzain? He played this tournament and lost, Idra? he lost to the guy stephano beat..... Huk? Huk lost to stephano...so who is better, seriously? This is what I mean by ignorance... the guy just won a major tournament with some of the very top koreans participating and all people have to do is talk a huge load of crap about him. And it's mainly north americans.... if you don't want to be called ignorant then simply -> don't be so ignorant all the time. Nony is the best foreigner don't be so stupid, just because he is an American people don't know about all of the American tournaments he's won. Don't be so ignorant you ignorant.
Stephano first American bonjwa.
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well, he's really a good player.Want to see him fighting in GSL code A.
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lol fucking awesome result. qq more haters
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Haha you guys are just so funny to read. Stephano is a MONSTER, end of discussion.
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On October 10 2011 13:47 doko100 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 13:41 Denzil wrote:On October 10 2011 13:36 doko100 wrote:On October 10 2011 13:29 fineshed wrote:On October 10 2011 13:25 doko100 wrote:On October 10 2011 12:51 quancer wrote:On October 10 2011 12:45 Azarkon wrote:On October 10 2011 12:43 Grapesludge wrote:On October 10 2011 12:37 Dante08 wrote:
Cmon guys you have to admit Stephano got a relatively easy bracket.
Not taking anything away from his win, I watched the ZvZ finals and he completely outplayed Lucky. His game sense is crazy. The moment you say that you are taking away from his win. He didn't have an easy bracket, people try to find ways to discredit a player if they were not their favorite to win it. Yeah, it's really sad, imo. No, Stephano did not beat - head-to-head - the Korean players who were considered the best coming into the tournament - that would be MMA, MC, Ryung, and Puma - but he beat all the players who beat them. And by beating them, those players showed that they were themselves top-level players. So why take away from Stephano? I think a lot of people feel that Stephano is getting more credit than he's due. From my perspective, this cycle of overhyping one messiah only to abandon him and move onto another is pretty unhealthy. Stephano had a great tournament and is obviously a top player, but him beating mid-tier Koreans, (yes, they are mid-tier, because they have not shown to be consistently top-tier -- this should be an easy concept) in one tournament isn't any kind of proof that he's the greatest European player, or whatever else people are saying. While some are trying to discredit Stephano maliciously, that doesn't mean the points raised by others aren't legitimate. Really? Is every north american contaminated with ignorance now? Do you know anything about the european scene? Stephano is winning absolutely everything and european players are miles ahead of NA players, so Stephano is obviously the best foreigner, how can you even doubt that? You should watch some EU tournament streams or his own stream and stop being so goddamn ignorant. you call people out for discrediting his win and then do exactly the same and it's all based on typical north american ignorance, it's not just americans I've made the experience that canadians can and actually are a million times more ignorant than americans, there's just so few of them that nobody usually cares about them. Whoah; that's a really dangerous post right there. Why is it dangerous? it's the truth, look at all the north americans in this thread and how they are bming stephano. stephano has shown consistent results over a couple of months now, he has dominated the EU ladder, EU tournaments and now IPL 3. Yet there still are people who claim that "hes not that good". I mean seriously? How ignorant can you be.... name one foreigner that is actually better than him.... I really want to know? Thorzain? He played this tournament and lost, Idra? he lost to the guy stephano beat..... Huk? Huk lost to stephano...so who is better, seriously?
This is what I mean by ignorance... the guy just won a major tournament with some of the very top koreans participating and all people have to do is talk a huge load of crap about him. And it's mainly north americans.... if you don't want to be called ignorant then simply -> don't be so ignorant all the time. No that is ignorance in your post. X beat Y and Y beat Z so X will always beat Z Barring the HuK - Stephano part you cannot blindly imply that he is better than Idra / Thorzain. Yes I can, because he just won a tournament where both of them participated in aswell. if that's not a reason to think that stephano is better than them, then I dont know.. Stephano just won a tournament where pretty much every other top foreigner and some very top koreans also played in. HE WON the tournament, so to claim that he's not the best player there is quite ridiculous. If the best player doesn't win the tournament then there must be something wrong with SC2. Oh wait the best player actually won just like the best players always win GSL (Mvp, Nesta) this isn't coincidence you know?
Logic fail...
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On October 10 2011 13:47 wats0n wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 13:39 doko100 wrote:On October 10 2011 13:33 quancer wrote:On October 10 2011 13:25 doko100 wrote:On October 10 2011 12:51 quancer wrote:On October 10 2011 12:45 Azarkon wrote:On October 10 2011 12:43 Grapesludge wrote:On October 10 2011 12:37 Dante08 wrote:
Cmon guys you have to admit Stephano got a relatively easy bracket.
Not taking anything away from his win, I watched the ZvZ finals and he completely outplayed Lucky. His game sense is crazy. The moment you say that you are taking away from his win. He didn't have an easy bracket, people try to find ways to discredit a player if they were not their favorite to win it. Yeah, it's really sad, imo. No, Stephano did not beat - head-to-head - the Korean players who were considered the best coming into the tournament - that would be MMA, MC, Ryung, and Puma - but he beat all the players who beat them. And by beating them, those players showed that they were themselves top-level players. So why take away from Stephano? I think a lot of people feel that Stephano is getting more credit than he's due. From my perspective, this cycle of overhyping one messiah only to abandon him and move onto another is pretty unhealthy. Stephano had a great tournament and is obviously a top player, but him beating mid-tier Koreans, (yes, they are mid-tier, because they have not shown to be consistently top-tier -- this should be an easy concept) in one tournament isn't any kind of proof that he's the greatest European player, or whatever else people are saying. While some are trying to discredit Stephano maliciously, that doesn't mean the points raised by others aren't legitimate. Really? Is every north american contaminated with ignorance now? Do you know anything about the european scene? Stephano is winning absolutely everything and european players are miles ahead of NA players, so Stephano is obviously the best foreigner, how can you even doubt that? You should watch some EU tournament streams or his own stream and stop being so goddamn ignorant. you call people out for discrediting his win and then do exactly the same and it's all based on typical north american ignorance, it's not just americans I've made the experience that canadians can and actually are a million times more ignorant than americans, there's just so few of them that nobody usually cares about them. The point I was making was that regardless of whether Stephano proves to be the best European player or not, his performance this tournament does not make it indisputable, and to make such an assessment requires a long-term view. A lot of people have been accused of devaluing Stephano's achievements for not immediately anointing him the best player in Europe after his IPL win today -- the point I wanted to make was that the naysayers are not being illogical. What does that have to do with whether I know anything about the European scene? Get a grip, maybe? Stephano is dominating the EU scene for months now... so now what the hell are you actually talking about? He is the best european player.... no he is the best foreign player...he dominated europe and now he won IPL3... that's the problem with you ignorant north americans... you know nothing about the european players... you think stephano just came out of nowhere.... when in reality he's dominating for months now. Get a grip You had a point at the basis but congratulations on looking dumber than the people you are arguing against with your dumb generalizations about an entire continent. And for the record plenty of Americans are hyping Stephano as much as his biggest French fans and plenty of EU people have criticized Stephano in this thread. People like you who think humans are so much better or worse based on where they were born are the most disgusting people on this forum. It's quite sad actually.
It's funny you would call me dumb just because I'm stating a fact. And it's also funny that you get so mad at being called ignorant when you actually admit to not know anything about the EU scene (or at least the guy who I was arguing with did) which is ignorance per definition lol. Are you starting to be hypocrites now aswell?
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On October 10 2011 13:41 Hnnngg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 13:39 doko100 wrote:On October 10 2011 13:33 quancer wrote:On October 10 2011 13:25 doko100 wrote:On October 10 2011 12:51 quancer wrote:On October 10 2011 12:45 Azarkon wrote:On October 10 2011 12:43 Grapesludge wrote:On October 10 2011 12:37 Dante08 wrote:
Cmon guys you have to admit Stephano got a relatively easy bracket.
Not taking anything away from his win, I watched the ZvZ finals and he completely outplayed Lucky. His game sense is crazy. The moment you say that you are taking away from his win. He didn't have an easy bracket, people try to find ways to discredit a player if they were not their favorite to win it. Yeah, it's really sad, imo. No, Stephano did not beat - head-to-head - the Korean players who were considered the best coming into the tournament - that would be MMA, MC, Ryung, and Puma - but he beat all the players who beat them. And by beating them, those players showed that they were themselves top-level players. So why take away from Stephano? I think a lot of people feel that Stephano is getting more credit than he's due. From my perspective, this cycle of overhyping one messiah only to abandon him and move onto another is pretty unhealthy. Stephano had a great tournament and is obviously a top player, but him beating mid-tier Koreans, (yes, they are mid-tier, because they have not shown to be consistently top-tier -- this should be an easy concept) in one tournament isn't any kind of proof that he's the greatest European player, or whatever else people are saying. While some are trying to discredit Stephano maliciously, that doesn't mean the points raised by others aren't legitimate. Really? Is every north american contaminated with ignorance now? Do you know anything about the european scene? Stephano is winning absolutely everything and european players are miles ahead of NA players, so Stephano is obviously the best foreigner, how can you even doubt that? You should watch some EU tournament streams or his own stream and stop being so goddamn ignorant. you call people out for discrediting his win and then do exactly the same and it's all based on typical north american ignorance, it's not just americans I've made the experience that canadians can and actually are a million times more ignorant than americans, there's just so few of them that nobody usually cares about them. The point I was making was that regardless of whether Stephano proves to be the best European player or not, his performance this tournament does not make it indisputable, and to make such an assessment requires a long-term view. A lot of people have been accused of devaluing Stephano's achievements for not immediately anointing him the best player in Europe after his IPL win today -- the point I wanted to make was that the naysayers are not being illogical. What does that have to do with whether I know anything about the European scene? Get a grip, maybe? Stephano is dominating the EU scene for months now... so now what the hell are you actually talking about? He is the best european player.... no he is the best foreign player...he dominated europe and now he won IPL3... that's the problem with you ignorant north americans... you know nothing about the european players... you think stephano just came out of nowhere.... when in reality he's dominating for months now. Get a grip I blame the GSL for this mindset. Months? Holy cow, that's not a long amount of time! Not for the GSL, a few months could be a 3 time Code S champion.
For me the reason I cannot stand when someone says that one player is best and then after they lose people stop talking about them. It first happened with dimaga at assembly where everyone was saying he's the best European. Then after ret won the European blizzcon qualifier everyone said he was the best European. And I guarantee that the same will happen to stephano. It's sad how fast people jump on the bandwagon
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Apparently now you gotta beat MVP, Nestea, MMA, and all the top tier Korean progamers in order for your tournament win to be "legit".
Seriously shut the hell up. A tournament win is a tournament win, nothing can take that away from Stephano. Grats to him and hope to see more of him in the future!
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On October 10 2011 13:36 doko100 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 13:29 fineshed wrote:On October 10 2011 13:25 doko100 wrote:On October 10 2011 12:51 quancer wrote:On October 10 2011 12:45 Azarkon wrote:On October 10 2011 12:43 Grapesludge wrote:On October 10 2011 12:37 Dante08 wrote:
Cmon guys you have to admit Stephano got a relatively easy bracket.
Not taking anything away from his win, I watched the ZvZ finals and he completely outplayed Lucky. His game sense is crazy. The moment you say that you are taking away from his win. He didn't have an easy bracket, people try to find ways to discredit a player if they were not their favorite to win it. Yeah, it's really sad, imo. No, Stephano did not beat - head-to-head - the Korean players who were considered the best coming into the tournament - that would be MMA, MC, Ryung, and Puma - but he beat all the players who beat them. And by beating them, those players showed that they were themselves top-level players. So why take away from Stephano? I think a lot of people feel that Stephano is getting more credit than he's due. From my perspective, this cycle of overhyping one messiah only to abandon him and move onto another is pretty unhealthy. Stephano had a great tournament and is obviously a top player, but him beating mid-tier Koreans, (yes, they are mid-tier, because they have not shown to be consistently top-tier -- this should be an easy concept) in one tournament isn't any kind of proof that he's the greatest European player, or whatever else people are saying. While some are trying to discredit Stephano maliciously, that doesn't mean the points raised by others aren't legitimate. Really? Is every north american contaminated with ignorance now? Do you know anything about the european scene? Stephano is winning absolutely everything and european players are miles ahead of NA players, so Stephano is obviously the best foreigner, how can you even doubt that? You should watch some EU tournament streams or his own stream and stop being so goddamn ignorant. you call people out for discrediting his win and then do exactly the same and it's all based on typical north american ignorance, it's not just americans I've made the experience that canadians can and actually are a million times more ignorant than americans, there's just so few of them that nobody usually cares about them. Whoah; that's a really dangerous post right there. Why is it dangerous? it's the truth, look at all the north americans in this thread and how they are bming stephano. stephano has shown consistent results over a couple of months now, he has dominated the EU ladder, EU tournaments and now IPL 3. Yet there still are people who claim that "hes not that good". I mean seriously? How ignorant can you be.... name one foreigner that is actually better than him.... I really want to know? Thorzain? He played this tournament and lost, Idra? he lost to the guy stephano beat..... Huk? Huk lost to stephano...so who is better, seriously? This is what I mean by ignorance... the guy just won a major tournament with some of the very top koreans participating and all people have to do is talk a huge load of crap about him. And it's mainly north americans.... if you don't want to be called ignorant then simply -> don't be so ignorant all the time.
Not to be ignorant or anything (and im in NA...)
But He didn't play "The best koreans" he played good ones. Not the very top ones though. Also, one tourny win does'nt make you better than everyone else just because they were also in it.
Thats like saying MVP didn't win Code S this season so obv the guy who knocked him out is better, Which is just not the case.
Edit: Before I get flamed, He did play amazing and he did deserve that win. He's also a top foerigner imo. The Best? Debateable.
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Stephano saved the foreigner scene today. Hes kinda like our Savior.
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Stephano, clearly the best foreigner atm!!
He came to the scene with such a blast!!!
Its really fucking cool!
Gogo Stephano, I want you to go to Korea and win GSL now.
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On October 10 2011 13:36 doko100 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 13:29 fineshed wrote:On October 10 2011 13:25 doko100 wrote:On October 10 2011 12:51 quancer wrote:On October 10 2011 12:45 Azarkon wrote:On October 10 2011 12:43 Grapesludge wrote:On October 10 2011 12:37 Dante08 wrote:
Cmon guys you have to admit Stephano got a relatively easy bracket.
Not taking anything away from his win, I watched the ZvZ finals and he completely outplayed Lucky. His game sense is crazy. The moment you say that you are taking away from his win. He didn't have an easy bracket, people try to find ways to discredit a player if they were not their favorite to win it. Yeah, it's really sad, imo. No, Stephano did not beat - head-to-head - the Korean players who were considered the best coming into the tournament - that would be MMA, MC, Ryung, and Puma - but he beat all the players who beat them. And by beating them, those players showed that they were themselves top-level players. So why take away from Stephano? I think a lot of people feel that Stephano is getting more credit than he's due. From my perspective, this cycle of overhyping one messiah only to abandon him and move onto another is pretty unhealthy. Stephano had a great tournament and is obviously a top player, but him beating mid-tier Koreans, (yes, they are mid-tier, because they have not shown to be consistently top-tier -- this should be an easy concept) in one tournament isn't any kind of proof that he's the greatest European player, or whatever else people are saying. While some are trying to discredit Stephano maliciously, that doesn't mean the points raised by others aren't legitimate. Really? Is every north american contaminated with ignorance now? Do you know anything about the european scene? Stephano is winning absolutely everything and european players are miles ahead of NA players, so Stephano is obviously the best foreigner, how can you even doubt that? You should watch some EU tournament streams or his own stream and stop being so goddamn ignorant. you call people out for discrediting his win and then do exactly the same and it's all based on typical north american ignorance, it's not just americans I've made the experience that canadians can and actually are a million times more ignorant than americans, there's just so few of them that nobody usually cares about them. Whoah; that's a really dangerous post right there. Why is it dangerous? it's the truth, look at all the north americans in this thread and how they are bming stephano. stephano has shown consistent results over a couple of months now, he has dominated the EU ladder, EU tournaments and now IPL 3. Yet there still are people who claim that "hes not that good". I mean seriously? How ignorant can you be.... name one foreigner that is actually better than him.... I really want to know? Thorzain? He played this tournament and lost, Idra? he lost to the guy stephano beat..... Huk? Huk lost to stephano...so who is better, seriously? This is what I mean by ignorance... the guy just won a major tournament with some of the very top koreans participating and all people have to do is talk a huge load of crap about him. And it's mainly north americans.... if you don't want to be called ignorant then simply -> don't be so ignorant all the time.
you have a point...but was racism really needed?
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On October 10 2011 13:52 doko100 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 13:47 wats0n wrote:On October 10 2011 13:39 doko100 wrote:On October 10 2011 13:33 quancer wrote:On October 10 2011 13:25 doko100 wrote:On October 10 2011 12:51 quancer wrote:On October 10 2011 12:45 Azarkon wrote:On October 10 2011 12:43 Grapesludge wrote:On October 10 2011 12:37 Dante08 wrote:
Cmon guys you have to admit Stephano got a relatively easy bracket.
Not taking anything away from his win, I watched the ZvZ finals and he completely outplayed Lucky. His game sense is crazy. The moment you say that you are taking away from his win. He didn't have an easy bracket, people try to find ways to discredit a player if they were not their favorite to win it. Yeah, it's really sad, imo. No, Stephano did not beat - head-to-head - the Korean players who were considered the best coming into the tournament - that would be MMA, MC, Ryung, and Puma - but he beat all the players who beat them. And by beating them, those players showed that they were themselves top-level players. So why take away from Stephano? I think a lot of people feel that Stephano is getting more credit than he's due. From my perspective, this cycle of overhyping one messiah only to abandon him and move onto another is pretty unhealthy. Stephano had a great tournament and is obviously a top player, but him beating mid-tier Koreans, (yes, they are mid-tier, because they have not shown to be consistently top-tier -- this should be an easy concept) in one tournament isn't any kind of proof that he's the greatest European player, or whatever else people are saying. While some are trying to discredit Stephano maliciously, that doesn't mean the points raised by others aren't legitimate. Really? Is every north american contaminated with ignorance now? Do you know anything about the european scene? Stephano is winning absolutely everything and european players are miles ahead of NA players, so Stephano is obviously the best foreigner, how can you even doubt that? You should watch some EU tournament streams or his own stream and stop being so goddamn ignorant. you call people out for discrediting his win and then do exactly the same and it's all based on typical north american ignorance, it's not just americans I've made the experience that canadians can and actually are a million times more ignorant than americans, there's just so few of them that nobody usually cares about them. The point I was making was that regardless of whether Stephano proves to be the best European player or not, his performance this tournament does not make it indisputable, and to make such an assessment requires a long-term view. A lot of people have been accused of devaluing Stephano's achievements for not immediately anointing him the best player in Europe after his IPL win today -- the point I wanted to make was that the naysayers are not being illogical. What does that have to do with whether I know anything about the European scene? Get a grip, maybe? Stephano is dominating the EU scene for months now... so now what the hell are you actually talking about? He is the best european player.... no he is the best foreign player...he dominated europe and now he won IPL3... that's the problem with you ignorant north americans... you know nothing about the european players... you think stephano just came out of nowhere.... when in reality he's dominating for months now. Get a grip You had a point at the basis but congratulations on looking dumber than the people you are arguing against with your dumb generalizations about an entire continent. And for the record plenty of Americans are hyping Stephano as much as his biggest French fans and plenty of EU people have criticized Stephano in this thread. People like you who think humans are so much better or worse based on where they were born are the most disgusting people on this forum. It's quite sad actually. It's funny you would call me dumb just because I'm stating a fact. And it's also funny that you get so mad at being called ignorant when you actually admit to not know anything about the EU scene (or at least the guy who I was arguing with did) which is ignorance per definition lol. Are you starting to be hypocrites now aswell?
Logic fail again.
I admitted to not knowing anything about EU? You have a tough time posting. Hopefully somebody fixes that for you.
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On October 10 2011 13:42 quancer wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 13:37 Passion wrote:On October 10 2011 13:33 quancer wrote:On October 10 2011 13:25 doko100 wrote:On October 10 2011 12:51 quancer wrote:On October 10 2011 12:45 Azarkon wrote:On October 10 2011 12:43 Grapesludge wrote:On October 10 2011 12:37 Dante08 wrote:
Cmon guys you have to admit Stephano got a relatively easy bracket.
Not taking anything away from his win, I watched the ZvZ finals and he completely outplayed Lucky. His game sense is crazy. The moment you say that you are taking away from his win. He didn't have an easy bracket, people try to find ways to discredit a player if they were not their favorite to win it. Yeah, it's really sad, imo. No, Stephano did not beat - head-to-head - the Korean players who were considered the best coming into the tournament - that would be MMA, MC, Ryung, and Puma - but he beat all the players who beat them. And by beating them, those players showed that they were themselves top-level players. So why take away from Stephano? I think a lot of people feel that Stephano is getting more credit than he's due. From my perspective, this cycle of overhyping one messiah only to abandon him and move onto another is pretty unhealthy. Stephano had a great tournament and is obviously a top player, but him beating mid-tier Koreans, (yes, they are mid-tier, because they have not shown to be consistently top-tier -- this should be an easy concept) in one tournament isn't any kind of proof that he's the greatest European player, or whatever else people are saying. While some are trying to discredit Stephano maliciously, that doesn't mean the points raised by others aren't legitimate. Really? Is every north american contaminated with ignorance now? Do you know anything about the european scene? Stephano is winning absolutely everything and european players are miles ahead of NA players, so Stephano is obviously the best foreigner, how can you even doubt that? You should watch some EU tournament streams or his own stream and stop being so goddamn ignorant. you call people out for discrediting his win and then do exactly the same and it's all based on typical north american ignorance, it's not just americans I've made the experience that canadians can and actually are a million times more ignorant than americans, there's just so few of them that nobody usually cares about them. The point I was making was that regardless of whether Stephano proves to be the best European player or not, his performance this tournament does not make it indisputable, and to make such an assessment requires a long-term view. What does that have to do with whether I know anything about the European scene? Get a grip, maybe? The real question is, why do you (and others, in all mentions of "you") feel this is the moment to tell Stephano fans their hero sucks, or at least isn't as good as they think? Not to say you're to blame - I don't understand the over reacting emotionally instable fans either. Of course you're right and rational, but your timing sucks. Well personally, I only posted in this thread in defense of those getting accused of being assholes for expressing their opinion that Stephano had a relatively easy bracket, which was a statement I agreed with overall. The purpose of an LR thread is for people to discuss results, so I don't see why it's not legitimate for people to share those kinds of opinions. I mean, this isn't the Stephano appreciation thread, so people shouldn't expect everyone else to be as excited/hyped for a player as they are.
People are going to be upset when folks try to discredit or belittle someone's skill level or ability based on unsubstantial reasoning, especially after a great tournament run like Stephano's. It doesn't really make sense to say "Oh he's the greatest foreigner right now," but you have to realize you can't really say he's not, either. I, for one, don't think Stephano had an easy bracket. I mean, look at the players he beat in this tournament - MarineKing, MMA, HuK, TheStC, Violet, and Lucky. That's a pretty impressive list to me, but it is irrelevant to my point.
You are being rational, and I am not arguing that Stephano is the best foreigner or the next zerg savior or anything like that. But why continuously try to bring him down just because he didn't get to face MMA? Is that actually a good reason to knock him down, the fact that he destroyed the player who beat MMA and Ryung? I mean, why is it so important that you (not you, specifically) let everyone know you think he had an easy run and don't think he's as good as some other fans think? Stephano played amazingly throughout this entire tournament, and I am fine with people being super excited with (and perhaps exaggerating) his accomplishment here.
I am rambling a bit but I guess my point is let's just appreciate what Stephano has achieved in this tournament. He represented the foreigners well and pulled off a great win against some tough adds stacked against him. In a dominant fashion, too. Cherish it, and move on. I just find it pointless to really get heated about how well he would do in GSL or whether he's the best foreigner or not.
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Was it Stephano who knocked Boxer out in RO32? I thought Boxer was in a pretty good shape in day 1.
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On October 10 2011 13:46 soulist wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2011 12:08 hugman wrote:
Stephano just took the biggest foreigner win in SC2 history and we get the Riot team on stage :| It's not the biggest foreigner victory. Huk's dreamhack was way bigger. The compeition was better and huk beat a lot better players. The only code s player that Stephano beat was huk. He didn't beat any code a players. And there was A LOT more hype for dreamhack then ipl3 as well. Overall just much bigger. Another thing is day9 made Huk's win sound soooooo important. Go rewatch game 5 of the finals and the celebration and don't tell me you didn't have tears in your eyes. That shit was emotional as hell
Lucky was just top 8 code A, what on earth are you talking about?
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