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Stop with the USA USA chant shit. Further offenses beyond page 493 will be met with bans. You've been warned.
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
October 10 2011 05:14 GMT
#18341
On October 10 2011 13:36 doko100 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2011 13:29 fineshed wrote:
On October 10 2011 13:25 doko100 wrote:
On October 10 2011 12:51 quancer wrote:
On October 10 2011 12:45 Azarkon wrote:
On October 10 2011 12:43 Grapesludge wrote:
On October 10 2011 12:37 Dante08 wrote:
Cmon guys you have to admit Stephano got a relatively easy bracket.
Not taking anything away from his win, I watched the ZvZ finals and he completely outplayed Lucky. His game sense is crazy.


The moment you say that you are taking away from his win. He didn't have an easy bracket, people try to find ways to discredit a player if they were not their favorite to win it.


Yeah, it's really sad, imo.

No, Stephano did not beat - head-to-head - the Korean players who were considered the best coming into the tournament - that would be MMA, MC, Ryung, and Puma - but he beat all the players who beat them.

And by beating them, those players showed that they were themselves top-level players. So why take away from Stephano?


I think a lot of people feel that Stephano is getting more credit than he's due. From my perspective, this cycle of overhyping one messiah only to abandon him and move onto another is pretty unhealthy. Stephano had a great tournament and is obviously a top player, but him beating mid-tier Koreans, (yes, they are mid-tier, because they have not shown to be consistently top-tier -- this should be an easy concept) in one tournament isn't any kind of proof that he's the greatest European player, or whatever else people are saying.

While some are trying to discredit Stephano maliciously, that doesn't mean the points raised by others aren't legitimate.


Really? Is every north american contaminated with ignorance now? Do you know anything about the european scene? Stephano is winning absolutely everything and european players are miles ahead of NA players, so Stephano is obviously the best foreigner, how can you even doubt that? You should watch some EU tournament streams or his own stream and stop being so goddamn ignorant.

you call people out for discrediting his win and then do exactly the same and it's all based on typical north american ignorance, it's not just americans I've made the experience that canadians can and actually are a million times more ignorant than americans, there's just so few of them that nobody usually cares about them.


Whoah; that's a really dangerous post right there.


Why is it dangerous? it's the truth, look at all the north americans in this thread and how they are bming stephano.

stephano has shown consistent results over a couple of months now, he has dominated the EU ladder, EU tournaments and now IPL 3. Yet there still are people who claim that "hes not that good". I mean seriously? How ignorant can you be.... name one foreigner that is actually better than him.... I really want to know? Thorzain? He played this tournament and lost, Idra? he lost to the guy stephano beat..... Huk? Huk lost to stephano...so who is better, seriously?

This is what I mean by ignorance... the guy just won a major tournament with some of the very top koreans participating and all people have to do is talk a huge load of crap about him. And it's mainly north americans.... if you don't want to be called ignorant then simply -> don't be so ignorant all the time.


Honestly you are overhyping quite a bit. It was his first major tournament and he won which is quite an accomplishment but it doesnt automatically make him the best foreigner. Yes he beat several other contenders at that tournament but consistancy determains who is the best in the world, The reason Nestea and MVP are the best in the world is because they hold multiple titles. When Polt won the GSL no one was saying he was suddenly the best terran in Korea by a mile because they knew the value of consistancy. Stephano played some terrific games and made some amazing moves but also made a few mistakes which could cost him in future tournaments so its a bit to early to proclaim him the next god of zerg.
Cri du Chat
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany606 Posts
October 10 2011 05:15 GMT
#18342
Wow Stephano!!! Makes me so happy that he won and so sad that i missed the semis and finals because of sleep. Damn .
Would'nt have thought that he could beat TheSTC, but that he beat lucky was expected i guess.
France ftw!
LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
October 10 2011 05:16 GMT
#18343
Well done Stephano. Shouldn't had doubted in you man, somewhere deep within I knew you had it.
☆Grubby ☆| Tod|DeMusliM|ThorZaiN|SaSe|Moon|Mana| ☆HerO ☆
drcatellino
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada346 Posts
October 10 2011 05:16 GMT
#18344
Why are you guys arguing over something like "how big of a deal is the importance of this guy's win". Just STFU, enjoy the quality of the event we had and go to bed.
quote unquote
quancer
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada161 Posts
October 10 2011 05:18 GMT
#18345
On October 10 2011 14:16 drcatellino wrote:
Why are you guys arguing over something like "how big of a deal is the importance of this guy's win". Just STFU, enjoy the quality of the event we had and go to bed.


Because at least half the enjoyment of sports for most people comes from discussing events and players with other fans?
MVP, Polt, Supernova, Losira, Leenock, Morrow
MarCoon
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Germany493 Posts
October 10 2011 05:18 GMT
#18346
Gratz Stephano! You played really well and deserve this
~follow me on twitter.com/GGmarCoon
mskaa
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark155 Posts
October 10 2011 05:20 GMT
#18347
Awesome Stephano :D
This guy.. He looks pretty damn solid all around..
Great to see a non korean win a major tournament for a change
Warrice
Profile Joined July 2010
United States565 Posts
October 10 2011 05:20 GMT
#18348
Damn stephano, really hope you continue to do well, great player. with a good sense of humor as well!
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
October 10 2011 05:21 GMT
#18349
No matter what people say, the fact that Stephano beat TheStc shows he's the real deal. A foreigner beating any top Korean terran these days is a great achievement.
zeOllie
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Australia486 Posts
October 10 2011 05:21 GMT
#18350
I was at school and just checked the scores and GOGOGOGOGO STEPHANO :D:D:D:D=D=D=D
When you arise in the morning, think of what a precious privilege it is to be alive - to breathe, to think, to enjoy, to love.
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10067 Posts
October 10 2011 05:23 GMT
#18351
gratz stephano
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
ImmortalTofu
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1254 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-10 05:26:10
October 10 2011 05:24 GMT
#18352
Hm, to me, the biggest surprise is that the semis were (besides MMA) who they were... Definitely would say (before this event) that they were weaker players than many who attended. Lucky, especially, came from nowhere, his play that I saw vs Boxer, and many other players was VERY underwhelming, however, I didn't see any of today, so I could be wrong on that count entirely. Inori, also, got to his position purely based on his PvP, which was very disappointing. GREAT EVENT IPL, everything was top notch, nothing you can do about some rampaging trucks right?
"Friendship ain't a business deal"
MajuGarzett
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
October 10 2011 05:26 GMT
#18353
Are there vods for the player panels?
elKaDor
Profile Joined April 2009
Sweden376 Posts
October 10 2011 05:27 GMT
#18354
aint there any restream or vods?
Maffe
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden133 Posts
October 10 2011 05:28 GMT
#18355
Holy crap. I just woke up and found out about that Stephano 4-0'd Lucky.
Very impressive. Good job Stephano.
im this and what is 12
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5713 Posts
October 10 2011 05:29 GMT
#18356
On October 10 2011 14:18 quancer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2011 14:16 drcatellino wrote:
Why are you guys arguing over something like "how big of a deal is the importance of this guy's win". Just STFU, enjoy the quality of the event we had and go to bed.


Because at least half the enjoyment of sports for most people comes from discussing events and players with other fans?


It's not a dicussion when neither side will ever compromise what they believe in. It's actually alot like politics, kinda pointless for Republicans and Democrats to attempt to convert each other.
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
michielbrands
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands1146 Posts
October 10 2011 05:30 GMT
#18357
Very well done Stephano Could only see his 1/4 finals against Inori but damn what a beast he was this IPL.Good to see a "Foreigner" winning a tournament where were multiple top Koreans aswell. Hopes this opens the eyes of other Europeans/Americans and practise even harder as they now know it is possible to come to the same level as the Koreans (In Stephano's case even without "Korean" training)
- me (L) competitive gaming -
rekoJ
Profile Joined June 2011
Afghanistan106 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-10 05:35:36
October 10 2011 05:32 GMT
#18358
On October 10 2011 14:14 Adreme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2011 13:36 doko100 wrote:
On October 10 2011 13:29 fineshed wrote:
On October 10 2011 13:25 doko100 wrote:
On October 10 2011 12:51 quancer wrote:
On October 10 2011 12:45 Azarkon wrote:
On October 10 2011 12:43 Grapesludge wrote:
On October 10 2011 12:37 Dante08 wrote:
Cmon guys you have to admit Stephano got a relatively easy bracket.
Not taking anything away from his win, I watched the ZvZ finals and he completely outplayed Lucky. His game sense is crazy.


The moment you say that you are taking away from his win. He didn't have an easy bracket, people try to find ways to discredit a player if they were not their favorite to win it.


Yeah, it's really sad, imo.

No, Stephano did not beat - head-to-head - the Korean players who were considered the best coming into the tournament - that would be MMA, MC, Ryung, and Puma - but he beat all the players who beat them.

And by beating them, those players showed that they were themselves top-level players. So why take away from Stephano?


I think a lot of people feel that Stephano is getting more credit than he's due. From my perspective, this cycle of overhyping one messiah only to abandon him and move onto another is pretty unhealthy. Stephano had a great tournament and is obviously a top player, but him beating mid-tier Koreans, (yes, they are mid-tier, because they have not shown to be consistently top-tier -- this should be an easy concept) in one tournament isn't any kind of proof that he's the greatest European player, or whatever else people are saying.

While some are trying to discredit Stephano maliciously, that doesn't mean the points raised by others aren't legitimate.


Really? Is every north american contaminated with ignorance now? Do you know anything about the european scene? Stephano is winning absolutely everything and european players are miles ahead of NA players, so Stephano is obviously the best foreigner, how can you even doubt that? You should watch some EU tournament streams or his own stream and stop being so goddamn ignorant.

you call people out for discrediting his win and then do exactly the same and it's all based on typical north american ignorance, it's not just americans I've made the experience that canadians can and actually are a million times more ignorant than americans, there's just so few of them that nobody usually cares about them.


Whoah; that's a really dangerous post right there.


Why is it dangerous? it's the truth, look at all the north americans in this thread and how they are bming stephano.

stephano has shown consistent results over a couple of months now, he has dominated the EU ladder, EU tournaments and now IPL 3. Yet there still are people who claim that "hes not that good". I mean seriously? How ignorant can you be.... name one foreigner that is actually better than him.... I really want to know? Thorzain? He played this tournament and lost, Idra? he lost to the guy stephano beat..... Huk? Huk lost to stephano...so who is better, seriously?

This is what I mean by ignorance... the guy just won a major tournament with some of the very top koreans participating and all people have to do is talk a huge load of crap about him. And it's mainly north americans.... if you don't want to be called ignorant then simply -> don't be so ignorant all the time.


Honestly you are overhyping quite a bit. It was his first major tournament and he won which is quite an accomplishment but it doesnt automatically make him the best foreigner. Yes he beat several other contenders at that tournament but consistancy determains who is the best in the world, The reason Nestea and MVP are the best in the world is because they hold multiple titles. When Polt won the GSL no one was saying he was suddenly the best terran in Korea by a mile because they knew the value of consistancy. Stephano played some terrific games and made some amazing moves but also made a few mistakes which could cost him in future tournaments so its a bit to early to proclaim him the next god of zerg.


_________________________________________________________________________________

On October 10 2011 12:09 Lasbike wrote:
What Stephano did during all the IPL season 3 (3 months)

Stephano 2-0 Anypro
Stephano 2-1 Axslav
Stephano 2-1 MarineKing (Code S)
Stephano 2-1 Socke
Stephano 2-1 Revival
Stephano 2-0 Puzzle (Code S)
Stephano 2-1 KiWiKaKi
Stephano 2-1 MMA (Code S)
Stephano 2-0 Huk
Stephano 2-0 Boxer

Stephano 2-1 KiWiKaKi
Stephano 2-0 Violet (Code A)
Stephano 2-1 Inori
Stephano 3-1 TheStC
Stephano 4-0 Lucky (Code A)

_________________________________________________________________________________

I've just wake up to see this. Aamazing stephano!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He is for me, now, one of the and maybe in a couple of month THE BEST foreigners, who can ge through Korean. French guys got finally their new Elky/Tod

GRATZ STEPHANO THE PINK POWER RANGER.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Arachne
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
South Africa426 Posts
October 10 2011 05:34 GMT
#18359
On October 10 2011 14:04 drcatellino wrote:
Fun that Kiwikaki came really close to eliminate the winner of the tournament. And the game he took off him was the best of the whole weekend.



I'm actually quite sad to say this, but that epicly long game Stephano had in the bag a few times. The roach harasses that he was pulling off was no where near as effective as it shoulda been, and its not even like he was focusing the wrong buildings, he just wasnt attacking with them. He had an opportunity just before the end to kill kiwikaki's ONLY mining base, and didnt...

Kiwikaki did well to win it tho, he was pulling lots of tricks out the bag to stay in.

If I were a rich man, I wouldn't be here
Slangen
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden1166 Posts
October 10 2011 05:35 GMT
#18360
This one sided final i dont mind Grats Stephano!
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