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Standard LR thread rules apply. No caster bashing, no insulting the interviewers, no player bashing, no balance whining. Bans will be doled out to violators so don't shit up this thread with immature garbage.
Pajegetc
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3158 Posts
October 08 2011 20:38 GMT
#7101
On October 09 2011 05:36 darkest44 wrote:
Getting a 2nd warp prism and speed on one base vs a guy turtling 2 base with blink stalkers has to be the worst decision making I've seen all tournament.


I completely agree with this. The Better player won that series. I'm definitely interested in seeing how far he goes in other tournaments. ( I still want him to lose vs HuK ) XD
Lose Early game - Cheese. Lose Mid Game - All Ined. Lose Late Game - OMG IMBALANCE. My Guide to Zerg LR.
Elasticity
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
3420 Posts
October 08 2011 20:38 GMT
#7102
people on reddit hate this ad. I don't understand O.o
TheSubtleArt
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada2527 Posts
October 08 2011 20:39 GMT
#7103
On October 09 2011 05:36 darkest44 wrote:
Getting a 2nd warp prism and speed on one base vs a guy turtling 2 base with blink stalkers has to be the worst decision making I've seen all tournament.

Yea it seemed like a poor choice even disregarding the fact that his opponent had blink stalkers lol.
Dodge arrows
Sanchonator
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia490 Posts
October 08 2011 20:39 GMT
#7104
On October 09 2011 05:35 hasuterrans wrote:
I didn't like MC's strategy that game. The warp prism play looks extremely risky to me.


its only risky against blink - which he saw after the first failed warp prism attempt

without blink its pretty hard to kill a speedprism



but yea... mc messed that up
minhbq299
Profile Joined May 2011
United Kingdom566 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-08 20:39:59
October 08 2011 20:39 GMT
#7105
On October 09 2011 05:36 SpiZe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2011 05:35 minhbq299 wrote:
FUCK IT, MC won the group getting high seed, and match against a Protoss, PvP, fucking luck based match -up.


Tell me that last match was lucked based, MC just played so bad last game, everything that could went wrong went


It is just build order If you tell me. PvP require less skill that mind game usually is the case, and the player can get away with better risk can usually win the game. A underdog will always has higher chance of winning PvP because they can take high risk. I think MC is weak in mentality and nerves despite him showing strong talk, which is crucial in PvP.
SlayerS_Puzzle, oGsMC, Liquid'Hero, FXOz, ST.Parting, , NSHoseoJjakji, SlayerS_CoCa, DRG
homer001
Profile Joined October 2010
493 Posts
October 08 2011 20:39 GMT
#7106
On October 09 2011 05:38 -_- wrote:
If kiwi loses, I'm going to kill myself.


i hope ur a man of ur word
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
October 08 2011 20:39 GMT
#7107
On October 09 2011 05:36 Ownos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2011 05:20 Demonace34 wrote:
On October 09 2011 04:44 Demonace34 wrote:
On October 09 2011 04:43 Logros wrote:
On October 09 2011 04:42 Kamikazess wrote:
I really don't get this muta play against a protoss with a lot of phoenix already in play, and stalkers.

They destroy phoenix once the numbers are high enough due to mutas hitting multiple targets.

If I remember correctly, that isn't correct. Even with the bounce, equal number of phoenix counter mutalisks.

Going to go try it out in the editor, brb.


Just wanted to make sure I actually did follow up with my results.

All with a-moving both forces in a unit tester.

Small scale battles
10 phoenix vs 15 mutalisk
6 phoenix left.
10 phoenix vs 20 mutalisk
11-12 mutalisk left.

Average Scale Battles
20 phoenix vs 20 mutalisk
15-16 phoenix left.
20 phoenix vs 25 mutalisk
13 phoenix left.
20 phoenix vs 30 mutalisk
5 phoenix left.

Large Scale Battles
50 phoenix vs 60 mutalisk
23 phoenix left.
50 phoenix vs 75 mutalisk
18 mutas left.
50 phoenix vs 70 mutalisk
9 out of 10 times phoenix win with 7-12 phoenix left. One time Mutalisk came out on top with 6 left.

From what I've gathered from around 50 unit tests that if the gas used is equal the phoenix will always win. The closer that mutalisk get to the same mineral consumption the better chance they have to win engagements. With good to above average micro or a good spread of phoenix the more likely they will beat out bigger amounts of mutalisk.


I thought counters were supposed to be cheaper than the units they're supposed to counter. Equal gas of phoenix means you spent more in resources to counter it. :\

Anyway, so sad for MC. Guy can't even catch a break outside of Korea. T~T

I'm fairly sure his tests don't include micro....
:)
Thugtronik
Profile Joined October 2010
New Zealand452 Posts
October 08 2011 20:39 GMT
#7108
hey guys i just tuned in. can anyone tell me how long the wait time is between games? i see that theyre already ~40mins behind schedule so is there relatively ;ittle downtime between games at this stage?
DIG DIG COME ON LET ME DIG I CAN DETECT
Jgurowsk
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-08 20:42:08
October 08 2011 20:39 GMT
#7109
If only MC didn't lose his second warp prism with 2 immortals, that really hurt himself. Not sure why he over extended with that drop for a couple of pylons when he knew that his opponent had blink.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
October 08 2011 20:39 GMT
#7110
On October 09 2011 05:36 Courstice wrote:
Thats PvP for you. Players of lesser skill can beat better players. I don't know much of Inori but I think MC would have had a better chance against all the Ts and Zs than inori.


That's just silly. The only reason PvP had the reputation it had is because everyone's been playing it like MC played this series.

Now that that playstyle is shut down by a pretty standard (by normal standards) play, people are still saying "its PvP / coinflip / better player can lose" which is ridiculous.
Moralez
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal1857 Posts
October 08 2011 20:39 GMT
#7111
Mc loses :
TvP -> Terran and 1-1-1 OP
ZvP -> Protoss underpowered shit race bla bla bla
PvP -> Fucking shit luck matchup shit bo win bla bla bla


Oh TL LR threads <3333
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chocopaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
2072 Posts
October 08 2011 20:39 GMT
#7112
IDRA! IDRA! IDRA! IDRA!
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hewley
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1063 Posts
October 08 2011 20:39 GMT
#7113
On October 09 2011 05:37 flodeskum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2011 05:35 hewley wrote:
On October 09 2011 05:34 insolentrus wrote:
pvp is shit
just about BO, nothing about skill


Haha whine in a mirror matchup, I guess the sad zealot hates himself too.

PvP is terrible and probably always will be. It just sucks so much that the only realistic protoss hope in this tournament got knocked out in a pvp.


Well, I saw the guy who expanded first win in all three games. It doesn't feel as random as before patch 1.4.
Esports bubble pop, bubble pop
bikefrog
Profile Joined September 2011
Norway451 Posts
October 08 2011 20:39 GMT
#7114
Two of the biggest protoss hopes gonna get killed in mirrors in the first two rounds. Really lame.
Foreigners fighting! Ovethrow our Korean overlords!
monie
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden258 Posts
October 08 2011 20:39 GMT
#7115
Hahah, now that oGs.MC isn't sponsored by SK-gaming this event sk-gaming.com doesn't even report from IPL, quality site that one, really embracing esports.
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
October 08 2011 20:40 GMT
#7116
On October 09 2011 05:37 flodeskum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2011 05:35 hewley wrote:
On October 09 2011 05:34 insolentrus wrote:
pvp is shit
just about BO, nothing about skill


Haha whine in a mirror matchup, I guess the sad zealot hates himself too.

PvP is terrible and probably always will be. It just sucks so much that the only realistic protoss hope in this tournament got knocked out in a pvp.

How is it terrible? Inori just showed that foolish rushing strats aren't that good anymore in PvP which is what made the matchup stupid. Now players can finally move into the midgame with relative safety, and actually try and develop new strategies and tactics. MC can't blame anyone but himself for being stuck in his old mindset of ATTACKATTACKATTTACCKKAKCASKSAK!
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
zul
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany5427 Posts
October 08 2011 20:40 GMT
#7117
I feel sad for MC too, but he has to win those games to cash in his next winner cheque.
keep it deep! @zulison
Horseballs
Profile Joined July 2011
United States721 Posts
October 08 2011 20:40 GMT
#7118
I for one am glad MC lost. I've never been a fan. He was flat-out outplayed
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
October 08 2011 20:40 GMT
#7119
On October 09 2011 05:38 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2011 05:36 Ownos wrote:
On October 09 2011 05:20 Demonace34 wrote:
On October 09 2011 04:44 Demonace34 wrote:
On October 09 2011 04:43 Logros wrote:
On October 09 2011 04:42 Kamikazess wrote:
I really don't get this muta play against a protoss with a lot of phoenix already in play, and stalkers.

They destroy phoenix once the numbers are high enough due to mutas hitting multiple targets.

If I remember correctly, that isn't correct. Even with the bounce, equal number of phoenix counter mutalisks.

Going to go try it out in the editor, brb.


Just wanted to make sure I actually did follow up with my results.

All with a-moving both forces in a unit tester.

Small scale battles
10 phoenix vs 15 mutalisk
6 phoenix left.
10 phoenix vs 20 mutalisk
11-12 mutalisk left.

Average Scale Battles
20 phoenix vs 20 mutalisk
15-16 phoenix left.
20 phoenix vs 25 mutalisk
13 phoenix left.
20 phoenix vs 30 mutalisk
5 phoenix left.

Large Scale Battles
50 phoenix vs 60 mutalisk
23 phoenix left.
50 phoenix vs 75 mutalisk
18 mutas left.
50 phoenix vs 70 mutalisk
9 out of 10 times phoenix win with 7-12 phoenix left. One time Mutalisk came out on top with 6 left.

From what I've gathered from around 50 unit tests that if the gas used is equal the phoenix will always win. The closer that mutalisk get to the same mineral consumption the better chance they have to win engagements. With good to above average micro or a good spread of phoenix the more likely they will beat out bigger amounts of mutalisk.


I thought counters were supposed to be cheaper than the units they're supposed to counter. Equal gas of phoenix means you spent more in resources to counter it. :\

Anyway, so sad for MC. Guy can't even catch a break outside of Korea. T~T




Phoenix's are great vs mutas... but there is no way in hell to match them 1:1.


You need 4-5 stargates to do that, and you then immidiatly die to any kind of roach or hydra or infestor switch

You don't need equal amounts to match them. With good enough micro and reaction time you can literally not get hit by mutas with phoenixes.
Domination
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1177 Posts
October 08 2011 20:40 GMT
#7120
Oh dear god.
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