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On October 09 2011 04:03 FairForever wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 04:02 darklight54321 wrote:On October 09 2011 04:00 FairForever wrote:On October 09 2011 04:00 ChuCky.Ca wrote:On October 09 2011 03:59 Vertical wrote:On October 09 2011 03:58 MisterFred wrote:
Painuser's an idiot. Hero put up the nexus because he didn't have the production to use that money. Note he had about 400-500 in the bank at the end. he could build a gateway Which would be useless wouldnt have gotten close to getting up So then the nexus was even a dumber idea since it takes longer to get up, and then to saturate with probes, right? He couldn't afford to use those extra gateways though, especially only on one gas. I love how the argument fails are happening A: He had money in the bank, should've built a gateway instead of a nexus to get more units. B: But it takes long to get up. C: But a nexus takes longer. D: But he couldn't use the extra gateways. UHH YES HE COULD, read part A...
Having banked money to make a nexus/gateway =/= continuing to have banked money afterwards. If he had made those gateways with banked minerals, he couldn't have used those gateways since banked minerals would be gone.
I love how the argument fails are happening.
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On October 09 2011 04:04 Radook wrote:
Hero deserved to get 1/1/1 on him after trying to proxy voidrays then DTs , so happy that PuMa won and TL fans blindly this PuMa was the one with cheese :D
Gogo PuMa and gogo the 1/1/1!
You just don't understand the game. But go on live in that bubble world of yours.
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On October 09 2011 04:03 Yenticha wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 04:01 beamingrobot wrote:On October 09 2011 03:59 JoeSchmoe wrote:On October 09 2011 03:58 Apollo_Shards wrote:On October 09 2011 03:57 Jtom wrote:
Hero had an excess of 400 minerals after he put down the nexus and he had no warpgate cycles available. It didn't matter that he spent the money on that nexus. I completely agree. He couldn't get out gateways in time. that's not a excuse for putting down a nexus. that's him not macroing well on 4gates 1 base Are you serious? Did you not see the constant chrono on the gates? Whatever. It all comes down to bad macro. He could have had an extra gateway... Not saying Hero is bad, the game was awesome and Puma played brilliantly. Just saying that the extra nexus sounded like "obvious" macro mistake...
So protoss makes a few small mistakes auto game over. Terran makes a bunch of mistakes no problem. How could I never have thought of this. DAVID KIM HIRE THIS MAN.
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On October 09 2011 04:03 Skullflower wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 04:02 RJGooner wrote:
I can only laugh at the people raging at Puma. Seriously, Hero goes for a proxy stargate and Puma wins the game with great army control and decision making and people give shit for it. He opened proxy stargate because it was painfully obvious that Puma would 1-1-1.
that isnt even viable unless the terran is greedy or dumb. a lot of good terrans will go viking first if they scout double gas and see nothing, and basic viking kiting ruins the void ray bust and puts toss even more behind than they usually are against 1-1-1
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On October 09 2011 04:03 SMD wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 04:02 RJGooner wrote:
I can only laugh at the people raging at Puma. Seriously, Hero goes for a proxy stargate and Puma wins the game with great army control and decision making and people give shit for it. Making marines and losing all scvs is a very good terran strategy.
Making proxy stargate against bunker + viking, and dt vs ravens is a very good protoss strategy.
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On October 09 2011 04:01 FairForever wrote:
Also I don't see anyone complaining about Hero going proxy Stargate then proxy DTs in order to try and kill Puma...
because proxy SG is legitimate against expected 1/1/1 + he only put the dark shrine down because he wasnt expecting a raven/ saw a chance of sniping it with the phoenix and actually have a chance to hold the push,
you realize hero was basically dead if he didnt have the dt to temporary make puma retreat by killing the two tanks and the raven although he was 20 supply ahead? ( oh yeah he killed all of pumas scv's too)
on another note fuck blizzard
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Can you guys stop hating on Puma and Terrans? It's like no one reads the damn text at the top.
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On October 09 2011 03:58 andaylin wrote:
as a terran player i absolutely hate puma.
yeah
I am a protoss player and I play at diamond level. A few weeks ago, I struggled with my pvt like a lot others. But now, I play my pvt 70% of time with nexus first and win a lot of my pvt.
1/1/1 in fact hurts a lot of terran players, they win a lot with that strategy and I find out a lot of plat and diamond terrans are terrible with macro games. They win a lot with one base play in tvp and at the end of the day they play tvp macro games like a nwebie.
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On October 09 2011 04:03 Yenticha wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 04:01 beamingrobot wrote:On October 09 2011 03:59 JoeSchmoe wrote:On October 09 2011 03:58 Apollo_Shards wrote:On October 09 2011 03:57 Jtom wrote:
Hero had an excess of 400 minerals after he put down the nexus and he had no warpgate cycles available. It didn't matter that he spent the money on that nexus. I completely agree. He couldn't get out gateways in time. that's not a excuse for putting down a nexus. that's him not macroing well on 4gates 1 base Are you serious? Did you not see the constant chrono on the gates? Whatever. It all comes down to bad macro. He could have had an extra gateway... Not saying Hero is bad, the game was awesome and Puma played brilliantly. Just saying that the extra nexus sounded like "obvious" macro mistake...
"whatever"
PuMa destroyed 2 gates with siege so obviously hero couldn'T spend anymore, and he did build 2 more gates BEFORE expanding 
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Did anyone see when did Puma build the second raven? When the DT went in Puma's main, I figured Hero should target down the tech lab on the starport first so that Puma can't build more Raven since the OC didn't have enough energy for a scan anyway and there's no other way to detect the DTs.
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On October 09 2011 04:05 kittensrcute wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 04:02 Arcanne wrote:On October 09 2011 04:02 kittensrcute wrote:
I'm just putting this out there.....
If HerO had won...would people not be complaining about cheese? He went proxy Stargate into DTs...
But because Terran won, Terran is the ultimate cheeser. It was one base vs one base and cheesy strats on both sides from the start.
I understand that people are cheering for the Liquid player and the Protoss hope but I don't know, it just seems silly to me how biased people can be.
I don't really enjoy watching games like this, but that's what I took from it. I hate the huge amount of Terrans in GSL too, but I don't get all the Puma hate. No choice but to cheese I think he lost a lot in the proxy VR (just because it didn't really do significant damage. He also built a handful of Phoenix and lost them very early against Puma's contain. Bleh, I wanted HerO to win but he definitely didn't play a perfect game 3, tough luck I guess.
Those phoenixes definitely paid for their cost: it slowed the bunkers and bought time for charge to finish, he needed them.
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On October 09 2011 04:03 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 04:01 WickedBit wrote:On October 09 2011 03:58 arfyron wrote:On October 09 2011 03:57 worldchrisis wrote:
Fuck Terran. Ban me I don't care. Fuck Terran and fuck Puma for just 111 cheesing every game against Protosss You undermine your arguments when you say puma 111s every game when that is clearly not true. Considering he loses every time he doeskin 111 i think its a fair statement . I hope he faces a zerg or terran next since 111 doesnt work then and he will lose just like against idra. But that was a tense game. Hero did mostly everything write there but it came down to two things, loses those phoenixes and also morphing a nexus at the wrong time. really? pretty sure I saw him win 2 games against JYP without the 1-1-1 and we just saw him win game 1 without a 1-1-1.
I might have exaggerated a bit but you can't deny his win rates against other races are not up there as against toss.And also he uses threat of 1-1-1 to gain early game leads that otherwise would not have been possible.
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OK, seriously, this "fantastic TvP of Puma" is based on what exactly? He is no MVP, he is no Nestea, he just happens to be a good player who can abuse certain features of his race.
But don't put him in the bracket of MC, Nestea or MVP, please. In fact, I wouldn't put him in the same bracket as DRG or Hero. These days, I have trouble rating any terran, it is not clear if he is really good or just knows to abuse certain strategies. Even Bomber is quite like that.
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I really don't get why a lot of you think that building the Nexus was a good idea.
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On October 09 2011 04:04 ramon wrote:![[image loading]](http://www0.xup.in/exec/ximg.php?fid=12206328) i think i see a pattern~ whitera has a good chance though
pattern being that the stronger player won?
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My virus scanner blocked that address for whatever reason
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You guys realize that out of every match-up that had a korean in it the korean came out as the winner?
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On October 09 2011 04:02 doko100 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 04:01 beamingrobot wrote:On October 09 2011 03:59 JoeSchmoe wrote:On October 09 2011 03:58 Apollo_Shards wrote:On October 09 2011 03:57 Jtom wrote:
Hero had an excess of 400 minerals after he put down the nexus and he had no warpgate cycles available. It didn't matter that he spent the money on that nexus. I completely agree. He couldn't get out gateways in time. that's not a excuse for putting down a nexus. that's him not macroing well on 4gates 1 base Are you serious? Did you not see the constant chrono on the gates? Are YOU kidding? If you can't keep your money low on 1 base with 4 gates and 1 robo (+ DT tech and upgrades) you are doing it wrong, honestly.
This is actually incorrect.
You mine about 815 minerals a minute, which after your first chronoboosted round of units, after you have cut probes, will give you around 400 excess minerals. After all that time he had the extra minerals, there's nowhere else to spend it. This allows you another location to mine if it goes even crazier somehow, OR gives you more cboost.
At a certain point, there's no reason to float the 800 minerals
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On October 09 2011 04:02 kittensrcute wrote:
I'm just putting this out there.....
If HerO had won...would people not be complaining about cheese? He went proxy Stargate into DTs...
But because Terran won, Terran is the ultimate cheeser. It was one base vs one base and cheesy strats on both sides from the start.
I understand that people are cheering for the Liquid player and the Protoss hope but I don't know, it just seems silly to me how biased people can be.
I don't really enjoy watching games like this, but that's what I took from it. I hate the huge amount of Terrans in GSL too, but I don't get all the Puma hate.
This.
I understand that liquid pride plays a big part of it, but there are people who are throwing personal insults out against Puma, come on now. Puma is actually pretty damn good. I love Hero too, but you play to win the game. But can we really expect a LR thread to stay civilized?
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On October 09 2011 04:03 SMD wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 04:02 RJGooner wrote:
I can only laugh at the people raging at Puma. Seriously, Hero goes for a proxy stargate and Puma wins the game with great army control and decision making and people give shit for it. Making marines and losing all scvs is a very good terran strategy.
Being butthurt because puma actually played really smart that game and had great micro/decisionmaking and ended up winning the game, is a very good posting strategy
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