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On October 09 2011 04:02 kittensrcute wrote:
I'm just putting this out there.....
If HerO had won...would people not be complaining about cheese? He went proxy Stargate into DTs...
But because Terran won, Terran is the ultimate cheeser. It was one base vs one base and cheesy strats on both sides from the start.
I understand that people are cheering for the Liquid player and the Protoss hope but I don't know, it just seems silly to me how biased people can be.
I don't really enjoy watching games like this, but that's what I took from it. I hate the huge amount of Terrans in GSL too, but I don't get all the Puma hate.
its puma hate because he was the guy who won, its really just terran hate and its because people are frustrated. Think of every sport with fans ever, if the game is THAT close when your side loses you are upset and want nothing more then to blame something else.
Not to say i liked the game and i 100% understand where they are coming from, its just not PUMA hate its terran hate with pumas name in front
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On October 09 2011 04:02 Arcanne wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 04:02 kittensrcute wrote:
I'm just putting this out there.....
If HerO had won...would people not be complaining about cheese? He went proxy Stargate into DTs...
But because Terran won, Terran is the ultimate cheeser. It was one base vs one base and cheesy strats on both sides from the start.
I understand that people are cheering for the Liquid player and the Protoss hope but I don't know, it just seems silly to me how biased people can be.
I don't really enjoy watching games like this, but that's what I took from it. I hate the huge amount of Terrans in GSL too, but I don't get all the Puma hate. No choice but to cheese
I think he lost a lot in the proxy VR (just because it didn't really do significant damage. He also built a handful of Phoenix and lost them very early against Puma's contain. Bleh, I wanted HerO to win but he definitely didn't play a perfect game 3, tough luck I guess.
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On October 09 2011 04:02 Otori wrote:
The amount of 1/1/1 tears in this thread last 15 pages are hilarious, jesus fucking christ, it's a risk vs reward build and not OP or unstoppable
Yeah its like 10% risk vs 90% reward.
Tough decision.
Anyways I predicted this in yesterday's LR matchup. MC gonna smash this nerd's face.
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On October 09 2011 04:03 red4ce wrote:
Have you no pride Puma? Have you no shame?
He did 1-1-1 in one game from the series... Hero proxy stargated that game...
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On October 09 2011 04:03 TheKefka wrote:
One day we will look at the older version of this great starcraft game and laugh at how it was possible for marines to have the kind of dps they had back than and that the mule existed.
Can't wait.
Or one day, we will look back and laugh at why protoss had to resort to gimmicky 1 base strats to hold this 1 1 1 push. I'm certain someone will come up with an expansion timing to hold this off. We already saw glimpses of this from Tails.
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On October 09 2011 04:02 kittensrcute wrote:
I'm just putting this out there.....
If HerO had won...would people not be complaining about cheese? He went proxy Stargate into DTs...
But because Terran won, Terran is the ultimate cheeser. It was one base vs one base and cheesy strats on both sides from the start.
I understand that people are cheering for the Liquid player and the Protoss hope but I don't know, it just seems silly to me how biased people can be.
I don't really enjoy watching games like this, but that's what I took from it. I hate the huge amount of Terrans in GSL too, but I don't get all the Puma hate.
It's not really cheese that people are complaining about. It's a very specific build that has been consistently beating high level protoss players. It's not fair to go "omg you're complaining about cheese when Protoss cheesed too" and completely ignore that these complaints are focused on a particular build and not just the generic term "cheese"
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Clearly that Nexus cost the game for Hero. Even if he was floating minerals, it was better to build extra gate or something, cus the Nexus will not help you at all. Nexus helps after 2 minutes and its long term decision... It was clear that this game will not continue for that long. Poor decision by Hero cost him the game.
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Well, that game was pretty sad. Disregarding balance, the 1-1-1 (sorry if that wasn't it, thought it looked like it) is pretty damn boring to watch, and it's a shame that PuMa resorted to using it to win. He's a really good player and should be able to win without silly business. Edit: Also, that Nexus seems like it buried Hero. Oh, well. The sad Zealot is going to have a few more fans.
Anyway, LETS GO, WHITE-RA!
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On October 09 2011 04:03 arfyron wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 04:02 kittensrcute wrote:
I'm just putting this out there.....
If HerO had won...would people not be complaining about cheese? He went proxy Stargate into DTs...
But because Terran won, Terran is the ultimate cheeser. It was one base vs one base and cheesy strats on both sides from the start.
I understand that people are cheering for the Liquid player and the Protoss hope but I don't know, it just seems silly to me how biased people can be.
I don't really enjoy watching games like this, but that's what I took from it. I hate the huge amount of Terrans in GSL too, but I don't get all the Puma hate. Thank you!
No thank you. Hero did what he did because he knew puma would 111 just like every single other time has played the damn map vs. a protoss. It was a response, not just a "gay cheese". Scouting a cannon rush and throwing down a forge for cannons and maybe being offensive with a few of them with your scouting probe isn't cheese. This wasn't either.
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On October 09 2011 04:02 Otori wrote:
The amount of 1/1/1 tears in this thread last 15 pages are hilarious, jesus fucking christ, it's a risk vs reward build and not OP or unstoppable
Risk against protoss? Not much, considering it is very easy to kill the protoss while executing horribly. He pulls 90% of his scvs and 6 minutes later, loses all his scvs, and still wins. No other build in the game has such a high reward for such a low risk.
1/1/1 failing is not a big deal if you don't lose all your scvs to one DT.
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On October 09 2011 04:02 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 04:01 Hemula wrote:On October 09 2011 03:59 Ben... wrote:
The more I watch Puma play, the more I'm convinced he isn't actually anything special but a huge abuser of Terran. First MC, now Hero. Both outplay him by a mile yet he still wins by 1/1/1ing. As soon as 1/1/1 and ghosts are actually fixed his TvP will drop dramatically. Was not MC an abuser of toss, when he was reaping everybody apart? If you can abuse it means you pretty damn good to do so. Mechanically and brain-wise. If you can abuse, it means you'll be good in the first year or so of the game and you'll be gone when the game actually becomes good. Whatever.
LOL shut up. Abusive play? They play to win, not to satisfy some twisted notion from Casual players about fair play. This is hilarious, I guess if Hero had been ¨abusive¨(ie using his tools to their full potential) and did a 7 Gate timming you would be bashing him?
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On October 09 2011 03:59 Ben... wrote:
The more I watch Puma play, the more I'm convinced he isn't actually anything special but a huge abuser of Terran. First MC, now Hero. Both outplay him by a mile yet he still wins by 1/1/1ing. As soon as 1/1/1 and ghosts are actually fixed his TvP will drop dramatically.
What a load of bullshit, please cry elsewhere...
HerO made simply mistakes and got punished, balance cry is baseless
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On October 09 2011 04:03 BoBiNoU wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 04:00 Whiteman103 wrote:On October 09 2011 04:00 BoBiNoU wrote:On October 09 2011 03:58 arfyron wrote:On October 09 2011 03:57 worldchrisis wrote:
Fuck Terran. Ban me I don't care. Fuck Terran and fuck Puma for just 111 cheesing every game against Protosss You undermine your arguments when you say puma 111s every game when that is clearly not true. Is there actually one BoX where Puma DID not 1-1-1 at least one game in TvP ? I dont think so. Sad for Hero who was a beast on this one. yes NASL finales did you watch those games ? He 1-1-1 at least 2 of the 3 games he won -_-
did you watch those games? It was a bo7 and he didn't use 1-1-1 at all
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Awesome job HD and Painuser.
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On October 09 2011 04:03 BoBiNoU wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 04:00 Whiteman103 wrote:On October 09 2011 04:00 BoBiNoU wrote:On October 09 2011 03:58 arfyron wrote:On October 09 2011 03:57 worldchrisis wrote:
Fuck Terran. Ban me I don't care. Fuck Terran and fuck Puma for just 111 cheesing every game against Protosss You undermine your arguments when you say puma 111s every game when that is clearly not true. Is there actually one BoX where Puma DID not 1-1-1 at least one game in TvP ? I dont think so. Sad for Hero who was a beast on this one. yes NASL finales did you watch those games ? He 1-1-1 at least 2 of the 3 games he won -_-
That wasn't nasl, it was iem.
I don't think he 1-1-1 a single time in nasl.
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Puma knows where da money at
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On October 09 2011 04:03 Yenticha wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 04:01 beamingrobot wrote:On October 09 2011 03:59 JoeSchmoe wrote:On October 09 2011 03:58 Apollo_Shards wrote:On October 09 2011 03:57 Jtom wrote:
Hero had an excess of 400 minerals after he put down the nexus and he had no warpgate cycles available. It didn't matter that he spent the money on that nexus. I completely agree. He couldn't get out gateways in time. that's not a excuse for putting down a nexus. that's him not macroing well on 4gates 1 base Are you serious? Did you not see the constant chrono on the gates? Whatever. It all comes down to bad macro. He could have had an extra gateway... Not saying Hero is bad, the game was awesome and Puma played brilliantly. Just saying that the extra nexus sounded like "obvious" macro mistake...
Puma destroyed extra gates that Hero had, that's like complaining that a Zerg is macroing badly if he has no queens.
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On October 09 2011 04:02 doko100 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 04:01 beamingrobot wrote:On October 09 2011 03:59 JoeSchmoe wrote:On October 09 2011 03:58 Apollo_Shards wrote:On October 09 2011 03:57 Jtom wrote:
Hero had an excess of 400 minerals after he put down the nexus and he had no warpgate cycles available. It didn't matter that he spent the money on that nexus. I completely agree. He couldn't get out gateways in time. that's not a excuse for putting down a nexus. that's him not macroing well on 4gates 1 base Are you serious? Did you not see the constant chrono on the gates? Are YOU kidding? If you can't keep your money low on 1 base with 4 gates and 1 robo (+ DT tech and upgrades) you are doing it wrong, honestly.
I think 2 gateways in the beginning of the engagement (right after the phoenix's died while puma was building the bunkers)
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On October 09 2011 04:02 jazzyjazz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 04:00 karn1 wrote:On October 09 2011 03:57 Eschaton wrote:
Here come the complaints about Puma cheesing, after defending a proxy stargate and fighting DTs.
Puma didn't cheese, he used a very strong all-in strategy that takes almost impossible control from the Protoss player to stop. The Proxy Stargate was to delay the build, DTs were in reaction to the build to stop the second wave by doing economic damage. Because Terran can bring all his SCVs but still make a second attack-wave Pretty sure it's cheese when you bring 20 scv's to attack with you when you are on one base =.='
Proxy stargate into DT sure is a macro strategy. This is cheese against cheese. What is there to complain?
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