[IEM] Guangzhou - Day 2 - Page 70

On October 02 2011 15:59 Zeon0 wrote:

not true, look at group a.

On October 02 2011 16:04 Azarkon wrote:


Yes and no.

Zergs may have reverted (though it might just be IdrA), but Protoss has not.

On October 02 2011 16:05 Maghetti wrote:
Noooo I wanted to see Revival :/

On October 02 2011 16:03 Daralii wrote:

Link me to one Korean ZvP that was decided by neural.

On October 02 2011 16:05 Hierarch wrote:


That's a crutch then imo, falling back on the same old crutch is not the right answer, until people can definitively show that the matchup has regressed than it's stupid to say the patch ruined it.

On October 02 2011 16:05 Geo.Rion wrote:

i said a player, meaning one, not two

Btw, for those who dont know, this is updated very frequently with results
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IEM_Season_VI_-_Global_Challenge_Guangzhou

On October 02 2011 16:00 eNigma627 wrote:


For the love of God, yes.....

1). Hydras should only be used against double stargate (not one) and should be stopped when Colossus come out

2). Stop engaging into forcefields and chokes... seriously, IdrA is awesome but he has some of the worst army-engagements of all time... and he continues to engage that way and lose armies.

3). Dat nexus.... kill it!!!!

On October 02 2011 16:02 Zeon0 wrote:

u need 1 fungal more, because u would have to chain the fungals perfectly, but if u miss like 0.5s of a fungal, a stalker blink. so u have to stack them a bit and therefore u need 1 fungal more.

On October 02 2011 16:06 Serpico wrote:

The right answer is what wins you games.

On October 02 2011 16:05 Jehct wrote:

There's no other choice. People point out the fungal change was barely noticable and they're right, they just don't understand how important the neural nerf was. The only way for infestor-based compositions to go toe-to-toe with decent colossus numbers was neural; now you can't do that.

That's why people like Sase called the change stupid. Micro (blink/spreading/colossus positioning) could deal with the 11 range neural. When it's at 7 range if the zerg ever neurals a colossus the protoss fucked up (and either way the infestor will be focused down instantly because it's in range of the stalkers).

This also means a well-rounded protoss max should beat any zerg composition without broodlords now, but maybe that's intended (if there's a way to still make ultra's work without neural I haven't seen it).

It also made thor/banshee/hellion a pain TvZ, but that's a whole different story.

On October 02 2011 16:04 iamke55 wrote:

Huk has a much better understanding of PvZ (or maybe he just uses better builds) so he finds a way to get enough econ to support mass cannons.

On October 02 2011 16:07 DiaBoLuS wrote:


11 range neural? wanna neural me from your own base or woot? it was 9, not 11 oO 8 wouldve been the perfect change i guess, 7 makes it almost useless

On October 02 2011 16:02 Maghetti wrote:
I didn't think Jim played THAT bad that game. He was getting the right units, he was expanding the right way, he just didn't have macro as good as idra did, made some control mistakes, and worse of all for me, he didn't build enough cannons. Watching huk play that style you see lots of cannons and always has troops ready to stand the ground with cannons, units, and forcefields cutting up the attacking armies.He had the right idea.

On October 02 2011 16:07 LittleAtari wrote:

the colossus count was always low. Hydras destroy gateway units when supplemented with roach/ling. Idra would kill the colosi pretty quick leaving his roach-hydra to rofl-stomp the gateway units. The only things Idra did bad was where he chose to engage. The positions always favored the protoss, as idra engaged at the tight areas on the third. Still, idra had more than enough money and it was just a matter of time that he would wear him down.

I actually think it's kind of crazy that Idra managed to pull off using Hydras as the core of his army by not over-reacting to the colosi and knowing that he could make corruptors to take of them. It's actually a little scary when you think about it

On October 02 2011 16:09 hitpoint wrote:


I don't watch the GSL anymore, but there's probably lots of examples. It's not just about winning the game with neural, it's about having it available. If you don't have corruptors, then you used to need bane drops or NP to kill a death ball with more than a few colossi.

Plus we're talking about Idra's style. He isn't aggressive or ling heavy like Koreans. I don't even know why you bring them up when we're talking about Idra.