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Avalain
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada308 Posts
October 02 2011 03:12 GMT
#361
Wow...that looks a lot like the way my games turn out. Sucks...I'd really like to have seen something "fresh and new" that beats the standard stalker colossi comp.
You know what unit really has balance problems? Colossi. Why, they look like they could be blown over in a stiff wind!
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-02 03:12:40
October 02 2011 03:12 GMT
#362
On October 02 2011 12:11 justinpal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 12:10 rpgalon wrote:
On October 02 2011 12:08 Aocowns wrote:
On October 02 2011 12:07 jmbthirteen wrote:
Now I know I have heard idra say over and over roaches and hydras suck, yet he maxes on them 2 games in a row...

He forced the hydras with mass phoenix

why no corruptor or infestor, both hardcounter phoenix and are good against colossus...


Corruptors are the hydras that can fly.

And do their job due to their bulk and ability to be easily massed. They're boring, but they're not at all bad at their job.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-02 03:12:51
October 02 2011 03:12 GMT
#363
On October 02 2011 12:08 Aocowns wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 12:07 jmbthirteen wrote:
Now I know I have heard idra say over and over roaches and hydras suck, yet he maxes on them 2 games in a row...

He forced the hydras with mass phoenix

more queens could have handled the phoenix harass (along with spore crawlers). or a faster spire with some corrupters would have been better.
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Mainland
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada551 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-02 03:12:56
October 02 2011 03:12 GMT
#364
I think it was losing the overlords that cost Idra that game. I think best response to mass phoenix is to keep your overlords over spore crawlers and rally roach ling to their base mondragon style.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
October 02 2011 03:12 GMT
#365
On October 02 2011 12:10 kurrysauce wrote:
Okay , so for the rest of the day I'm gonna predict this is what's gonna happen to idra.

Play awesomely for the early - mid game making opponent's early rushes and attacks look like child's play.

Die flat out in the late game because he refuses to tech to broodlords.

Don't see how idra gonna make it out of this group if he continues to neglect T3 units.


Yeah I agree with this. Game 1 he had it quite easily but did everything wrong (making 30 hydra's no corruptors assuming he wouldn't make colossi again), getting a very late hive (which imo should have been earlier).

When I see mass phoenix like that I get corruptors I think its a better response then hydra's by far as corruptors do very well vs phoenix while hydra get shit on.

Blah I mean not surprised I feel idra's going to lose like this until he goes back to korea.

Also Who's playing next?
When I think of something else, something will go here
Flowjo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States928 Posts
October 02 2011 03:13 GMT
#366
Hope Jinro smashes his group! argg I want JYP to take it all though
IMNestea's biggest fan.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
October 02 2011 03:13 GMT
#367
On October 02 2011 12:10 rpgalon wrote:
why no corruptor or infestor, both hardcounter phoenix and are good against colossus...

Because Corruptor's auto-lose against Gateway, and Hydras don't.

Only time you ever want to build Corruptors is to morph to BL, or to match Colossi supply for supply...otherwise you have completely dead weight taking up 20+ supply.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Termit
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden3466 Posts
October 02 2011 03:13 GMT
#368
On October 02 2011 12:12 Shaetan wrote:
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On October 02 2011 12:07 Termit wrote:
Just tuned in. Is it bo3 or just nbo1 in group stage?


bo3

ok thx
( ̄。 ̄)~zzz ◕ ◡ ◕
DiaBoLuS
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany1638 Posts
October 02 2011 03:13 GMT
#369
On October 02 2011 12:07 Aocowns wrote:
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On October 02 2011 12:05 Condor Hero wrote:
if protoss pushes now, zerg just dies since no corruptors.

beep wrong. Corruptors made no fuckin difference


you gotta say, he didnt focus any colossus. they stayed alive like forever
European Ranking: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=182293
Potthead
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia121 Posts
October 02 2011 03:13 GMT
#370
Can't wait til iaguz plays :D
sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5524 Posts
October 02 2011 03:13 GMT
#371
It's really irritating to watch IdrA play... that contradiction that exists between his game knowledge and his really solid mechanics and his actual results is staggering. And it happens nearly every time, that's what is so weird, that level of predictability. I don't understand how someone can do this for a living and hit their head against the proverbial brick wall for so long...
Like Tinkerbelle, I leave behind a sparkly residue.
Mainland
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada551 Posts
October 02 2011 03:14 GMT
#372
Another thing is Idra needs to get upgrades earlier. Dimaga's always trying to get 3-3-3 quickly. Upgraded zerg units are actually quite strong.
iamke55
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States2806 Posts
October 02 2011 03:14 GMT
#373
On October 02 2011 12:11 Tsubbi wrote:
no other esport guy i know has as bad of a mindset as idra, i bet a lot of us people saw idra as the favorite vs elfi

It's not just esports. Look at the great champions of any sport and you'll see that their qualities are exactly the opposite of Idra's in terms of mindset.
During practice session, I discovered very good build against zerg. -Bisu[Shield]
Shaetan
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1175 Posts
October 02 2011 03:14 GMT
#374
On October 02 2011 12:11 justinpal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 12:10 rpgalon wrote:
On October 02 2011 12:08 Aocowns wrote:
On October 02 2011 12:07 jmbthirteen wrote:
Now I know I have heard idra say over and over roaches and hydras suck, yet he maxes on them 2 games in a row...

He forced the hydras with mass phoenix

why no corruptor or infestor, both hardcounter phoenix and are good against colossus...


Corruptors are the hydras that can fly.

Edit: Also Infestors are hard countered by colossus.


I don't know about taking it that far.
My Casts: www.youtube.com/Shaetan
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
October 02 2011 03:14 GMT
#375
On October 02 2011 12:13 sparklyresidue wrote:
It's really irritating to watch IdrA play... that contradiction that exists between his game knowledge and his really solid mechanics and his actual results is staggering. And it happens nearly every time, that's what is so weird, that level of predictability. I don't understand how someone can do this for a living and hit their head against the proverbial brick wall for so long...

It's his mentality that's the problem. "I've been playing Starcraft for a really long time. I can't build anything I want, a-move, and win. My race is so bad, I might as well not try."

Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
Slakter
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden1947 Posts
October 02 2011 03:15 GMT
#376
On October 02 2011 12:10 rpgalon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 12:08 Aocowns wrote:
On October 02 2011 12:07 jmbthirteen wrote:
Now I know I have heard idra say over and over roaches and hydras suck, yet he maxes on them 2 games in a row...

He forced the hydras with mass phoenix

why no corruptor or infestor, both hardcounter phoenix and are good against colossus...

First of all, dont say counter gosh darnit!

Second, infestors are pretty terrible vs collo since patch, at least on that map since it´s so easily to in late/midgame wall off the entire mid with forcefields, effectively putting all festors either out of range or in range of your stalkers.

And corruptors vs collo is pretty coinflip IMO and is mostly a last resort where you hope your opponent messes up his micro.

All in all I think Idra needed to Baneling-drop after going heavy spores with roaches and better yet, hire a squad of highly trained chinese assasins to go pay blizzards mapmakers a visit!

However, Idra did stay waaaaaay too long in the midgame that game and deserved that loss.
Protoss, can't live with em', can't kill em'.
John Madden
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
American Samoa894 Posts
October 02 2011 03:15 GMT
#377
On October 02 2011 12:13 Potthead wrote:
Can't wait til iaguz plays :D

Me too man <3
FOOTBALL
ZidaneTribal
Profile Joined September 2007
United States2800 Posts
October 02 2011 03:15 GMT
#378
whens jinro vs jim?
fuck lag
Micket
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2163 Posts
October 02 2011 03:15 GMT
#379
On October 02 2011 12:11 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 12:09 Micket wrote:
Idra sure as hell was not going roach hydra corruptor before he used mass infestors so i don't see why he is now. Roach hydra corruptor is countered by blink stalker, not colossus! At least go ling bane muta or ling bane infestor, but using a unit composition with 0 attacking potential is just not clever.


He was always going roach hydra corruptor before he got on the infestor train. His honeymoon with baneling drops was sweet, but short.

Around the time of MLG Anaheim he was hardly using infestors as much as the foreign Zergs and was playing a more korean style, which at the time was simply roach ling aggression. Koreans only made hydras to defend 2 base all ins, never to play a macro game. You can't beat pure blink stalker with roach hydra, let alone stalker colossus. To beat blink stalker, you still need lings or infestors, because all of Zerg's other units are terrible vs it.
ZeaL.
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5955 Posts
October 02 2011 03:15 GMT
#380
On October 02 2011 12:13 sparklyresidue wrote:
It's really irritating to watch IdrA play... that contradiction that exists between his game knowledge and his really solid mechanics and his actual results is staggering. And it happens nearly every time, that's what is so weird, that level of predictability. I don't understand how someone can do this for a living and hit their head against the proverbial brick wall for so long...


He doesn't need to win games to make a living, he can just talk shit about other people while laddering and make money off of ads. Why people are so enamored by Idra's bm has confused me for years.
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