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I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
October 02 2011 03:15 GMT
#381
On October 02 2011 12:13 sparklyresidue wrote:
It's really irritating to watch IdrA play... that contradiction that exists between his game knowledge and his really solid mechanics and his actual results is staggering. And it happens nearly every time, that's what is so weird, that level of predictability. I don't understand how someone can do this for a living and hit their head against the proverbial brick wall for so long...


It's beyond frustrating. I'm an IdrA fan but I can't even take his ZvP remotely seriously. You see his skill in almost every fight and he just makes these decisions that you wish somebody would just walk up behind him, slap him in the head, an shake their finger saying, "No. Bad IdrA. No. Don't do that."
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
Hrrrrm
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2081 Posts
October 02 2011 03:15 GMT
#382
On October 02 2011 12:13 sparklyresidue wrote:
It's really irritating to watch IdrA play... that contradiction that exists between his game knowledge and his really solid mechanics and his actual results is staggering. And it happens nearly every time, that's what is so weird, that level of predictability. I don't understand how someone can do this for a living and hit their head against the proverbial brick wall for so long...


The /commercial on his stream let's him sleep at night.
alot = a lot (TWO WORDS)
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
October 02 2011 03:15 GMT
#383
On October 02 2011 12:13 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 12:10 rpgalon wrote:
why no corruptor or infestor, both hardcounter phoenix and are good against colossus...

Because Corruptor's auto-lose against Gateway, and Hydras don't.

Only time you ever want to build Corruptors is to morph to BL, or to match Colossi supply for supply...otherwise you have completely dead weight taking up 20+ supply.

He wouldn't have to make a ton of corrupters, just enough to handle the phoenix along with some extra queens and spores. way better option than hydras. Everyone knew that Colussus would come with hydras out
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SafeAsCheese
Profile Joined June 2011
United States4924 Posts
October 02 2011 03:16 GMT
#384
On October 02 2011 12:14 Daralii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 12:13 sparklyresidue wrote:
It's really irritating to watch IdrA play... that contradiction that exists between his game knowledge and his really solid mechanics and his actual results is staggering. And it happens nearly every time, that's what is so weird, that level of predictability. I don't understand how someone can do this for a living and hit their head against the proverbial brick wall for so long...

It's his mentality that's the problem. "I've been playing Starcraft for a really long time. I can't build anything I want, a-move, and win. My race is so bad, I might as well not try."



Stop playing internet psychologist, please. It's realy annoying.

This is what PvZ is going to be for the next few months now that you can't neural parasite a colossus unless protoss is awful. Especially when they start mixing in motherships

NesTea and Coca are going to be doing a shit-load of mid-game 2/3 base all-ins to try to avoid the late game, and if they get late game, they are going to lose as well.

Just watch.
kurrysauce
Profile Joined October 2010
272 Posts
October 02 2011 03:16 GMT
#385
Does anyone know the name of the beat they play between matches? (the one with sjow cheering in dignitas jersey..)
McFeser
Profile Joined July 2011
United States2458 Posts
October 02 2011 03:17 GMT
#386
Rotterdam and MrBitter are so fucking good together.
Promethelax still hasn't changed his quote
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
October 02 2011 03:17 GMT
#387
go go strelok!
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cyclone25
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Romania3344 Posts
October 02 2011 03:17 GMT
#388
Strelok fighting!
crawlingchaos
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada2025 Posts
October 02 2011 03:17 GMT
#389
So we missed Jinro/Jim to watch that eh T_T

At least Strelok & Revival should be a step up...
They say that life's a carousel, spinning fast you've gotta ride it well, the world is full of kings and queens who blind your eyes and steal your dreams, it's heaven and hell, oh well.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-02 03:19:23
October 02 2011 03:18 GMT
#390
On October 02 2011 12:15 Micket wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 12:11 Azarkon wrote:
On October 02 2011 12:09 Micket wrote:
Idra sure as hell was not going roach hydra corruptor before he used mass infestors so i don't see why he is now. Roach hydra corruptor is countered by blink stalker, not colossus! At least go ling bane muta or ling bane infestor, but using a unit composition with 0 attacking potential is just not clever.


He was always going roach hydra corruptor before he got on the infestor train. His honeymoon with baneling drops was sweet, but short.

Around the time of MLG Anaheim he was hardly using infestors as much as the foreign Zergs and was playing a more korean style, which at the time was simply roach ling aggression. Koreans only made hydras to defend 2 base all ins, never to play a macro game. You can't beat pure blink stalker with roach hydra, let alone stalker colossus. To beat blink stalker, you still need lings or infestors, because all of Zerg's other units are terrible vs it.


Roach hydra was IdrA's earliest style - the style he used throughout Beta and the first few months of release. Then he hit a brick wall in terms of his vP and started switching it up, especially with roach ling all-ins against Protoss FE. Then Protoss learned how to defend roach ling all-ins and he started experimenting with a lot of different styles, like banelings. At some point he switched to infestors like other Zergs. Now he's back to roach hydra, and you can tell it's IdrA's roach hydra because he loses the same way with it as he did in the past.

Watching this series was a serious case of deja vu for me.
Horse...falcon
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1851 Posts
October 02 2011 03:18 GMT
#391
anybody else's audio filled with static? I think it might be my speakers but I'm not sure.
Artosis: "From horsssse....falcon"
sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5524 Posts
October 02 2011 03:18 GMT
#392
On October 02 2011 12:15 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 12:13 sparklyresidue wrote:
It's really irritating to watch IdrA play... that contradiction that exists between his game knowledge and his really solid mechanics and his actual results is staggering. And it happens nearly every time, that's what is so weird, that level of predictability. I don't understand how someone can do this for a living and hit their head against the proverbial brick wall for so long...


It's beyond frustrating. I'm an IdrA fan but I can't even take his ZvP remotely seriously. You see his skill in almost every fight and he just makes these decisions that you wish somebody would just walk up behind him, slap him in the head, an shake their finger saying, "No. Bad IdrA. No. Don't do that."


Yeah, this is how I feel. It's annoying that someone can play a game for a living, and post terrible results, and yet continue to flourish (in some sense of the word). Maybe if someone threatened him with some consequences he'd do better?
I want to be an IdrA fan, and sort of am I guess (whenever I am reminded of how good he COULD be) but it's really hard to maintain any sort of faith after watching him at major tournaments.
Like Tinkerbelle, I leave behind a sparkly residue.
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
October 02 2011 03:18 GMT
#393
On October 02 2011 12:16 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 12:14 Daralii wrote:
On October 02 2011 12:13 sparklyresidue wrote:
It's really irritating to watch IdrA play... that contradiction that exists between his game knowledge and his really solid mechanics and his actual results is staggering. And it happens nearly every time, that's what is so weird, that level of predictability. I don't understand how someone can do this for a living and hit their head against the proverbial brick wall for so long...

It's his mentality that's the problem. "I've been playing Starcraft for a really long time. I can't build anything I want, a-move, and win. My race is so bad, I might as well not try."


Especially when they start mixing in motherships

Stopped reading right there.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
October 02 2011 03:18 GMT
#394
He wouldn't have to make a ton of corrupters, just enough to handle the phoenix along with some extra queens and spores. way better option than hydras. Everyone knew that Colussus would come with hydras out

"Just enough to handle" a dozen phoenix is still a lot of Corruptors, especially if you're planning on engaging anything outside of your base...which is where that harass was really shining, taking out a ton of the ground forces.

Not to mention that a single Corruptor uses enough gas to get 2 Hydras, or 4 Roaches.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Eatme
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
Switzerland3919 Posts
October 02 2011 03:18 GMT
#395
No Jinro game, that sucks so much. Why didnt they have second stream for that?
I have the best fucking lawyers in the country including the man they call the Malmis.
Omnipresent
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States871 Posts
October 02 2011 03:18 GMT
#396
On October 02 2011 12:15 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 12:13 sparklyresidue wrote:
It's really irritating to watch IdrA play... that contradiction that exists between his game knowledge and his really solid mechanics and his actual results is staggering. And it happens nearly every time, that's what is so weird, that level of predictability. I don't understand how someone can do this for a living and hit their head against the proverbial brick wall for so long...


It's beyond frustrating. I'm an IdrA fan but I can't even take his ZvP remotely seriously. You see his skill in almost every fight and he just makes these decisions that you wish somebody would just walk up behind him, slap him in the head, an shake their finger saying, "No. Bad IdrA. No. Don't do that."

That first game was particularly embarrassing. Elfi basically did a build that was standard like 4 months ago, and IdrA made the exact same mistakes today as he made then.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
October 02 2011 03:18 GMT
#397
On October 02 2011 12:16 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 12:14 Daralii wrote:
On October 02 2011 12:13 sparklyresidue wrote:
It's really irritating to watch IdrA play... that contradiction that exists between his game knowledge and his really solid mechanics and his actual results is staggering. And it happens nearly every time, that's what is so weird, that level of predictability. I don't understand how someone can do this for a living and hit their head against the proverbial brick wall for so long...

It's his mentality that's the problem. "I've been playing Starcraft for a really long time. I can't build anything I want, a-move, and win. My race is so bad, I might as well not try."



Stop playing internet psychologist, please. It's realy annoying.

This is what PvZ is going to be for the next few months now that you can't neural parasite a colossus unless protoss is awful. Especially when they start mixing in motherships

NesTea and Coca are going to be doing a shit-load of mid-game 2/3 base all-ins to try to avoid the late game, and if they get late game, they are going to lose as well.

Just watch.

watch as NesTea and Coca consistently win games? I will. Idra has a terrible mindset, you dont need to be a psychologist to know this. Stop being such a fan boy.
www.superbeerbrothers.com
Elefanto
Profile Joined May 2010
Switzerland3584 Posts
October 02 2011 03:18 GMT
#398
On October 02 2011 12:16 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 02 2011 12:14 Daralii wrote:
On October 02 2011 12:13 sparklyresidue wrote:
It's really irritating to watch IdrA play... that contradiction that exists between his game knowledge and his really solid mechanics and his actual results is staggering. And it happens nearly every time, that's what is so weird, that level of predictability. I don't understand how someone can do this for a living and hit their head against the proverbial brick wall for so long...

It's his mentality that's the problem. "I've been playing Starcraft for a really long time. I can't build anything I want, a-move, and win. My race is so bad, I might as well not try."



Stop playing internet psychologist, please. It's realy annoying.

This is what PvZ is going to be for the next few months now that you can't neural parasite a colossus unless protoss is awful. Especially when they start mixing in motherships

NesTea and Coca are going to be doing a shit-load of mid-game 2/3 base all-ins to try to avoid the late game, and if they get late game, they are going to lose as well.

Just watch.


Koreans weren't using Infestor to counter Colossus to begin with, and still owned Protoss like no tomorrow.
And what he says seems pretty reasonable from the outside.
wat
Sufinsil
Profile Joined January 2011
United States760 Posts
October 02 2011 03:18 GMT
#399
On October 02 2011 12:14 Mainland wrote:
Another thing is Idra needs to get upgrades earlier. Dimaga's always trying to get 3-3-3 quickly. Upgraded zerg units are actually quite strong.


Agree, maybe not quite to 3-3-3 quick, but almost all protosses are chronoing out +3 attack quick.
You need that defense upgrade to counter it and take advantage of protoss neglected to get armor early.
Vega62a
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
946 Posts
October 02 2011 03:19 GMT
#400
Idra seems to have a really hard time with the really obnoxious "defend until maxed on 3 bases and then go win" style of Protoss. I know there are ways to beat this as Zerg, and I know he's good enough to do it, so now I'm sad D:
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