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On October 02 2011 12:13 sparklyresidue wrote:
It's really irritating to watch IdrA play... that contradiction that exists between his game knowledge and his really solid mechanics and his actual results is staggering. And it happens nearly every time, that's what is so weird, that level of predictability. I don't understand how someone can do this for a living and hit their head against the proverbial brick wall for so long...
It's beyond frustrating. I'm an IdrA fan but I can't even take his ZvP remotely seriously. You see his skill in almost every fight and he just makes these decisions that you wish somebody would just walk up behind him, slap him in the head, an shake their finger saying, "No. Bad IdrA. No. Don't do that."
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On October 02 2011 12:13 sparklyresidue wrote:
It's really irritating to watch IdrA play... that contradiction that exists between his game knowledge and his really solid mechanics and his actual results is staggering. And it happens nearly every time, that's what is so weird, that level of predictability. I don't understand how someone can do this for a living and hit their head against the proverbial brick wall for so long...
The /commercial on his stream let's him sleep at night.
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On October 02 2011 12:13 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 12:10 rpgalon wrote:
why no corruptor or infestor, both hardcounter phoenix and are good against colossus... Because Corruptor's auto-lose against Gateway, and Hydras don't. Only time you ever want to build Corruptors is to morph to BL, or to match Colossi supply for supply...otherwise you have completely dead weight taking up 20+ supply.
He wouldn't have to make a ton of corrupters, just enough to handle the phoenix along with some extra queens and spores. way better option than hydras. Everyone knew that Colussus would come with hydras out
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On October 02 2011 12:14 Daralii wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 12:13 sparklyresidue wrote:
It's really irritating to watch IdrA play... that contradiction that exists between his game knowledge and his really solid mechanics and his actual results is staggering. And it happens nearly every time, that's what is so weird, that level of predictability. I don't understand how someone can do this for a living and hit their head against the proverbial brick wall for so long... It's his mentality that's the problem. "I've been playing Starcraft for a really long time. I can't build anything I want, a-move, and win. My race is so bad, I might as well not try."
Stop playing internet psychologist, please. It's realy annoying.
This is what PvZ is going to be for the next few months now that you can't neural parasite a colossus unless protoss is awful. Especially when they start mixing in motherships
NesTea and Coca are going to be doing a shit-load of mid-game 2/3 base all-ins to try to avoid the late game, and if they get late game, they are going to lose as well.
Just watch.
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Does anyone know the name of the beat they play between matches? (the one with sjow cheering in dignitas jersey..)
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Rotterdam and MrBitter are so fucking good together.
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So we missed Jinro/Jim to watch that eh T_T
At least Strelok & Revival should be a step up...
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On October 02 2011 12:15 Micket wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 12:11 Azarkon wrote:On October 02 2011 12:09 Micket wrote:
Idra sure as hell was not going roach hydra corruptor before he used mass infestors so i don't see why he is now. Roach hydra corruptor is countered by blink stalker, not colossus! At least go ling bane muta or ling bane infestor, but using a unit composition with 0 attacking potential is just not clever. He was always going roach hydra corruptor before he got on the infestor train. His honeymoon with baneling drops was sweet, but short. Around the time of MLG Anaheim he was hardly using infestors as much as the foreign Zergs and was playing a more korean style, which at the time was simply roach ling aggression. Koreans only made hydras to defend 2 base all ins, never to play a macro game. You can't beat pure blink stalker with roach hydra, let alone stalker colossus. To beat blink stalker, you still need lings or infestors, because all of Zerg's other units are terrible vs it.
Roach hydra was IdrA's earliest style - the style he used throughout Beta and the first few months of release. Then he hit a brick wall in terms of his vP and started switching it up, especially with roach ling all-ins against Protoss FE. Then Protoss learned how to defend roach ling all-ins and he started experimenting with a lot of different styles, like banelings. At some point he switched to infestors like other Zergs. Now he's back to roach hydra, and you can tell it's IdrA's roach hydra because he loses the same way with it as he did in the past.
Watching this series was a serious case of deja vu for me.
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anybody else's audio filled with static? I think it might be my speakers but I'm not sure.
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On October 02 2011 12:15 I_Love_Bacon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 12:13 sparklyresidue wrote:
It's really irritating to watch IdrA play... that contradiction that exists between his game knowledge and his really solid mechanics and his actual results is staggering. And it happens nearly every time, that's what is so weird, that level of predictability. I don't understand how someone can do this for a living and hit their head against the proverbial brick wall for so long... It's beyond frustrating. I'm an IdrA fan but I can't even take his ZvP remotely seriously. You see his skill in almost every fight and he just makes these decisions that you wish somebody would just walk up behind him, slap him in the head, an shake their finger saying, "No. Bad IdrA. No. Don't do that."
Yeah, this is how I feel. It's annoying that someone can play a game for a living, and post terrible results, and yet continue to flourish (in some sense of the word). Maybe if someone threatened him with some consequences he'd do better?
I want to be an IdrA fan, and sort of am I guess (whenever I am reminded of how good he COULD be) but it's really hard to maintain any sort of faith after watching him at major tournaments.
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On October 02 2011 12:16 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 12:14 Daralii wrote:On October 02 2011 12:13 sparklyresidue wrote:
It's really irritating to watch IdrA play... that contradiction that exists between his game knowledge and his really solid mechanics and his actual results is staggering. And it happens nearly every time, that's what is so weird, that level of predictability. I don't understand how someone can do this for a living and hit their head against the proverbial brick wall for so long... It's his mentality that's the problem. "I've been playing Starcraft for a really long time. I can't build anything I want, a-move, and win. My race is so bad, I might as well not try." Especially when they start mixing in motherships
Stopped reading right there.
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He wouldn't have to make a ton of corrupters, just enough to handle the phoenix along with some extra queens and spores. way better option than hydras. Everyone knew that Colussus would come with hydras out
"Just enough to handle" a dozen phoenix is still a lot of Corruptors, especially if you're planning on engaging anything outside of your base...which is where that harass was really shining, taking out a ton of the ground forces.
Not to mention that a single Corruptor uses enough gas to get 2 Hydras, or 4 Roaches.
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No Jinro game, that sucks so much. Why didnt they have second stream for that?
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On October 02 2011 12:15 I_Love_Bacon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 12:13 sparklyresidue wrote:
It's really irritating to watch IdrA play... that contradiction that exists between his game knowledge and his really solid mechanics and his actual results is staggering. And it happens nearly every time, that's what is so weird, that level of predictability. I don't understand how someone can do this for a living and hit their head against the proverbial brick wall for so long... It's beyond frustrating. I'm an IdrA fan but I can't even take his ZvP remotely seriously. You see his skill in almost every fight and he just makes these decisions that you wish somebody would just walk up behind him, slap him in the head, an shake their finger saying, "No. Bad IdrA. No. Don't do that."
That first game was particularly embarrassing. Elfi basically did a build that was standard like 4 months ago, and IdrA made the exact same mistakes today as he made then.
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On October 02 2011 12:16 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 12:14 Daralii wrote:On October 02 2011 12:13 sparklyresidue wrote:
It's really irritating to watch IdrA play... that contradiction that exists between his game knowledge and his really solid mechanics and his actual results is staggering. And it happens nearly every time, that's what is so weird, that level of predictability. I don't understand how someone can do this for a living and hit their head against the proverbial brick wall for so long... It's his mentality that's the problem. "I've been playing Starcraft for a really long time. I can't build anything I want, a-move, and win. My race is so bad, I might as well not try." Stop playing internet psychologist, please. It's realy annoying. This is what PvZ is going to be for the next few months now that you can't neural parasite a colossus unless protoss is awful. Especially when they start mixing in motherships NesTea and Coca are going to be doing a shit-load of mid-game 2/3 base all-ins to try to avoid the late game, and if they get late game, they are going to lose as well. Just watch.
watch as NesTea and Coca consistently win games? I will. Idra has a terrible mindset, you dont need to be a psychologist to know this. Stop being such a fan boy.
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On October 02 2011 12:16 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 12:14 Daralii wrote:On October 02 2011 12:13 sparklyresidue wrote:
It's really irritating to watch IdrA play... that contradiction that exists between his game knowledge and his really solid mechanics and his actual results is staggering. And it happens nearly every time, that's what is so weird, that level of predictability. I don't understand how someone can do this for a living and hit their head against the proverbial brick wall for so long... It's his mentality that's the problem. "I've been playing Starcraft for a really long time. I can't build anything I want, a-move, and win. My race is so bad, I might as well not try." Stop playing internet psychologist, please. It's realy annoying. This is what PvZ is going to be for the next few months now that you can't neural parasite a colossus unless protoss is awful. Especially when they start mixing in motherships NesTea and Coca are going to be doing a shit-load of mid-game 2/3 base all-ins to try to avoid the late game, and if they get late game, they are going to lose as well. Just watch.
Koreans weren't using Infestor to counter Colossus to begin with, and still owned Protoss like no tomorrow.
And what he says seems pretty reasonable from the outside.
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On October 02 2011 12:14 Mainland wrote:
Another thing is Idra needs to get upgrades earlier. Dimaga's always trying to get 3-3-3 quickly. Upgraded zerg units are actually quite strong.
Agree, maybe not quite to 3-3-3 quick, but almost all protosses are chronoing out +3 attack quick.
You need that defense upgrade to counter it and take advantage of protoss neglected to get armor early.
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Idra seems to have a really hard time with the really obnoxious "defend until maxed on 3 bases and then go win" style of Protoss. I know there are ways to beat this as Zerg, and I know he's good enough to do it, so now I'm sad D:
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