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The ambitious terran!! Go strelok!
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After watching strelok on NASL I have high hopes for this match. gogo strelok!
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On October 02 2011 12:22 Executor1 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 12:07 Azarkon wrote:On October 02 2011 12:07 Cyanocyst wrote:
Roach hydra, so obsolete. IdrA's mindset from his recent interview went something like this: Blizzard nerfed infestors. Infestors are now shit. I don't build shit units. Back to roach hydra. Where was this interview i want to see it.
Think it was from his recent victory interview in NASL. He was talking about how the patch wrecked infestors as a response to Protoss and so he's now going roach hydra.
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On October 02 2011 12:21 GreyKnight wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 12:18 Eatme wrote:
No Jinro game, that sucks so much. Why didnt they have second stream for that? No commentator? those games started during elfi vs idra.
Yeah I heard that. I guess we'll se him later. Wanted to see Jim aswell and they are most likely the two best players in the group. But yes it's kinda hard to get 4casters to a tourny just like that.
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On October 02 2011 12:19 Vega62a wrote:
Idra seems to have a really hard time with the really obnoxious "defend until maxed on 3 bases and then go win" style of Protoss. I know there are ways to beat this as Zerg, and I know he's good enough to do it, so now I'm sad D:
Er, Elfi played a hyperaggressive macro game, there was nothing "defend until maxed on 3 bases and then go win" about what he did. The way you word it says you think he was just turtling into some deathball, and neglecting the fact he killed overall 12000 resources of IdrA's with pretty much pure phoenix and excellent control. IdrA apparently isn't good enough to beat a player that looked superior, he got manhandled. How many random overlords were flying around, how many small pockets of hydras just perfect for phoenixes to easily wipe out?
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Go, Strelok, go!
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On October 02 2011 12:23 Aocowns wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 12:18 jmbthirteen wrote:On October 02 2011 12:16 SafeAsCheese wrote:On October 02 2011 12:14 Daralii wrote:On October 02 2011 12:13 sparklyresidue wrote:
It's really irritating to watch IdrA play... that contradiction that exists between his game knowledge and his really solid mechanics and his actual results is staggering. And it happens nearly every time, that's what is so weird, that level of predictability. I don't understand how someone can do this for a living and hit their head against the proverbial brick wall for so long... It's his mentality that's the problem. "I've been playing Starcraft for a really long time. I can't build anything I want, a-move, and win. My race is so bad, I might as well not try." Stop playing internet psychologist, please. It's realy annoying. This is what PvZ is going to be for the next few months now that you can't neural parasite a colossus unless protoss is awful. Especially when they start mixing in motherships NesTea and Coca are going to be doing a shit-load of mid-game 2/3 base all-ins to try to avoid the late game, and if they get late game, they are going to lose as well. Just watch. watch as NesTea and Coca consistently win games? I will. Idra has a terrible mindset, you dont need to be a psychologist to know this. Stop being such a fan boy. Yes, please do watch nestea and Coca win before the late game. That was his god damn point wasnt it?
Well then why not win in the mid game? He had chances both games and he just sat and did nothing in game one and in game two he just shit his pants to some phoenix. Idra has been playing like shit. He needs to play like Nestea/Coca/Losira, not like what he's been doing. Staying on roach/hydra/corruptor so long is fucking stupid.
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Strelok vs Revival, maybe the best game of the day.
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The Warship! Nice to finally see him play in a live event after so many visa issues lol
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On October 02 2011 12:08 Aocowns wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 12:07 jmbthirteen wrote:
Now I know I have heard idra say over and over roaches and hydras suck, yet he maxes on them 2 games in a row... He forced the hydras with mass phoenix
Better to make some extra queens and throw down a bunch of spores than make a unit as terrible as hydras. Use that gas on corrupters and/or infestors instead, since both of them are good against phoenix and also play a useful role against that big stalker/colossus army. Admittedly Zerg isn't my main race but I've never been able to find a good role for the hydra when I off-race in any kind of straight up battle outside of maybe a few ZvZ situations. It doesn't have enough health and requires total commitment on offense because it's so slow off creep. Not good considering how expensive it is.
edit: Hopefully when Idra goes to Korea to train with Huk his ZvP tactics and knowledge will improve. No offense to Incontrol and Axslav, but they aren't exactly the best practice partners you could hope for if you're trying to be world class in every matchup.
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Revival vs Strelock game 1 Dual Sight
strelock left , revival right spawn
4:00 revival has expo up, strelock making factory and reactor on barracks. roach warren starts
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On October 02 2011 12:24 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 12:16 SafeAsCheese wrote:On October 02 2011 12:14 Daralii wrote:On October 02 2011 12:13 sparklyresidue wrote:
It's really irritating to watch IdrA play... that contradiction that exists between his game knowledge and his really solid mechanics and his actual results is staggering. And it happens nearly every time, that's what is so weird, that level of predictability. I don't understand how someone can do this for a living and hit their head against the proverbial brick wall for so long... It's his mentality that's the problem. "I've been playing Starcraft for a really long time. I can't build anything I want, a-move, and win. My race is so bad, I might as well not try." Stop playing internet psychologist, please. It's realy annoying. This is what PvZ is going to be for the next few months now that you can't neural parasite a colossus unless protoss is awful. Especially when they start mixing in motherships NesTea and Coca are going to be doing a shit-load of mid-game 2/3 base all-ins to try to avoid the late game, and if they get late game, they are going to lose as well. Just watch. Losira and Nestea NEVER used neural parasite to win their ZvP games. Coca has done it rarely as well. Seriously, go find a VOD of them using it and let me know because NP was never relevant to korean ZvP.
The point is not "NP IS THE ONLY WAY TO WIN ZVP" , Its the best zergs , nestea , coca and losira , try to finish their opponent off or severely damage him before the late game kicks in which is the exact opposite of what idra is trying to do .
(playing like a Terran in TvZ : Turtle , trying to use drops to dwindle the economy and make small engagements to lower the colossus count and enter the late game ahead of the protoss)
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On October 02 2011 12:24 Waxangel wrote:tree.hugger really gave me too good odds Show nested quote +WaxAngel took "Idra will lose to a Protoss deathball on Shakuras" at 1-30 odds.
HAHAHAH, nice.
I see we're back to 3 months ago. Atleast now protosses can't complain that all zerg do is "qq", because you guys whined the living fuck out of every LR whenever a protoss played(and sometimes even when it didn't).
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On October 02 2011 12:26 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 12:23 Aocowns wrote:On October 02 2011 12:18 jmbthirteen wrote:On October 02 2011 12:16 SafeAsCheese wrote:On October 02 2011 12:14 Daralii wrote:On October 02 2011 12:13 sparklyresidue wrote:
It's really irritating to watch IdrA play... that contradiction that exists between his game knowledge and his really solid mechanics and his actual results is staggering. And it happens nearly every time, that's what is so weird, that level of predictability. I don't understand how someone can do this for a living and hit their head against the proverbial brick wall for so long... It's his mentality that's the problem. "I've been playing Starcraft for a really long time. I can't build anything I want, a-move, and win. My race is so bad, I might as well not try." Stop playing internet psychologist, please. It's realy annoying. This is what PvZ is going to be for the next few months now that you can't neural parasite a colossus unless protoss is awful. Especially when they start mixing in motherships NesTea and Coca are going to be doing a shit-load of mid-game 2/3 base all-ins to try to avoid the late game, and if they get late game, they are going to lose as well. Just watch. watch as NesTea and Coca consistently win games? I will. Idra has a terrible mindset, you dont need to be a psychologist to know this. Stop being such a fan boy. Yes, please do watch nestea and Coca win before the late game. That was his god damn point wasnt it? Well then why not win in the mid game? He had chances both games and he just sat and did nothing in game one and in game two he just shit his pants to some phoenix.
And before anyone says that that shouldn't happen, it was exactly the case PvT in BW. If you didn't end the game before terran got a maxed mech army, you genuinely could not win without the terran screwing up magnificently.
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On October 02 2011 12:23 Aocowns wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 12:18 jmbthirteen wrote:On October 02 2011 12:16 SafeAsCheese wrote:On October 02 2011 12:14 Daralii wrote:On October 02 2011 12:13 sparklyresidue wrote:
It's really irritating to watch IdrA play... that contradiction that exists between his game knowledge and his really solid mechanics and his actual results is staggering. And it happens nearly every time, that's what is so weird, that level of predictability. I don't understand how someone can do this for a living and hit their head against the proverbial brick wall for so long... It's his mentality that's the problem. "I've been playing Starcraft for a really long time. I can't build anything I want, a-move, and win. My race is so bad, I might as well not try." Stop playing internet psychologist, please. It's realy annoying. This is what PvZ is going to be for the next few months now that you can't neural parasite a colossus unless protoss is awful. Especially when they start mixing in motherships NesTea and Coca are going to be doing a shit-load of mid-game 2/3 base all-ins to try to avoid the late game, and if they get late game, they are going to lose as well. Just watch. watch as NesTea and Coca consistently win games? I will. Idra has a terrible mindset, you dont need to be a psychologist to know this. Stop being such a fan boy. Yes, please do watch nestea and Coca win before the late game. That was his god damn point wasnt it?
So you're saying Zerg should neglect any opportunity to win in the mid game and wait for the late game?
Solid mid game play by zerg leads to terrible protoss late game. Sure, if zerg does nothing protoss is eventually going to become pretty hard to kill, it's pretty obvious right?
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On October 02 2011 12:26 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 12:23 Aocowns wrote:On October 02 2011 12:18 jmbthirteen wrote:On October 02 2011 12:16 SafeAsCheese wrote:On October 02 2011 12:14 Daralii wrote:On October 02 2011 12:13 sparklyresidue wrote:
It's really irritating to watch IdrA play... that contradiction that exists between his game knowledge and his really solid mechanics and his actual results is staggering. And it happens nearly every time, that's what is so weird, that level of predictability. I don't understand how someone can do this for a living and hit their head against the proverbial brick wall for so long... It's his mentality that's the problem. "I've been playing Starcraft for a really long time. I can't build anything I want, a-move, and win. My race is so bad, I might as well not try." Stop playing internet psychologist, please. It's realy annoying. This is what PvZ is going to be for the next few months now that you can't neural parasite a colossus unless protoss is awful. Especially when they start mixing in motherships NesTea and Coca are going to be doing a shit-load of mid-game 2/3 base all-ins to try to avoid the late game, and if they get late game, they are going to lose as well. Just watch. watch as NesTea and Coca consistently win games? I will. Idra has a terrible mindset, you dont need to be a psychologist to know this. Stop being such a fan boy. Yes, please do watch nestea and Coca win before the late game. That was his god damn point wasnt it? Well then why not win in the mid game? He had chances both games and he just sat and did nothing in game one and in game two he just shit his pants to some phoenix. Idra has been playing like shit. He needs to play like Nestea/Coca/Losira, not like what he's been doing. Staying on roach/hydra/corruptor so long is fucking stupid.
Because he is Idra. Seriously though, I really have no idea... Hope Korea forces him to all in
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I'm PRETTY sure Niagara falls is half in Canada half in the US...anybody care to clear that up?
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On October 02 2011 12:26 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 12:23 Aocowns wrote:On October 02 2011 12:18 jmbthirteen wrote:On October 02 2011 12:16 SafeAsCheese wrote:On October 02 2011 12:14 Daralii wrote:On October 02 2011 12:13 sparklyresidue wrote:
It's really irritating to watch IdrA play... that contradiction that exists between his game knowledge and his really solid mechanics and his actual results is staggering. And it happens nearly every time, that's what is so weird, that level of predictability. I don't understand how someone can do this for a living and hit their head against the proverbial brick wall for so long... It's his mentality that's the problem. "I've been playing Starcraft for a really long time. I can't build anything I want, a-move, and win. My race is so bad, I might as well not try." Stop playing internet psychologist, please. It's realy annoying. This is what PvZ is going to be for the next few months now that you can't neural parasite a colossus unless protoss is awful. Especially when they start mixing in motherships NesTea and Coca are going to be doing a shit-load of mid-game 2/3 base all-ins to try to avoid the late game, and if they get late game, they are going to lose as well. Just watch. watch as NesTea and Coca consistently win games? I will. Idra has a terrible mindset, you dont need to be a psychologist to know this. Stop being such a fan boy. Yes, please do watch nestea and Coca win before the late game. That was his god damn point wasnt it? Well then why not win in the mid game? He had chances both games and he just sat and did nothing in game one and in game two he just shit his pants to some phoenix. Idra has been playing like shit. He needs to play like Nestea/Coca/Losira, not like what he's been doing. Staying on roach/hydra/corruptor so long is fucking stupid.
Problem is Idra is exactly opposite of what sc2 Nestea/Coca/Losira are like.
Idra plays every game like BW TvZ, probably why he's really good at sc2 TvZ.
Those two matchups are probably the most similiar.
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