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On November 04 2011 22:40 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 22:39 PredY wrote:On November 04 2011 22:37 Noocta wrote:On November 04 2011 22:35 bgx wrote:turtle terran  You don't have a choice on cross position. You need to do this kind of 3base turtle into taking a middle map base with planetary and get marauder / ghost to counter what T3 they'll use to break you. You will always end up being rolled if you try to push out before zerg did the first move on a lategame scenario. good play by select. he knew dimaga was on t2 too long and just waited till he was maxed out or dimaga to attack into him (which happened) predy explain to me how tvz works~ why doesnt dimaga attack whenever he hits 200 for the first time? dont understand his reasoning
if I were to take a guess at this as a chobo zerg player I like to max as quick as possible to stay safe against any pushes while my economy is booming. Then while maxed I like to harass the living daylights out of the guy while teching to hive tech (broods or ultras) and massing upgrades. The initial 200/200 army isnt strong enough usually to attack directly into a terran base of tanks marines bunkers turrets and the works. I tend to only attack head on into the base when i get a solid number of broods out 5+
idk if this sounds stupid
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I think it depends no Zerg's T3 plan, if you get ultra / broodlord tech quick enough, you hit right at 200/200. A slower tech which comes after 200/200 doesn't really give zerg as much advantage to switch the army around, and that will mean banking for quicker remaxing.
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On November 04 2011 22:45 eGoRama wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 22:38 TT1 wrote:On November 04 2011 22:37 WaSa wrote:
SelecT is looking great. Very scary. But the question is how is his TvP? If he can take Elfi he might be the favorite to win it all. top 5 tvp (foreign + korean) Who are the other 4 
problem with Korean TvP is, we don't actually see any of it so it's hard to judge :D
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On November 04 2011 22:44 Brainiac wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 22:42 Velr wrote:Obviously it works like this: You hit 200/200 You bank money. You lose your whole army because the Terran had a building in your attack path and sniped all your stuff. You remax and hope the Ghsots are out of energy. They aren't, you lost  . I thought it was something like this: You whine about balance in Live threads You get banned Waiting for that second part.
You both are right!
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On November 04 2011 22:44 Brainiac wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 22:42 Velr wrote:Obviously it works like this: You hit 200/200 You bank money. You lose your whole army because the Terran had a building in your attack path and sniped all your stuff. You remax and hope the Ghsots are out of energy. They aren't, you lost . I thought it was something like this: You whine about balance in Live threads You get banned Waiting for that second part.
LOL Yeah that's the typical zerg BO around here.
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On November 04 2011 22:40 Xcobidoo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 22:38 TT1 wrote:
one thing that ive been noticing is that dimaga never attacks when he hits 200 for the first time, isnt that normally supposed to be the first z timing in tvz? seeing as zerg mechanics allow him to max out much quicker than the t wouldnt that always a perfect time to attack? i dont understand why he sits around for 5-10 mins more then attacks into a larger army, always thought z's strenght was to rush for like 4-5 bases w/ a good drone count, then when u hit 200 u keep sending wave after wave which eventually whittle's ur opponent down because of ur econ advantage I think you go for some eco damage right before you are maxed to get ahead in economy, then max out on infestors/broodlords and when they are eventually brought down just send in lings since your economy is ahead from those first attacks. At least that's what I see most good ZvT players do which works well
i cant see how select could have held dimagas push if dima just maxed out at 13-14mins(or w/e the standard maxout time is in tvz), attacked selects main with his muts in order to split his army out and then hit his front with all of his army
however the main problem i could see with that attack is that dimaga was sitting on 3bases so its semi allinish because if it fails hes forced to make units(in order to defend the threat of a counterattack) and then doesnt have any eco heading into the lategame, he should have his 4th base up much quicker
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that picture of idra always makes me laugh
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Wow the stream chat mods are harder then the mods here.. Pisses me off a bit tbh.
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On November 04 2011 22:45 eGoRama wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 22:38 TT1 wrote:On November 04 2011 22:37 WaSa wrote:
SelecT is looking great. Very scary. But the question is how is his TvP? If he can take Elfi he might be the favorite to win it all. top 5 tvp (foreign + korean) Who are the other 4
Polt, MKP, Bomber, someone else(maybe MVP).
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On November 04 2011 22:46 Anton K wrote:
Wow the stream chat mods are harder then the mods here.. Pisses me off a bit tbh.
Stream chat is always retarded, I'm surprised they have just turned on subscriber-only mode yet.
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On November 04 2011 22:44 TotalBiscuit wrote:
I feel it needs repeating every time a tournament doesn't have booths. Booths are NOT there to soundproof, that's not how it works. The soundproofing comes from the in-ear buds combined with the passive noise reduction provided by sealed ear protectors (usually either industrial earprotectors used on building sites or headsets used in helicopter). Booths help, but they are the least effective of the 3. Booths are to isolate the players and minimise distractions, not to block sound. You do not need booths for that.
The setup was tested and works, no players have complained about it so far and we did test it with HuK on-stage, he wasn't able to hear anything.
Maybe now people will read it and get it
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IdrA please teach everyone,how to win against turtle terran! right now!
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On November 04 2011 22:46 TT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 22:40 Xcobidoo wrote:On November 04 2011 22:38 TT1 wrote:
one thing that ive been noticing is that dimaga never attacks when he hits 200 for the first time, isnt that normally supposed to be the first z timing in tvz? seeing as zerg mechanics allow him to max out much quicker than the t wouldnt that always a perfect time to attack? i dont understand why he sits around for 5-10 mins more then attacks into a larger army, always thought z's strenght was to rush for like 4-5 bases w/ a good drone count, then when u hit 200 u keep sending wave after wave which eventually whittle's ur opponent down because of ur econ advantage I think you go for some eco damage right before you are maxed to get ahead in economy, then max out on infestors/broodlords and when they are eventually brought down just send in lings since your economy is ahead from those first attacks. At least that's what I see most good ZvT players do which works well i cant see how select could have held dimagas push if dima just maxed out at 13-14mins(or w/e the standard maxout time is in tvz), attacked selects main with his muts in order to split his army out and then hit his front with all of his army however the main problem i could see with that attack is that dimaga was sitting on 3bases so its semi allinish because if it fails hes forced to make units(in order to defend the threat of a counterattack) and then doesnt have any eco heading into the lategame, he should have his 4th base up much quicker
With no upgrades, zerg is all-in anyway.
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On November 04 2011 22:45 eGoRama wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 22:38 TT1 wrote:On November 04 2011 22:37 WaSa wrote:
SelecT is looking great. Very scary. But the question is how is his TvP? If he can take Elfi he might be the favorite to win it all. top 5 tvp (foreign + korean) Who are the other 4
polt and mvp are in there.
bomber mkp true that.
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On November 04 2011 22:47 Xcobidoo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 22:44 TotalBiscuit wrote:
I feel it needs repeating every time a tournament doesn't have booths. Booths are NOT there to soundproof, that's not how it works. The soundproofing comes from the in-ear buds combined with the passive noise reduction provided by sealed ear protectors (usually either industrial earprotectors used on building sites or headsets used in helicopter). Booths help, but they are the least effective of the 3. Booths are to isolate the players and minimise distractions, not to block sound. You do not need booths for that.
The setup was tested and works, no players have complained about it so far and we did test it with HuK on-stage, he wasn't able to hear anything. Maybe now people will read it and get it
No, they won't, they will accuse me of bias and lying to defend the tournament, while knowing nothing about sound setup themselves.
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On November 04 2011 22:47 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 22:46 Anton K wrote:
Wow the stream chat mods are harder then the mods here.. Pisses me off a bit tbh. Stream chat is always retarded, I'm surprised they have just turned on subscriber-only mode yet.
TB....♥ Your hat :D glad you bought it along with you 
Great tournament so far!
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On November 04 2011 22:45 Lorizean wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 22:45 eGoRama wrote:On November 04 2011 22:38 TT1 wrote:On November 04 2011 22:37 WaSa wrote:
SelecT is looking great. Very scary. But the question is how is his TvP? If he can take Elfi he might be the favorite to win it all. top 5 tvp (foreign + korean) Who are the other 4 problem with Korean TvP is, we don't actually see any of it so it's hard to judge :D
I guess Polt in one of them, also Bomber, but cant think about anyone else at the moment. The majority of Slayers terrans have weak TvP.
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On November 04 2011 22:46 101998 wrote:
that picture of idra always makes me laugh
He looks like Frodo with short hair on that pic
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On November 04 2011 22:47 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 22:47 Xcobidoo wrote:On November 04 2011 22:44 TotalBiscuit wrote:
I feel it needs repeating every time a tournament doesn't have booths. Booths are NOT there to soundproof, that's not how it works. The soundproofing comes from the in-ear buds combined with the passive noise reduction provided by sealed ear protectors (usually either industrial earprotectors used on building sites or headsets used in helicopter). Booths help, but they are the least effective of the 3. Booths are to isolate the players and minimise distractions, not to block sound. You do not need booths for that.
The setup was tested and works, no players have complained about it so far and we did test it with HuK on-stage, he wasn't able to hear anything. Maybe now people will read it and get it No, they won't, they will accuse me of bias and lying to defend the tournament, while knowing nothing about sound setup themselves.
It's okay, people who aren't trolls know the difference.
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On November 04 2011 22:41 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 22:38 TT1 wrote:On November 04 2011 22:37 WaSa wrote:
SelecT is looking great. Very scary. But the question is how is his TvP? If he can take Elfi he might be the favorite to win it all. top 5 tvp (foreign + korean) Yeah, actually agree with you there TT1 SeleCT is great TvP he makes some amazing timing attacks to there so good to watch always fun games. Also I dont think if he beats Elfi he will be favorite to win it all, depends who he is vs in the final, if its WhiteRa he will be favorite, if Idra or Ret i dont think he is anywhere clsoe to favorite. Idra beats him alot in ZvT as of late, Ret is the same and also has beaten him at MLGs recently. But SeleCT vs Elfi will be good due to SeleCTs amazing tactics xD
Mvp, MMA, MKP, sC definitely top 4... TheStC, ThorZaIN, Puma, Bomber... I don't know about SeleCT :\
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