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PredY
Profile Joined September 2009
Czech Republic1731 Posts
November 04 2011 13:49 GMT
#981
On November 04 2011 22:40 TT1 wrote:
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On November 04 2011 22:39 PredY wrote:
On November 04 2011 22:37 Noocta wrote:
On November 04 2011 22:35 bgx wrote:
turtle terran


You don't have a choice on cross position. You need to do this kind of 3base turtle into taking a middle map base with planetary and get marauder / ghost to counter what T3 they'll use to break you.

You will always end up being rolled if you try to push out before zerg did the first move on a lategame scenario.

good play by select. he knew dimaga was on t2 too long and just waited till he was maxed out or dimaga to attack into him (which happened)


predy explain to me how tvz works~ why doesnt dimaga attack whenever he hits 200 for the first time? dont understand his reasoning

i thought dimaga stayed on lair too long, he was maxed and had 4 bases running and had no t3 tech yet, so he was maxed but with bad army. he wanted to bank resources, which is good, but you need t3 to remax with. remaxing with ling bling isn't good anymore. he needed to harass a lot more with muta and send like 30 lings to 3rd base, lose them and get broodlords or bank a LOT for ultras, so when select pushes out to take gold, he would bypass his army and go to 3rd, lose all his stuff eventually but then remax with ultraling and then crush whatever select has remaining. (still think broodlords are better in tvz). he was too passive or too agressive, pushing into siege lines.
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Lann555
Profile Joined February 2010
Netherlands5173 Posts
November 04 2011 13:49 GMT
#982
On November 04 2011 22:47 darcevader88 wrote:
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On November 04 2011 22:45 eGoRama wrote:
On November 04 2011 22:38 TT1 wrote:
On November 04 2011 22:37 WaSa wrote:
SelecT is looking great. Very scary. But the question is how is his TvP? If he can take Elfi he might be the favorite to win it all.


top 5 tvp (foreign + korean)


Who are the other 4

polt and mvp are in there.
bomber mkp true that.



Taeja is easily as good as those 4
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Xcobidoo
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1871 Posts
November 04 2011 13:49 GMT
#983
On November 04 2011 22:46 TT1 wrote:
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On November 04 2011 22:40 Xcobidoo wrote:
On November 04 2011 22:38 TT1 wrote:
one thing that ive been noticing is that dimaga never attacks when he hits 200 for the first time, isnt that normally supposed to be the first z timing in tvz? seeing as zerg mechanics allow him to max out much quicker than the t wouldnt that always a perfect time to attack? i dont understand why he sits around for 5-10 mins more then attacks into a larger army, always thought z's strenght was to rush for like 4-5 bases w/ a good drone count, then when u hit 200 u keep sending wave after wave which eventually whittle's ur opponent down because of ur econ advantage

I think you go for some eco damage right before you are maxed to get ahead in economy, then max out on infestors/broodlords and when they are eventually brought down just send in lings since your economy is ahead from those first attacks. At least that's what I see most good ZvT players do which works well


i cant see how select could have held dimagas push if dima just maxed out at 13-14mins(or w/e the standard maxout time is in tvz), attacked selects main with his muts in order to split his army out and then hit his front with all of his army

however the main problem i could see with that attack is that dimaga was sitting on 3bases so its semi allinish because if it fails hes forced to make units(in order to defend the threat of a counterattack) and then doesnt have any eco heading into the lategame, he should have his 4th base up much quicker

When he went for the first big attack he could have done more damage with the mutas to the scv's on SeleCT's third base which would have slowed down his economy and let Dimaga have 1-2 bases up for free. A big flaw in Dimagas play is also the upgrades, low tech with mostly zerglings have the potential to just die without doing any damage.
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AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
November 04 2011 13:50 GMT
#984
On November 04 2011 22:43 Frankon wrote:
Waxangel is now 0-2 on RoG Liquibets...
So its save to say that Sjow will win vs Idra.


There's bets for that? I only have GSL and NASL.
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
JesusOurSaviour
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Arab Emirates1141 Posts
November 04 2011 13:50 GMT
#985
On November 04 2011 22:46 TT1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2011 22:40 Xcobidoo wrote:
On November 04 2011 22:38 TT1 wrote:
one thing that ive been noticing is that dimaga never attacks when he hits 200 for the first time, isnt that normally supposed to be the first z timing in tvz? seeing as zerg mechanics allow him to max out much quicker than the t wouldnt that always a perfect time to attack? i dont understand why he sits around for 5-10 mins more then attacks into a larger army, always thought z's strenght was to rush for like 4-5 bases w/ a good drone count, then when u hit 200 u keep sending wave after wave which eventually whittle's ur opponent down because of ur econ advantage

I think you go for some eco damage right before you are maxed to get ahead in economy, then max out on infestors/broodlords and when they are eventually brought down just send in lings since your economy is ahead from those first attacks. At least that's what I see most good ZvT players do which works well


i cant see how select could have held dimagas push if dima just maxed out at 13-14mins(or w/e the standard maxout time is in tvz), attacked selects main with his muts in order to split his army out and then hit his front with all of his army

however the main problem i could see with that attack is that dimaga was sitting on 3bases so its semi allinish because if it fails hes forced to make units(in order to defend the threat of a counterattack) and then doesnt have any eco heading into the lategame, he should have his 4th base up much quicker
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Diavlo
Profile Joined July 2011
Belgium2915 Posts
November 04 2011 13:50 GMT
#986
On November 04 2011 22:47 antilyon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2011 22:45 eGoRama wrote:
On November 04 2011 22:38 TT1 wrote:
On November 04 2011 22:37 WaSa wrote:
SelecT is looking great. Very scary. But the question is how is his TvP? If he can take Elfi he might be the favorite to win it all.


top 5 tvp (foreign + korean)


Who are the other 4

Polt, MKP, Bomber, someone else(maybe MVP).

MKP' PvT kinda sucks.

Bomber, Puma, MVP Polt and select are pretty damn good.
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
November 04 2011 13:50 GMT
#987
On November 04 2011 22:48 Xpace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2011 22:41 Pandemona wrote:
On November 04 2011 22:38 TT1 wrote:
On November 04 2011 22:37 WaSa wrote:
SelecT is looking great. Very scary. But the question is how is his TvP? If he can take Elfi he might be the favorite to win it all.


top 5 tvp (foreign + korean)



Yeah, actually agree with you there TT1

SeleCT is great TvP he makes some amazing timing attacks to there so good to watch always fun games. Also I dont think if he beats Elfi he will be favorite to win it all, depends who he is vs in the final, if its WhiteRa he will be favorite, if Idra or Ret i dont think he is anywhere clsoe to favorite.

Idra beats him alot in ZvT as of late, Ret is the same and also has beaten him at MLGs recently.

But SeleCT vs Elfi will be good due to SeleCTs amazing tactics xD


Mvp, MMA, MKP, sC definitely top 4... TheStC, ThorZaIN, Puma, Bomber... I don't know about SeleCT :\



He is on about TvP bro...Puma is best in world TvP no? Beats MC every time so far? Recently ThorZain has lost to MC in MLGs twice or maybe just the once in TvP so maybe Puma - Thorzain - x - x - Select so far according to TT1? rofl xD
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darcevader88
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada648 Posts
November 04 2011 13:50 GMT
#988
On November 04 2011 22:49 Lann555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2011 22:47 darcevader88 wrote:
On November 04 2011 22:45 eGoRama wrote:
On November 04 2011 22:38 TT1 wrote:
On November 04 2011 22:37 WaSa wrote:
SelecT is looking great. Very scary. But the question is how is his TvP? If he can take Elfi he might be the favorite to win it all.


top 5 tvp (foreign + korean)


Who are the other 4

polt and mvp are in there.
bomber mkp true that.



Taeja is easily as good as those 4

the other guys are just more proven for now, though i agree taeja has UNBELIEVABLY good tvp
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TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10104 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-04 13:50:53
November 04 2011 13:50 GMT
#989
On November 04 2011 22:45 eGoRama wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2011 22:38 TT1 wrote:
On November 04 2011 22:37 WaSa wrote:
SelecT is looking great. Very scary. But the question is how is his TvP? If he can take Elfi he might be the favorite to win it all.


top 5 tvp (foreign + korean)


Who are the other 4


mvp mma bomber + puma/ganzi/ryung/sc/polt/taeja... hmm now that i think about it hes prob not top 5 : D but hes still sick nonetheless, def his strongest mu
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Xcobidoo
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1871 Posts
November 04 2011 13:50 GMT
#990
On November 04 2011 22:50 AlternativeEgo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2011 22:43 Frankon wrote:
Waxangel is now 0-2 on RoG Liquibets...
So its save to say that Sjow will win vs Idra.


There's bets for that? I only have GSL and NASL.

He's referring to the preview that he made on ASUS ROG, check it out in the featured news
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m0s1n0
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany575 Posts
November 04 2011 13:51 GMT
#991
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Extended Interview with the ASUS ROG Stars Invite Main organizer Petri Hämälä about the Assembly Summer, the ongoing Invite and eSport in Finnland

Attention: The interview consits of two pages!
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Packawana
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1081 Posts
November 04 2011 13:52 GMT
#992
As much as TL hates him for it, PuMa has shown quite well that his TvP is one of the top in the world.
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flokk
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany11 Posts
November 04 2011 13:52 GMT
#993
is the next match in ~8 minutes?
Quintum_
Profile Joined May 2011
United States669 Posts
November 04 2011 13:52 GMT
#994
On November 04 2011 22:48 clusen wrote:
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On November 04 2011 22:46 101998 wrote:
that picture of idra always makes me laugh

He looks like Frodo with short hair on that pic


How old is that pic, that seems like old skinny idra before he he hit the gym with incontrol. Could just be the way the editing of the pic is though.
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Arcanne
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1519 Posts
November 04 2011 13:52 GMT
#995
WHAT THE HUK?! ugh. Lose to Elfi TT
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eGoRama
Profile Joined July 2011
Bulgaria1542 Posts
November 04 2011 13:52 GMT
#996
On November 04 2011 22:50 TT1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2011 22:45 eGoRama wrote:
On November 04 2011 22:38 TT1 wrote:
On November 04 2011 22:37 WaSa wrote:
SelecT is looking great. Very scary. But the question is how is his TvP? If he can take Elfi he might be the favorite to win it all.


top 5 tvp (foreign + korean)


Who are the other 4


mvp mma bomber + puma/ganzi/ryung/sc/polt/taeja... hmm now that i think about it hes prob not top 5 : D but hes still sick nonetheless, def his strongest mu


True that, although not sure about MMA. But if we speak of vP I would take Inca anyday
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
November 04 2011 13:53 GMT
#997
On November 04 2011 22:52 flokk wrote:
is the next match in ~8 minutes?



Yeah Yeah every hour! xD
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sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11062 Posts
November 04 2011 13:54 GMT
#998
as an aside, odds for the remaining matches:

idra 1.211, sjow 4.710
white-ra 2.49, ret 1.571
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AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
November 04 2011 13:54 GMT
#999
On November 04 2011 22:50 Xcobidoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2011 22:50 AlternativeEgo wrote:
On November 04 2011 22:43 Frankon wrote:
Waxangel is now 0-2 on RoG Liquibets...
So its save to say that Sjow will win vs Idra.


There's bets for that? I only have GSL and NASL.

He's referring to the preview that he made on ASUS ROG, check it out in the featured news


Oh, ok. Thanks, I was afraid that I was missing out on the action. ^^
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
Luk_e
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany550 Posts
November 04 2011 13:55 GMT
#1000
On November 04 2011 22:54 sixfour wrote:
as an aside, odds for the remaining matches:

idra 1.211, sjow 4.710
white-ra 2.49, ret 1.571

is it really that unlikely sjow can win this?
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