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SuperFanBoy
Profile Joined June 2011
New Zealand1068 Posts
September 27 2011 11:04 GMT
#1201
On September 27 2011 20:03 9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 20:01 Maghetti wrote:
On September 27 2011 19:59 Pajegetc wrote:
On September 27 2011 19:58 cENTRYZ wrote:
On September 27 2011 19:57 Pajegetc wrote:
On September 27 2011 19:57 Grettin wrote:
Son of a bitch.. July had 2-0 in the bags but... fucking..


No he didn't

Yes, he did.


Take off your Zerg Bias glasses and you'll see, no he didn't.

He did. He killed like a 3rd of the army of Ganzi, all his econ, he just had to hold an allin. He made some mistakes but he had that game won. I am a big Ganzi fan but he was fucking dead in that game and July would have advanced 2-0.


you said it yourself. HE MADE SOME MISTAKES.
you can't make mistakes when holding an all-in


It wasn't an all in.. he held it, but the mules recovered him.. Terran is never all in.. the only time terran is all in is when all their CC's are dead.
snafoo
Profile Joined August 2010
New Zealand1615 Posts
September 27 2011 11:04 GMT
#1202
On September 27 2011 20:02 Clefairy wrote:
It's too bad HuK had to play before the patch. If he'd played with the range buff for the Immortal we would have had at least 1 Protoss in the Ro16...


what he lost to virus in a macro game.......
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 11:06:55
September 27 2011 11:04 GMT
#1203
On September 27 2011 20:03 Rayansaki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 20:02 Grettin wrote:
On September 27 2011 20:00 Rayansaki wrote:
On September 27 2011 19:58 cENTRYZ wrote:
On September 27 2011 19:57 Pajegetc wrote:
On September 27 2011 19:57 Grettin wrote:
Son of a bitch.. July had 2-0 in the bags but... fucking..


No he didn't

Yes, he did.


Not really. He never had the game won vs Ganzi, he was up twice the supply but it was mostly in drones and mutas while Ganzi had massive marines. The only way july would win that is if ganzi just went back and turtled, but he didnt.


If July would have made some banelings instead of running his ling army, the game would have been different. Not to mention when July lost all his Drones and gave the huge advantage back.


You mean instead of running by which was the part that got him to twice the supply? Or instead of running them into ganzi's army AFTER ganzi killed his baneling nest?


After the huge counter attack of course. He still had the baneling nest if i'm not horribly mistaken, instead he sent his lings and couple mutas to fight the last marines Ganzi had.

E: i seriously need to watch the vod again.. -_-
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Supercilium
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden308 Posts
September 27 2011 11:05 GMT
#1204
I'm getting really tired of artosis, used to be a big fan but nowadays he sounds so condescending.
Pajegetc
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3158 Posts
September 27 2011 11:05 GMT
#1205
On September 27 2011 20:01 Maghetti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 19:59 Pajegetc wrote:
On September 27 2011 19:58 cENTRYZ wrote:
On September 27 2011 19:57 Pajegetc wrote:
On September 27 2011 19:57 Grettin wrote:
Son of a bitch.. July had 2-0 in the bags but... fucking..


No he didn't

Yes, he did.


Take off your Zerg Bias glasses and you'll see, no he didn't.

He did. He killed like a 3rd of the army of Ganzi, all his econ, he just had to hold an allin. He made some mistakes but he had that game won. I am a big Ganzi fan but he was fucking dead in that game and July would have advanced 2-0.


... The third of his army that cleaned up his attack at his main, while the rest of Ganzi army killed July Third then Counterattacked and killed most of July's Drones. Again, Drones are not fighting units. You do not win if you get 200/200 of drones. Ganzi had the bigger army with a weak economy. July had economy but no army. Person with the better army(or that actually has an army) tend to win.
Lose Early game - Cheese. Lose Mid Game - All Ined. Lose Late Game - OMG IMBALANCE. My Guide to Zerg LR.
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
September 27 2011 11:05 GMT
#1206
On September 27 2011 20:04 MrCon wrote:
I just opened a [image loading] to compensate for the not very good games.

GSL is starting to cost me a lot of money !


I've just started doing work again. GSL increasing my productivity
"These guys are mindfucking me into a sex coma" | "Mayonnaise is a must-have lubricant when performing necrophilia"
SuperFanBoy
Profile Joined June 2011
New Zealand1068 Posts
September 27 2011 11:06 GMT
#1207
On September 27 2011 20:05 Supercilium wrote:
I'm getting really tired of artosis, used to be a big fan but nowadays he sounds so condescending.


yea, on top of that he was talking about how july played bad for making mutas and lings against marines instead of banelings.. when july didn't even have baneling nest because Ganzi had killed it.
Yaki
Profile Joined April 2011
France4234 Posts
September 27 2011 11:06 GMT
#1208
Sloppy last game zvz but glad losira advances. (I hope Genius advances so that there's one protoss in the ro16)
MC ■ MarineKing ■ LosirA ■ To someone who has lost after trying his best, no words from the winner can console him.
Subversive
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2229 Posts
September 27 2011 11:06 GMT
#1209
On September 27 2011 20:04 Rayansaki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 20:03 Subversive wrote:
On September 27 2011 20:00 Rayansaki wrote:
On September 27 2011 19:58 cENTRYZ wrote:
On September 27 2011 19:57 Pajegetc wrote:
On September 27 2011 19:57 Grettin wrote:
Son of a bitch.. July had 2-0 in the bags but... fucking..


No he didn't

Yes, he did.


Not really. He never had the game won vs Ganzi, he was up twice the supply but it was mostly in drones and mutas while Ganzi had massive marines. The only way july would win that is if ganzi just went back and turtled, but he didnt.

Hey dude, what's with your sig? The fourth horsemen is Pestilence. War and Conquest seems like your doubling up.


Depends on the mythology, the 4th horseman was originally conquest, Pestilence is a more modern interpretation. Conquest is not the same as war.

Really? I didn't know that oO. Thanks
#1 Great fan ~ // Khan // FlaSh // JangBi // EffOrt //
Onox
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1072 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 11:07:09
September 27 2011 11:07 GMT
#1210
I liked the other intro more
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
September 27 2011 11:07 GMT
#1211
On September 27 2011 20:06 SuperFanBoy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 20:05 Supercilium wrote:
I'm getting really tired of artosis, used to be a big fan but nowadays he sounds so condescending.


yea, on top of that he was talking about how july played bad for making mutas and lings against marines instead of banelings.. when july didn't even have baneling nest because Ganzi had killed it.

Pretty sure he was talking in retrospect, or just as it died iirc.
Demonace34
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2493 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-27 11:07:34
September 27 2011 11:07 GMT
#1212
On September 27 2011 20:05 Supercilium wrote:
I'm getting really tired of artosis, used to be a big fan but nowadays he sounds so condescending.


After watching those games, I don't blame him. We've seen better games from these players.
NaNiwa|IdrA|HuK|iNcontroL|Jinro|NonY|Day[9]|PuMa|HerO|MMA|NesTea|NaDa|Boxer|Ryung|
SuperFanBoy
Profile Joined June 2011
New Zealand1068 Posts
September 27 2011 11:07 GMT
#1213
On September 27 2011 20:05 Pajegetc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 20:01 Maghetti wrote:
On September 27 2011 19:59 Pajegetc wrote:
On September 27 2011 19:58 cENTRYZ wrote:
On September 27 2011 19:57 Pajegetc wrote:
On September 27 2011 19:57 Grettin wrote:
Son of a bitch.. July had 2-0 in the bags but... fucking..


No he didn't

Yes, he did.


Take off your Zerg Bias glasses and you'll see, no he didn't.

He did. He killed like a 3rd of the army of Ganzi, all his econ, he just had to hold an allin. He made some mistakes but he had that game won. I am a big Ganzi fan but he was fucking dead in that game and July would have advanced 2-0.


... The third of his army that cleaned up his attack at his main, while the rest of Ganzi army killed July Third then Counterattacked and killed most of July's Drones. Again, Drones are not fighting units. You do not win if you get 200/200 of drones. Ganzi had the bigger army with a weak economy. July had economy but no army. Person with the better army(or that actually has an army) tend to win.


Ganzi had no army, he had 6 marines.. however he CC's and muled like crazy for another army.
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
September 27 2011 11:07 GMT
#1214
On September 27 2011 20:01 Zooper31 wrote:
Really Artosis? Really? Did you have to say that phrase...

Show nested quote +
"I usually wear a cape at home while I'm naked"


Awesome I get to sleep thinking about a naked Artosis in his apartment with guinea pigs wearing a cape.

Dammit, why did I have to read your post? Now I too am infected with the thought of naked Artosis in a cape with his menagerie of guinea pigs and other animals.

Anyways, I might go to sleep right now. I was hoping that the first group would have better games because of Losira and July, but I guess I might have to wait for future matches for the better games.
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
Tulkas25
Profile Joined August 2011
Greece292 Posts
September 27 2011 11:08 GMT
#1215
i dont know..day after day gsl feels less crowded..less passionate...less of everything.
What happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object?
Maghetti
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2429 Posts
September 27 2011 11:08 GMT
#1216
On September 27 2011 20:03 9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 20:01 Maghetti wrote:
On September 27 2011 19:59 Pajegetc wrote:
On September 27 2011 19:58 cENTRYZ wrote:
On September 27 2011 19:57 Pajegetc wrote:
On September 27 2011 19:57 Grettin wrote:
Son of a bitch.. July had 2-0 in the bags but... fucking..


No he didn't

Yes, he did.


Take off your Zerg Bias glasses and you'll see, no he didn't.

He did. He killed like a 3rd of the army of Ganzi, all his econ, he just had to hold an allin. He made some mistakes but he had that game won. I am a big Ganzi fan but he was fucking dead in that game and July would have advanced 2-0.


you said it yourself. HE MADE SOME MISTAKES.
you can't make mistakes when holding an all-in

You actually can, depending on the allin. When someone has no choice but to attack and win like Ganzi was in, he was not executing a timing attack where he knew he had an advantage, he was just attacking because he had no other choice. Many games end like that vs a zerg. July did make some mistakes. I would have preferred he did something like stall or counter attack while getting a baneling nest and some banes up. Ganzi advanced not on his own skill but a slip up by July in a awkward situation. I love Ganzi but he didn't deserve that advancement, at least not in that game.
Fear219
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom168 Posts
September 27 2011 11:08 GMT
#1217
On September 27 2011 20:03 Subversive wrote:
Hey dude, what's with your sig? The fourth horsemen is Pestilence. War and Conquest seems like your doubling up.


There are 2 different beliefs about the four horsemen.

One is Death/Famine/War/Pestilence and the other is Death/Famine/War/Conquest.

It depends on the religious faith which is correct for you. Im not religious but i've always thought of the four as D/F/W/P.
SuperFanBoy
Profile Joined June 2011
New Zealand1068 Posts
September 27 2011 11:09 GMT
#1218
On September 27 2011 20:08 Tulkas25 wrote:
i dont know..day after day gsl feels less crowded..less passionate...less of everything.

Terran is killing e sports, this is a statistical fact.
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
September 27 2011 11:10 GMT
#1219
On September 27 2011 20:02 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2011 19:55 fant0m wrote:
On September 27 2011 19:45 Big J wrote:
On September 27 2011 19:42 Lysanias wrote:
On September 27 2011 19:40 Big J wrote:
On September 27 2011 19:40 Lysanias wrote:
On September 27 2011 19:38 MilesTeg wrote:
Such a BM move by Losira, making Hydras...


Ye ... they are not good against stargate and stalkers, what a bm ...


nope they aren't against stalkers as seen... Zerglings are!


euh they are, zerglings are the distraction.


blink stalker beats pure hydra, you need zerglings for the extra dps and hp... And even then hungun was holding with pure blink stalker against way bigger zerg armies.
I don't know how you can say hydra/ling is good against blink stalkers, when HongUn held like 3 attacks, until he got eventually overrun by 5base (one in gold) zerg economy, while not even fully saturating his 3bases...


wat? -.-

I don't understand where people like you come from.

The only reason Hongun was winning those fights is because Losira was fighting with half his army in every single engagement.

Stop staring at the supply count and look at the units that are actually on the screen. There were like 40 stalkers vs. like 20 Hydras AND the stalkers had a better concave every time. And they still barely won each time.

And it's also extremely stupid to say that Losira was on "5 base" as if anyone ever saturates 5 bases, the 5th base had come up more than 2 minutes before the game ended, and the 4th base (gold) had gone up before there had already been several gigantic fights to a standstill.


Where I come from is above each of my posts!
Stalkers are 1.5times as big as hydralisks, they naturally have a bigger concave - which doesn't make it better, as they need this concave to have equal amounts of units in the battle (yet through blink good players will always have those).
HongUn never had like 40stalkers in the game, because he was around 100 supply, through the whole "combat phase", which means he had like 20-30stalkers.
I don't understand how people still think hydralisks counter stalkers... Go to ANY unit tester out there, and make equal armies, and then do a little bit of blink micro... Stalkers crush hydras there. It gets way better with zerglings (which are hardcounters to stalkers), but as long as you can abuse terrain, blink stalkers will still come out on top...


Yes theory your correct, but my point is Hongun's blink was shit, so it does make hydra's a counter not to the unit but to the player.
That is why i do not believe in hard counters so easily.
Seditary
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia7033 Posts
September 27 2011 11:10 GMT
#1220
Well there we go, Sage is jinxed.
Love is more fun than hate.
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