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zyzq
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3123 Posts
September 21 2011 11:00 GMT
#1381
gogo Nada
fant0m
Profile Joined May 2010
964 Posts
September 21 2011 11:00 GMT
#1382
On September 21 2011 19:59 jackdaleaper wrote:
I don't play T but... was that mistake actually GG worthy?


We missed hellions finishing off Keen's wall I'm pretty sure (remember that depot at 30% health?). BFH's were killing his SCVs AND he lost his army AND he was down an orbital.
gladsheim
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia676 Posts
September 21 2011 11:01 GMT
#1383
On September 21 2011 20:00 juicyjames wrote:
It looks like both Clide and NaDa remain the only two players to never have been to the Up & Down Matches so far.


ensnare too i think
Oboeman
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3980 Posts
September 21 2011 11:01 GMT
#1384
On September 21 2011 19:59 jackdaleaper wrote:
I don't play T but... was that mistake actually GG worthy?


keen was basically doing a one-base all in. he still hadn't built a CC. he had to do crippling damage. he did zero.

plus mma's hellions burned down the depot wall and had gotten into his base.
roymarthyup
Profile Joined April 2010
1442 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-21 11:02:14
September 21 2011 11:01 GMT
#1385
On September 21 2011 19:57 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 19:52 roymarthyup wrote:
On September 21 2011 19:50 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On September 21 2011 19:48 roymarthyup wrote:
NADA WOULD HAVE WON if he split his thors




i wouldnt consider nesteas play "unbeatable". nada would have simply won if he didnt make a mistake


TvZ is very unforgivable make 1 mistake you lose. for zerg the real only "mistake" they can make is attacking into a line of sieged tanks before they have broodlords,

for terran the mistakes they can make is nut unclumping units vs banelings and attacking banelings without sieging ur tanks

no actually he wouldn't have won that game even if he survived that. As long as nestea gets rid of the helions his production is so good that he can pump out a billion lings before the thors actually pose a threat to one of his expansions and he just kills him anyway.



wrong. all those banelings would have killed maybe 5 thors if nada had not clumped them up, and the hellions can run back to be safe and kill lings



nestea would have lost that game if nada had split his thors.

dont expect to counter thors with banelings if the terran is smart and splits his army apart. just warning you zergs out there if you expect to counter thor builds with banelings your going to be depressed when you meet a good terran


So he's gonna have to micro his thors INCREDIBLY well ALL the way across the map? Nestea did a flank, no helion was ever going to survive that. Did you see the creep spread? Nestea had so much room to work with it was ridiculous and Nada still had an ocean to go across to actually do anything to nestea. You can't instant split like marine tank.


the creep spread is meaningless. thors will be spread pre-fight. hellions outrun banelings on creep


its not hard to micro thors. split them apart in a checkerboard formation, a-move them, then press hold position if you want to stop in a location (instead of having all thors bunching up together), and continue. if the enemy engages your thors you attackmove then if you see banelings coming make the back thors move back slightly and you will have a very nice thor-spread


it is NOT hard to spread thors vs banelings as you attack-move across the map. its very easy micro to be honest. . very easy micro



the proper thor splitting that would have allowed nada to win that game is very easy micro. i dont know why he didnt do it, probably was stressed and concentrating elsewhere on the map but seriously the micro is so easy it only takes a little bit attention to make it happen
cablesc
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1540 Posts
September 21 2011 11:01 GMT
#1386
Keen was in a hurry. He was about to meet up with idra and complain about MMA and make fun of Fantasy.
Slayers Forever! Rip. :( - Not the eSports organizer, that's CableStarcraft.
dukem
Profile Joined January 2011
Norway189 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-21 11:01:52
September 21 2011 11:01 GMT
#1387
Nada, this is your time. You chose MMA!

GOGO
"Flash just accidentally killed grubby lol" - MangoMountain
Clefairy
Profile Joined September 2011
1570 Posts
September 21 2011 11:01 GMT
#1388
On September 21 2011 19:59 jackdaleaper wrote:
I don't play T but... was that mistake actually GG worthy?

From what I could see on the pixely minimap, I think MMA's hellions got into Keen's base and were killing SCVs.
TYJ.Aoy
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil1265 Posts
September 21 2011 11:01 GMT
#1389
On September 21 2011 19:57 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 19:52 roymarthyup wrote:
On September 21 2011 19:50 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On September 21 2011 19:48 roymarthyup wrote:
NADA WOULD HAVE WON if he split his thors




i wouldnt consider nesteas play "unbeatable". nada would have simply won if he didnt make a mistake


TvZ is very unforgivable make 1 mistake you lose. for zerg the real only "mistake" they can make is attacking into a line of sieged tanks before they have broodlords,

for terran the mistakes they can make is nut unclumping units vs banelings and attacking banelings without sieging ur tanks

no actually he wouldn't have won that game even if he survived that. As long as nestea gets rid of the helions his production is so good that he can pump out a billion lings before the thors actually pose a threat to one of his expansions and he just kills him anyway.



wrong. all those banelings would have killed maybe 5 thors if nada had not clumped them up, and the hellions can run back to be safe and kill lings



nestea would have lost that game if nada had split his thors.

dont expect to counter thors with banelings if the terran is smart and splits his army apart. just warning you zergs out there if you expect to counter thor builds with banelings your going to be depressed when you meet a good terran


So he's gonna have to micro his thors INCREDIBLY well ALL the way across the map? Nestea did a flank, no helion was ever going to survive that. Did you see the creep spread? Nestea had so much room to work with it was ridiculous and Nada still had an ocean to go across to actually do anything to nestea. You can't instant split like marine tank.
Thing is, there was no need for instant splitting, nada could've even flanked with a couple thors from the far right and danced his scvs while at it, there were no lings to do anything about it
Maghetti
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2429 Posts
September 21 2011 11:01 GMT
#1390
Keen to nada "I'm blasting off agaiiiiiiiin!"
jackdaleaper
Profile Joined September 2010
Philippines1216 Posts
September 21 2011 11:01 GMT
#1391
On September 21 2011 20:00 fant0m wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 19:59 jackdaleaper wrote:
I don't play T but... was that mistake actually GG worthy?


We missed hellions finishing off Keen's wall I'm pretty sure (remember that depot at 30% health?). BFH's were killing his SCVs AND he lost his army AND he was down an orbital.


Ahh I see thanks. Wasn't watching the game that closely, I just tuned in time to see Keen lose vikings and then instantly GG and I was like wtf???
Dragonmaster26
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia311 Posts
September 21 2011 11:02 GMT
#1392
On September 21 2011 20:01 gladsheim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 20:00 juicyjames wrote:
It looks like both Clide and NaDa remain the only two players to never have been to the Up & Down Matches so far.


ensnare too i think


Nah he's been in them during January and May.
theherder2
Profile Joined September 2010
United States538 Posts
September 21 2011 11:02 GMT
#1393
On September 21 2011 19:59 jackdaleaper wrote:
I don't play T but... was that mistake actually GG worthy?


His whole strategy was sky terran. More vikings, and then a banshee to clean ground. When he GG'ed, he lost his air advantage by not knowing about MMA's vikings, the BFH made his way into his base with no defenses, he was down 30 supply vs 60, and he had no expansion while MMA did. Pretty clear cut gg.
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
September 21 2011 11:02 GMT
#1394
Keen didn't want to play MMA. He just wanted to play Nada and saw no point in playing anymore.

MMA will now beat Nada because he doesn't get eliminated till he meets Polt. It's in the GSL Rule Book alongside Nada always beats Keen, MVP always beats Nestea, and everyone forgetting Killer and Virus are still in the GSL.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
gladsheim
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia676 Posts
September 21 2011 11:02 GMT
#1395
On September 21 2011 20:02 Dragonmaster26 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 20:01 gladsheim wrote:
On September 21 2011 20:00 juicyjames wrote:
It looks like both Clide and NaDa remain the only two players to never have been to the Up & Down Matches so far.


ensnare too i think


Nah he's been in them during January and May.


ah my mistake
theBALLS
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Singapore2935 Posts
September 21 2011 11:02 GMT
#1396
is patch 1.4 up in KR?
If you lose the stick, you'll always have theBALLS.
juicyjames *
Profile Joined August 2011
United States3815 Posts
September 21 2011 11:02 GMT
#1397
On September 21 2011 20:01 gladsheim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 20:00 juicyjames wrote:
It looks like both Clide and NaDa remain the only two players to never have been to the Up & Down Matches so far.


ensnare too i think

Ensnare was in the Up & Down Matches for GSL January.

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_Sony_Ericsson_Global_StarCraft_II_League_January/Code_S#Group_G_.26_H
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iky43210
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2099 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-21 11:04:04
September 21 2011 11:02 GMT
#1398
On September 21 2011 20:01 roymarthyup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 21 2011 19:57 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On September 21 2011 19:52 roymarthyup wrote:
On September 21 2011 19:50 Itsmedudeman wrote:
On September 21 2011 19:48 roymarthyup wrote:
NADA WOULD HAVE WON if he split his thors




i wouldnt consider nesteas play "unbeatable". nada would have simply won if he didnt make a mistake


TvZ is very unforgivable make 1 mistake you lose. for zerg the real only "mistake" they can make is attacking into a line of sieged tanks before they have broodlords,

for terran the mistakes they can make is nut unclumping units vs banelings and attacking banelings without sieging ur tanks

no actually he wouldn't have won that game even if he survived that. As long as nestea gets rid of the helions his production is so good that he can pump out a billion lings before the thors actually pose a threat to one of his expansions and he just kills him anyway.



wrong. all those banelings would have killed maybe 5 thors if nada had not clumped them up, and the hellions can run back to be safe and kill lings



nestea would have lost that game if nada had split his thors.

dont expect to counter thors with banelings if the terran is smart and splits his army apart. just warning you zergs out there if you expect to counter thor builds with banelings your going to be depressed when you meet a good terran


So he's gonna have to micro his thors INCREDIBLY well ALL the way across the map? Nestea did a flank, no helion was ever going to survive that. Did you see the creep spread? Nestea had so much room to work with it was ridiculous and Nada still had an ocean to go across to actually do anything to nestea. You can't instant split like marine tank.


the creep spread is meaningless. thors will be spread pre-fight. hellions outrun banelings on creep


its not hard to micro thors. split them apart in a checkerboard formation, a-move them, then press hold position if you want to stop in a location (instead of having all thors bunching up together), and continue. if the enemy engages your thors you attackmove then if you see banelings coming make the back thors move back slightly and you will have a very nice thor-spread


it is NOT hard to spread thors vs banelings as you attack-move across the map. its very easy micro to be honest. . very easy micro



the proper thor splitting that would have allowed nada to win that game is very easy micro. i dont know why he didnt do it, probably was stressed and concentrating elsewhere on the map but seriously the micro is so easy it only takes a little bit attention to make it happen


that battle would have better result, but nada still wouldn't win. Did you see how big of an army left over there was?

If we want to talk hypothetically, if thors were split, banelings would be chasing hellions while lings/mutas finish off the thors. Since the thors are not clumped, lings would have amazing surface area on all the thors while hellions are off the map trying to escape banelings
jackdaleaper
Profile Joined September 2010
Philippines1216 Posts
September 21 2011 11:02 GMT
#1399
On September 21 2011 20:02 theBALLS wrote:
is patch 1.4 up in KR?


Tomorrow
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
September 21 2011 11:03 GMT
#1400
On September 21 2011 20:02 theBALLS wrote:
is patch 1.4 up in KR?


No.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
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