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Ill break combo of whining about TvP and just say for 100th time:
GSL PLEASE ADD SEEDING SYSTEM. This is geting ridic again like last season, and other times before. They want special finals this GSL? GJ at pulling effort (not) to do so. I mean , how hard can it be to seed them, im sick of this kind of stacked halfs... And as someone said, MMA actualy proffits from loosing from Nestea, he gets in easier side of bracket...that is just ridiculous....
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On September 21 2011 20:51 doko100 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 20:47 Teoita wrote:On September 21 2011 20:46 doko100 wrote: 1 collossus and he kills all the marines no problem -_-
was just bad play by huk, there was no need to build stalkers, terran had no air and he knew it, if he spends his gas on collossi instead of immortals and stalkers he wins the game ezpz Jeesus christ stop saying that. THE COLOSSI DONT COME OUT IN TIME, PERIOD. thats nonsense, he could have easily had 2 collossi by the time the second attack hit, he just had to build zealots instead of stalkers and then he has enough gas to afford robotics bay and collossi
What you dont see to understand is that if tried to get colossus, he would ve died to the first push.
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On September 21 2011 20:47 Qikz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 20:46 Alric wrote:On September 21 2011 20:44 AXygnus wrote: Wow.
Wow.
Sorry for the balance whine and all, BUT THIS
SHOULDN'T.
WORK. WHEN THE FIRST ALLIN FAILS, YOU SHOULD AUTOMATICALLY LOSE, OR IF NOT, YOU SHOULD WORK YOUR ASS NOT TO DIE. Exactly. The fundamental terran mechanic means there's no such thing as a terran all-in. Plus SCVs have an imba amount of hitpoints. What? SCVs have the same amount of hit points as the other workers and lose in a worker 1v1 to both of them. Not true. Drones and probes have 40, SCVs have 45. It's even for drones vs scvs because drones heal 1 hp during the fight.
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just remove colossi and give to protoss some decent gateway units to fight early...
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On September 21 2011 20:52 MagickMan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 20:51 Kewlots wrote:On September 21 2011 20:50 MagickMan wrote:On September 21 2011 20:48 Kewlots wrote:On September 21 2011 20:45 izgodlee wrote:On September 21 2011 20:44 snotboogie wrote: If the patch hit today, those immortals kill those siege tanks and Huk wins that game. Wow. not even close yeah wasnt the tank was da marines if it was 1.4 he would kill the tanks without having to sac his stalkers into the marines trying to kill the last tank because the immortals already kill it, where you not watching? yeah but at the point where he tried to get the last tank it was over anyway it 5 stalkers to 30 marines Never seen huk micro stalkers? haha still he sacked his probes to try hold that while virus still has mules to reinforce it was over
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You can't get colossus with thermal lance up in time in those positions. And if you don't have lance, the tanks just defend the marines against the short range colossi. This is why huk canceled the robo tech.
To be honest, TvP games where the terran 1-1-1's are deathly boring and just anger inducing.
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On September 21 2011 20:50 poorcloud wrote: Why all the whine, huk could have won that if he just kept his immortals at the 3rd and flanked when virus attacked. He was floating like 300 gas so he cld have made 3 sentries and blocked the marines (you need sentries to hold)
The more such all ins i watch, the closer i feel that protosses can hold it.(Refer to mkp vs jyp in up and down and how jyp held the 1st push despite losing like 10 probes to hellions)
The required skills to hold it are going to become apparent to these pros soon enough, and this all in style of terran will go out of flavour soon.
oh yea and if a marine or medivac or something happens to scout them and take them out for free what are people gonna say then?
its easy saying what he should have done once hes lost -_-
HuK was too cocky after the first game, and forgot terran had mules, so even if he defended that first 'all in' well he wasnt ahead as much as he thought
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On September 21 2011 20:52 -y0shi- wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 20:49 -y0shi- wrote: Could any1 tell me what happened in the huk game? I thought it started 20 minutes ago? How can it be over already? Anyone? Please?
HuK got Allined. 3 Rax 1 Factory Marine/Siege Tanks. He held the first push, but then messed up a little bit (lost some units without doing damage) and couldn't hold the second push (Virus brought all of his SCVs).
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On September 21 2011 20:52 -y0shi- wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 20:49 -y0shi- wrote: Could any1 tell me what happened in the huk game? I thought it started 20 minutes ago? How can it be over already? Anyone? Please?
Double allin into victory for Virus. Tanks and marines + scvs and a few hellions.
Huk went sentry zealot and quick obs + stalker + immo. Then almost went collo, cancelled, almost went expo, cancelled, then got allinned and microed a tad bit bad.
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On September 21 2011 20:48 Darkong wrote: I have to ask through, why was he making a twilight council after that first push failed? Surely a robotics support bay would have been better to get a colossus or two since Virus lost so many scvs in that first push that he had no choice but to all-in again (or he would have just lost in a long game), I think Huk made a mistake in his choice there.
he had many stalkers left, i guess he wanted to get blink in order to kite and delay the second wave of all-in
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On September 21 2011 20:52 izgodlee wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 20:46 KimJongChill wrote:On September 21 2011 20:45 Demoe wrote:On September 21 2011 20:44 Crazycraft wrote: Wow, Huk is such a bad player. He's a much better player than Virus. Do you realize how easy it is to pull off these Terran all ins? So broken. The player who made less mistakes won. OH losing your whole first push army isn't a mistake. letting a pylon be built in your base isnt a mistake. but mismicroing for 2 seconds is a game changing loss inducing mistake. sounds fair brah.
Well I guess quantifying mistakes factors in the significance of the decisions. It all boiled down to that last engagement.
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On September 21 2011 20:53 MetalSlug wrote: words can not describe how much i hate TL.net these days.
Absolutly everything is All-in. SCV builds rax -> RAX ALL IN!
People jump to conclusions over Gossip posts and change sides like underwear....
LR Threads have more Balance whine than the designated Balance whine Thread...
Please TL admins do something before its to late
Pretty sure pulling all his scvs is all in though..
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On September 21 2011 20:51 mr_chapy wrote: there seems to be little huk could do to win that game... i mean...he HAD to cancel collosi because the all in came very fast, even with almost perfect micro and response, all it took was one second of "not so perfect" micro and to loose.Despite the oponent microing 99 times worse. That should not be possible, specially after huk crushed the first atack with minimal looses considering the strenght of the all-in. I believe blizzard is watching this and they better do something Fast . This is seriously hurting the game.
How was Huk's micro perfect? Or his response?
He could have had a colossus or 2 for the final engagement if he hadn't attempted to expand. That would almost certainly have given him the game.
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I want asd to win so there is a TvT so I have the 45 minutes to turn my computer off and move it.
Also with the way things are going, there is a sadistic part of me that wants lots of terrans to win so we have 28 terrans next season
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Why do people think that the immortal is the only change happening that will help against the stupid strategies terran are doing? Guardian Shield fix against siege tank sieged damage is probably the biggest change for this match up at the moment. He can actually blow a guardian shield and not lose all his units to siege tank splash.
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On September 21 2011 20:51 doko100 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 20:47 Teoita wrote:On September 21 2011 20:46 doko100 wrote: 1 collossus and he kills all the marines no problem -_-
was just bad play by huk, there was no need to build stalkers, terran had no air and he knew it, if he spends his gas on collossi instead of immortals and stalkers he wins the game ezpz Jeesus christ stop saying that. THE COLOSSI DONT COME OUT IN TIME, PERIOD. thats nonsense, he could have easily had 2 collossi by the time the second attack hit, he just had to build zealots instead of stalkers and then he has enough gas to afford robotics bay and collossi Had he scouted a more zeal heavy composition he'd have pressured earlier. That time comparison you're making, doesn't exist. He's not a boxing bag, he'll react too.
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On September 21 2011 20:48 FallDownMarigold wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 20:47 Bashion wrote:On September 21 2011 20:45 Qikz wrote: Guys, the first attack wasn't really an all in as he didn't bring SCVs. The second oen was and Huk didn't control well enough to beat it. As much as I hate the fact Virus won, Huk could have won that if he didn't miss micro. It wasnt an all in? Omg.... Nope. Do you play poker? Quit shitting on the proper meaning of "all in". The use of "all in" in SC2 is beyond retarded and inconsistent.
Terms are allowed to evolve in different contexts. All in is a useful concept in starcraft and it doesn't have to mean precisely the same thing it does in poker.
"It wasn't an all in guys, he had 50 minerals in the bank, could've rebuilt from scratch if his attack failed"
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On September 21 2011 20:53 Demonace34 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 20:51 Demonace34 wrote:On September 21 2011 20:50 Demonace34 wrote:2:10 Rax>gas for asd, hatch first from Zenio. 3:40 Pool and hatch finish for Zenio, reactor hellion expand from asd. CC goes down. 5:20 Spines going down for Zenio, Hellions taking map control. Metabolic boost on the way for Zenio. 7:30 asd has his hellions camped outside natural of Zenio to hold creep back while he gets another expansion up. Bane nest almost done for Zenio.
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