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On September 21 2011 20:52 izgodlee wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 20:46 KimJongChill wrote:On September 21 2011 20:45 Demoe wrote:On September 21 2011 20:44 Crazycraft wrote:
Wow, Huk is such a bad player. He's a much better player than Virus. Do you realize how easy it is to pull off these Terran all ins? So broken. The player who made less mistakes won. OH losing your whole first push army isn't a mistake. letting a pylon be built in your base isnt a mistake. but mismicroing for 2 seconds is a game changing loss inducing mistake. sounds fair brah.
wasting the units in your opponents base is a mistake... mismicroing for 2 seconds and losing your whole army is a mistake
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On September 21 2011 20:52 Dominico wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 20:51 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 21 2011 20:49 Dominico wrote:On September 21 2011 20:49 j0ker wrote:
guys..bringing 4 or 5 scvs with an attack does not make it an all in. especially when you didnt cut scv production. sitting on 1 base forever makes it an all in. So then huk was all in too...? do you play starcraft 2? seriously..
Seriously what? Huk was trying to defend an all-in with an all-in build.
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On September 21 2011 20:53 Kewlots wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 20:52 MagickMan wrote:On September 21 2011 20:51 Kewlots wrote:On September 21 2011 20:50 MagickMan wrote:On September 21 2011 20:48 Kewlots wrote:On September 21 2011 20:45 izgodlee wrote:On September 21 2011 20:44 snotboogie wrote:
If the patch hit today, those immortals kill those siege tanks and Huk wins that game. Wow. not even close yeah wasnt the tank was da marines if it was 1.4 he would kill the tanks without having to sac his stalkers into the marines trying to kill the last tank because the immortals already kill it, where you not watching? yeah but at the point where he tried to get the last tank it was over anyway it 5 stalkers to 30 marines Never seen huk micro stalkers? haha still he sacked his probes to try hold that while virus still has mules to reinforce it was over
virus would have had no gas for tanks, huk can kite marines all day if theres no tanks, he also had around 5-10 probes still
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On September 21 2011 20:53 MetalSlug wrote:
words can not describe how much i hate TL.net these days.
Absolutly everything is All-in. SCV builds rax -> RAX ALL IN!
People jump to conclusions over Gossip posts and change sides like underwear....
LR Threads have more Balance whine than the designated Balance whine Thread...
Please TL admins do something before its to late
Looks like someone is talking out their ass and didn't even watch the games. Please TL admins do something.
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On September 21 2011 20:50 poorcloud wrote:
Why all the whine, huk could have won that if he just kept his immortals at the 3rd and flanked when virus attacked.
He was floating like 300 gas so he cld have made 3 sentries and blocked the marines (you need sentries to hold)
The more such all ins i watch, the closer i feel that protosses can hold it.(Refer to mkp vs jyp in up and down and how jyp held the 1st push despite losing like 10 probes to hellions)
The required skills to hold it are going to become apparent to these pros soon enough, and this all in style of terran will go out of flavour soon.
The problem is that there are so many variations. You can go very early just plain tank/marine like here, or use banshees, with or without cloak, with a raven or not, and the exact timing of the push and exact unit composition can differ a lot.
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On September 21 2011 20:52 mTw|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 20:52 -y0shi- wrote:On September 21 2011 20:49 -y0shi- wrote:
Could any1 tell me what happened in the huk game? I thought it started 20 minutes ago? How can it be over already? Anyone? Please? 1 Base Marine/Tank push rolled 3 Gate Robo
Since he's provided subtly biased account of events A, I will provide subtly biased account of events B:
1 Base Zealot/Stalker/Immortal was mismicroed against 3 Rax Fact
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On September 21 2011 20:54 Demonace34 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 20:53 Demonace34 wrote:On September 21 2011 20:51 Demonace34 wrote:On September 21 2011 20:50 Demonace34 wrote:2:10 Rax>gas for asd, hatch first from Zenio. 3:40 Pool and hatch finish for Zenio, reactor hellion expand from asd. CC goes down. 5:20 Spines going down for Zenio, Hellions taking map control. Metabolic boost on the way for Zenio. 7:30 asd has his hellions camped outside natural of Zenio to hold creep back while he gets another expansion up. Bane nest almost done for Zenio.
9:00 Zenio spine pushing out so he can secure his 3rd. Stim halfway done starport coming up for asd. Zenio getting up spire.
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So they only played one game, no best of 3? I dont really understand the code s format, some1 please help me out here. Do they take turns playing and Huk vs Virus G2 will happen after this one?
Thanks a ton =)
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Of course Huk can defend. The problem is that vs the terran marine tank or 1-1-1 protoss requires perfect micro to survive. A gold terran micro is enough to win for the terran.
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On September 21 2011 20:54 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 20:52 Dominico wrote:On September 21 2011 20:51 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 21 2011 20:49 Dominico wrote:On September 21 2011 20:49 j0ker wrote:
guys..bringing 4 or 5 scvs with an attack does not make it an all in. especially when you didnt cut scv production. sitting on 1 base forever makes it an all in. So then huk was all in too...? do you play starcraft 2? seriously.. Seriously what? Huk was trying to defend an all-in with an all-in build.
Huk was never all in, he tried to expand twice during that game but couldn't due to Virus allining.
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On September 21 2011 20:51 dohee wrote:
Lots of people saying 1 base protoss cant hold 1 base terran all in. Does that actually hold any credit or is it as ridiculous as it sounds
Pretty much it is as ridiculous as it sounds. If it's 1 base vs 1 base, mules and simply better units give terran an advantage. You can definitely hold your ramp but eventually you get choked to death slowly by siege, or he just out expands you while you are stuck in base.
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On September 21 2011 20:51 dohee wrote:
Lots of people saying 1 base protoss cant hold 1 base terran all in. Does that actually hold any credit or is it as ridiculous as it sounds
You can definitely hold the 1st wave. But the more waves that get sent at you the worse off you are because 1 base + mules >>> 1 base with no mules. Plus the waves can last forever as the terran can float his command centre while you will mine out eventually.
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On September 21 2011 20:51 dohee wrote:
Lots of people saying 1 base protoss cant hold 1 base terran all in. Does that actually hold any credit or is it as ridiculous as it sounds
Don't know why it's ridiculous. Terran has mules and more cost efficient units. It actually makes perfect sense that one-base Terran > one-base Protoss.
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On September 21 2011 20:53 Ayjayz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 20:51 mr_chapy wrote:
there seems to be little huk could do to win that game... i mean...he HAD to cancel collosi because the all in came very fast, even with almost perfect micro and response, all it took was one second of "not so perfect" micro and to loose.Despite the oponent microing 99 times worse. That should not be possible, specially after huk crushed the first atack with minimal looses considering the strenght of the all-in. I believe blizzard is watching this and they better do something Fast . This is seriously hurting the game. How was Huk's micro perfect? Or his response? He could have had a colossus or 2 for the final engagement if he hadn't attempted to expand. That would almost certainly have given him the game.
No, he couldn't. If he invests in the robo bay he dies to the first push; if he doesn't he dies to the second. Stop talking about things you dont know.
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On September 21 2011 20:48 Clefairy wrote:
1.4 patch probably won't make much of a difference.
not in this game. SCVs and marines are very good against immortals. 5 or 6 range wouldnt make a big difference in this case.
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On September 21 2011 20:54 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 20:52 Dominico wrote:On September 21 2011 20:51 Itsmedudeman wrote:On September 21 2011 20:49 Dominico wrote:On September 21 2011 20:49 j0ker wrote:
guys..bringing 4 or 5 scvs with an attack does not make it an all in. especially when you didnt cut scv production. sitting on 1 base forever makes it an all in. So then huk was all in too...? do you play starcraft 2? seriously.. Seriously what? Huk was trying to defend an all-in with an all-in build.
lol what? he didnt expand because the terran is all-in if he expand hes dead. he tried to expand and cancel it
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On September 21 2011 20:48 Probe1 wrote:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/NOONm.jpg)
more like
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amirite?
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Good luck Zenio! I've really liked his play lately.
I'm not sure what to think of asd, he seems like a pretty solid Terran but he's never wowed me or anything.
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On September 21 2011 20:53 MetalSlug wrote:
words can not describe how much i hate TL.net these days.
Absolutly everything is All-in. SCV builds rax -> RAX ALL IN!
People jump to conclusions over Gossip posts and change sides like underwear....
LR Threads have more Balance whine than the designated Balance whine Thread...
Please TL admins do something before its to late
Its already too late...people calling 3rax fac build 1/1/1................taking 5 scvs of mineral line is all-in.......throwing a lot of units for no gain (warpins in virus base) is not a mistake...Its too late man. Just enjoy the games.
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On September 21 2011 20:54 dapierow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 20:52 izgodlee wrote:On September 21 2011 20:46 KimJongChill wrote:On September 21 2011 20:45 Demoe wrote:On September 21 2011 20:44 Crazycraft wrote:
Wow, Huk is such a bad player. He's a much better player than Virus. Do you realize how easy it is to pull off these Terran all ins? So broken. The player who made less mistakes won. OH losing your whole first push army isn't a mistake. letting a pylon be built in your base isnt a mistake. but mismicroing for 2 seconds is a game changing loss inducing mistake. sounds fair brah. wasting the units in your opponents base is a mistake... mismicroing for 2 seconds and losing your whole army is a mistake
he killed a tank and and some marines with 3 zealots..and then killed another tank and some more marines with some warped in stalkers..... whats wrong with you
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On September 21 2011 20:55 Demonace34 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 20:54 Demonace34 wrote:On September 21 2011 20:53 Demonace34 wrote:On September 21 2011 20:51 Demonace34 wrote:On September 21 2011 20:50 Demonace34 wrote:2:10 Rax>gas for asd, hatch first from Zenio. 3:40 Pool and hatch finish for Zenio, reactor hellion expand from asd. CC goes down. 5:20 Spines going down for Zenio, Hellions taking map control. Metabolic boost on the way for Zenio. 7:30 asd has his hellions camped outside natural of Zenio to hold creep back while he gets another expansion up. Bane nest almost done for Zenio. 9:00 Zenio spine pushing out so he can secure his 3rd. Stim halfway done starport coming up for asd. Zenio getting up spire.
10:15 Zenio getting +1 melee and bane speed as his 3rd comes online. Hellions still holding map control as asd pushes out with tank marine. Zenio counters into the 3rd getting a good amount of scv kills.
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