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On September 20 2011 22:30 bittman wrote:I don't use LRs, but I appreciate the effort involved, so much thanks for contributing with these =D (Always like saying thanks to people doing a little "work" =P )
Thanks a ton, I guess after 1k you just want to start giving back. It was my first time trying to LR, so hopefully I didn't write too much or too little. Have a good night all.
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On September 20 2011 22:32 Eufouria wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 22:30 wklbishop wrote:On September 20 2011 22:29 andaylin wrote:On September 20 2011 22:28 wklbishop wrote:On September 20 2011 22:27 Biane wrote:On September 20 2011 22:25 MrCon wrote:On September 20 2011 22:24 ArhK wrote:On September 20 2011 22:23 andaylin wrote:On September 20 2011 22:21 zeru wrote:
I think MKP is just trying to get a base trade again, thats all he can do in TvT these days because he knows he's not good anymore. :/ Lol at not being good anymore. Making it back to code S in one season and recently destroying Losira and Trickster 2-0 in AoL. Artosis stated in SoTG last week that this tournament is a "joke". No one plays really seriously there, it is very Korean... So stop thinking they played in a normal fashion there... like HuK beating Nestea ? lol. Wasn't he talked about the allstar matches ? Considering that money is on the line for AoL, i would think so too LOL, the fact that they were offracing during the allstars match should have been enough to show it was a joke. LOL GET YOUR TOURNAMENT KNOWLEDGE STRAIGHT. AOL is NOT All star matches. I was referring to the allstar match. My bad for implying otherwise. You implied it because you responded to people talking about it, normally people quote posts relevant to their own.
Yep, I apologize.
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both MVP and Polt seem to be more competent bio users than mkp.
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On September 20 2011 22:28 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 22:27 wklbishop wrote:On September 20 2011 22:23 frucisky wrote:On September 20 2011 22:22 Headnoob wrote:
and that's why you don't go MM anymore Polt does it really well and would have ripped Bomber this game imo. Actually, this makes me wonder how the hell Polt does it... By not losing all your scvs to a hellion drop?
Know you understand why blue flame is nerfed for TvT? ^_^
both MVP and Polt seem to be more competent bio users than mkp.
That's probably why Mvp got crushed against GanZi in the ST when he used bio or why Polt lost to Bomber & TOP.
Oh wait.
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On September 20 2011 22:29 Eufouria wrote:
That group seems tailor made so that the Protoss won't advance, I'm not sure what Artosis is talking about.
If you mean Huk's group that's not really true, while none of the players in it are bad, none of them ( except maybe zenio if he gets tricksy) should present a big challenge to Huk regardless of there being two terrans in the group.
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High light of the day is definitely the 50 minute TvT between Bomber and Ryung, where Artosis reveals he's not a fan of candy!
What an awesome day of starcraft :D
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On September 20 2011 22:31 Seditary wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 22:29 sang wrote:
holy shit mvp vs bomber in the ro16. the winner of that match is probably the favorite for the entire tournament I dunno, even if Bomber wins he still always has the chance to derp, he's way too prone to that.
MVP did too if you remember. Bomber didnt even get into GSL because of his nerves. i think that once Bomber gets over this and is more comfortable and focus' a bit more and doesnt show off as much when he knows he has won, his skill level is right up there with MVP's and he will start winning championships.
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On September 20 2011 22:24 Jtom wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 22:24 Pyre wrote:
Marineking needs to become the mechking When the new patch rolls out he might not need to be.
Hellions will get weaker , but HSM will get a speed buff . 1 potential HSM going off could mean the death of infinite number of marines . Bio will become extinct , i think only MVP and Bomber will use them on some maps , because they know what they are doing with it unlike MKP whos only real purpose is to force a base race with it , which won't work against the top terrans .
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On September 20 2011 22:30 superLanboy wrote:
Man, at least one of the following people isn't going to the ro16
Nada, MMA, NesTea
:C
Poor Keen. Already written off.
...though I agree hahaha. Still, he's good and more deserving of a Ro16 than a large number of other terran players. But Keen is probably mid-range Code S terran alongside players like Taeja.
Half the issue with having players pick their own groups. May make for interesting groups, but means that Code S has actually never had a season without a notable list of average players and notable list of strong missing players.
Oh well, I'm critical of the GSL system as a whole. Doesn't help when people say "Well it was fine in OSL", because that's an excuse, not a debate.
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On September 20 2011 22:34 raga4ka wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 22:24 Jtom wrote:On September 20 2011 22:24 Pyre wrote:
Marineking needs to become the mechking When the new patch rolls out he might not need to be. Hellions will get weaker , but HSM will get a speed buff . 1 potential HSM going off could mean the death of infinite number of marines . Bio will become extinct , i think only MVP and Bomber will use them on some maps , because they know what they are doing with it unlike MKP whos only real purpose is to force a base race with it , which won't work against the top terrans .
HSM won't catch stimmed bio, so how exactly will it kill infinite marines?
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On September 20 2011 22:34 Herry wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 22:31 Seditary wrote:On September 20 2011 22:29 sang wrote:
holy shit mvp vs bomber in the ro16. the winner of that match is probably the favorite for the entire tournament I dunno, even if Bomber wins he still always has the chance to derp, he's way too prone to that. MVP did too if you remember. Bomber didnt even get into GSL because of his nerves. i think that once Bomber gets over this and is more comfortable and focus' a bit more and doesnt show off as much when he knows he has won, his skill level is right up there with MVP's and he will start winning championships.
Plus Bomber should be confident since he has never lost to MVP in a series
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On September 20 2011 22:34 raga4ka wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 22:24 Jtom wrote:On September 20 2011 22:24 Pyre wrote:
Marineking needs to become the mechking When the new patch rolls out he might not need to be. Hellions will get weaker , but HSM will get a speed buff . 1 potential HSM going off could mean the death of infinite number of marines . Bio will become extinct , i think only MVP and Bomber will use them on some maps , because they know what they are doing with it unlike MKP whos only real purpose is to force a base race with it , which won't work against the top terrans .
No it won't. Splitting marines away from a seeker missile is 100x easier than splitting your vikings up. Mass raven with that much energy is only viable in the super late game anyway when you're on like 8 gases. You don't know what you're talking about.
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On September 20 2011 22:29 Ysellian wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 22:27 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Bio is stupid. You win if your opponent makes a big mistake and you lose if neither of you make mistakes. It's basically an easier but worse way of playing TvT. I have no idea why a pro would go for it right now - do you really lack confidence in your skill that you have to rely on your opponent fucking up every TvT you play? Bio is just another strategy which MVP and Polt have proven to be perfectly viable still.
Cross positions on huge maps or against an opponent who makes mistakes with mech leaves bio still viable. There is a slight midgame advantage you can sometimes exploit, and as I said it's easier so if you think your opponent will mess up it works well.
That's it, however. Against Bomber, one of the top five mech TvTers in the world, it will almost never work in those positions.
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On September 20 2011 22:27 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Bio is stupid. You win if your opponent makes a big mistake and you lose if neither of you make mistakes. It's basically an easier but worse way of playing TvT. I have no idea why a pro would go for it right now - do you really lack confidence in your skill that you have to rely on your opponent fucking up every TvT you play?
Your commentary is stupid. MKP lost because he lost 17 SCVs to BFH hellion drop, HE made the mistake. Both playstyles can capitalize on mistake making, 1 wrong move vs mech and you lose all your scvs, infact I would say its somewhat dependent on keeping the bio player in his base due to harass threat or mech players would just get outexpanded because of their immobility. Also there has never been a starcraft game played where nobody makes a mistake.
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On September 20 2011 22:35 andaylin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 22:34 Herry wrote:On September 20 2011 22:31 Seditary wrote:On September 20 2011 22:29 sang wrote:
holy shit mvp vs bomber in the ro16. the winner of that match is probably the favorite for the entire tournament I dunno, even if Bomber wins he still always has the chance to derp, he's way too prone to that. MVP did too if you remember. Bomber didnt even get into GSL because of his nerves. i think that once Bomber gets over this and is more comfortable and focus' a bit more and doesnt show off as much when he knows he has won, his skill level is right up there with MVP's and he will start winning championships. Plus Bomber should be confident since he has never lost to MVP in a series
indeed, not many players have beaten MVP in a Bo7.
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On September 20 2011 22:32 Maghetti wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 22:22 marttorn wrote:On September 20 2011 22:20 Maghetti wrote:On September 20 2011 22:16 Biane wrote:On September 20 2011 22:14 Maghetti wrote:On September 20 2011 22:06 Badfatpanda wrote:On September 20 2011 22:04 Maghetti wrote:
This is one 2nd place I don't think is possible for MKP to get. Bomber should rip him to tiny pieces....and that makes me happy. omg why so much MKP hate in this LR what did he do??? He gained his fan base through extremely gimmicky play, and constant allins. Where most other players who play is this fashion are now in code B MKP remains. Probably because he has actual skill unlike them, but he just looooves to play cheesy and gimmicky. I don't know why he has any fans. He loves to play cheesy and gimmicky....? You should go and watch some of his matches I have seen every gsl match ever played. As well as many other online events he has played in. Easily watched 90+% of his casted matches. Well, the fact that you would still claim he plays so much cheesy only makes you look sillier if you've actually seen *every single* match in GSL. lol it isn't silly. He is a well own allin attacker. I mean hell, he played that game gimmicky. Mass bio vs mech is gimmicky. Base trade based tvt styles is gimmicky. MMM vs zerg is gimmicky. etc. These are things he regularly uses. And as far as cheesing, he uses the 1/1/1 probably more than any other gsl player. I didn't add up the numbers but i can't think of anyone else. A large amount of his gstl matches were allins. A lot of his gsl matches were allins(not putting in the time to get exact numbers), and of all the times I have seen him play on the ladder vs the streamers I watch he has only ever done 1 base play.
I understand you are an MKP Hater, okay that's clear. Now you're saying everything that isn't the conventional these days is gimmicky, well.....i'm sorry for wasting your time. You're right, MKP is a gimmicky player, he doesn't deserve my respect and admiration. I guess I should have you teach me what is gimmicky and what isn't gimmicky so that i can gain some respect in your eyes (cause that is very important in life is it not?).
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On September 20 2011 22:35 andaylin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 22:34 Herry wrote:On September 20 2011 22:31 Seditary wrote:On September 20 2011 22:29 sang wrote:
holy shit mvp vs bomber in the ro16. the winner of that match is probably the favorite for the entire tournament I dunno, even if Bomber wins he still always has the chance to derp, he's way too prone to that. MVP did too if you remember. Bomber didnt even get into GSL because of his nerves. i think that once Bomber gets over this and is more comfortable and focus' a bit more and doesnt show off as much when he knows he has won, his skill level is right up there with MVP's and he will start winning championships. Plus Bomber should be confident since he has never lost to MVP in a series
They only played one series :p
And 2 matches @ GSTL, both won one match.
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On September 20 2011 22:27 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Bio is stupid. You win if your opponent makes a big mistake and you lose if neither of you make mistakes. It's basically an easier but worse way of playing TvT. I have no idea why a pro would go for it right now - do you really lack confidence in your skill that you have to rely on your opponent fucking up every TvT you play?
go watch Polt v TOP on Daybreak. Thats the pinnacle of bio play imo. That also shows that Polt is miles better than MKP but ppl never give him enough credit while still hyping a weak terran with an outdated metagame
btw gotta email Dr.Chae to make mvp vs bomber a bo9
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On September 20 2011 22:37 Arceus wrote:
btw gotta email Dr.Chae to make mvp vs bomber a bo9
that sounds like a good idea.
maybe we should all do it. ^^
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On September 20 2011 22:36 Disquiet wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 22:27 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Bio is stupid. You win if your opponent makes a big mistake and you lose if neither of you make mistakes. It's basically an easier but worse way of playing TvT. I have no idea why a pro would go for it right now - do you really lack confidence in your skill that you have to rely on your opponent fucking up every TvT you play? Your commentary is stupid. MKP lost because he lost 17 SCVs to BFH hellion drop, HE made the mistake. Both playstyles can capitalize on mistake making, 1 wrong move vs mech and you lose all your scvs, infact I would say its somewhat dependent on keeping the bio player in his base due to harass threat or mech players would just get outexpanded because of their immobility. Also there has never been a starcraft game played where nobody makes a mistake.
a) I said "big mistake", not simply "mistake".
b) The point is that mech doesn't rely on a bio player making a big mistake. Bio, on the other hand, does.
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