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On September 20 2011 22:34 bittman wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 22:30 superLanboy wrote:
Man, at least one of the following people isn't going to the ro16
Nada, MMA, NesTea
:C Poor Keen. Already written off. ...though I agree hahaha. Still, he's good and more deserving of a Ro16 than a large number of other terran players. But Keen is probably mid-range Code S terran alongside players like Taeja. Half the issue with having players pick their own groups. May make for interesting groups, but means that Code S has actually never had a season without a notable list of average players and notable list of strong missing players. Oh well, I'm critical of the GSL system as a whole. Doesn't help when people say "Well it was fine in OSL", because that's an excuse, not a debate.
So explain. Dismissing it isn't helpful.
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So Puzzle is Up & Down now?, I just want to watch protoss man, I don't care who just some protoss through the tournament.
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I stopped watching GSL.. There is no toss left...
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On September 20 2011 23:18 haegN wrote:
I stopped watching GSL.. There is no toss left...
watch code a hero/jyp/oz/sage are the ones to look out for
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For fucks sake ensnare should have been in Code A so so long ago T.T
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On September 20 2011 22:52 Maghetti wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 22:37 Biane wrote:On September 20 2011 22:32 Maghetti wrote:On September 20 2011 22:22 marttorn wrote:On September 20 2011 22:20 Maghetti wrote:On September 20 2011 22:16 Biane wrote:On September 20 2011 22:14 Maghetti wrote:On September 20 2011 22:06 Badfatpanda wrote:On September 20 2011 22:04 Maghetti wrote:
This is one 2nd place I don't think is possible for MKP to get. Bomber should rip him to tiny pieces....and that makes me happy. omg why so much MKP hate in this LR what did he do??? He gained his fan base through extremely gimmicky play, and constant allins. Where most other players who play is this fashion are now in code B MKP remains. Probably because he has actual skill unlike them, but he just looooves to play cheesy and gimmicky. I don't know why he has any fans. He loves to play cheesy and gimmicky....? You should go and watch some of his matches I have seen every gsl match ever played. As well as many other online events he has played in. Easily watched 90+% of his casted matches. Well, the fact that you would still claim he plays so much cheesy only makes you look sillier if you've actually seen *every single* match in GSL. lol it isn't silly. He is a well own allin attacker. I mean hell, he played that game gimmicky. Mass bio vs mech is gimmicky. Base trade based tvt styles is gimmicky. MMM vs zerg is gimmicky. etc. These are things he regularly uses. And as far as cheesing, he uses the 1/1/1 probably more than any other gsl player. I didn't add up the numbers but i can't think of anyone else. A large amount of his gstl matches were allins. A lot of his gsl matches were allins(not putting in the time to get exact numbers), and of all the times I have seen him play on the ladder vs the streamers I watch he has only ever done 1 base play. I understand you are an MKP Hater, okay that's clear. Now you're saying everything that isn't the conventional these days is gimmicky, well.....i'm sorry for wasting your time. You're right, MKP is a gimmicky player, he doesn't deserve my respect and admiration. I guess I should have you teach me what is gimmicky and what isn't gimmicky so that i can gain some respect in your eyes (cause that is very important in life is it not?). Those things I listed are in my opinion not just unconventional, but based on your opponents making a mistake. Mech beats bio 100% of the time if the mech playing makes no big mistakes. I do not like stylistic players very much. I have a similar issue with destiny for example. He relies basically on not being allined. If he is left to get up all his tech he is suddenly very hard to beat, but this is gimmicky. I get it, you're a MKP fan. And I do know why he has fans. He did stuff that people thought was not viable. He showed all sorts of stuff with marines, all kinds of good micro. I was made a "hater" of his play from watching his play. He is still around because he is capable of strong standard play. That is why I said he likes to be cheesy and gimmicky and not that he has to be. It is annoying to see a player with his talent 1base like 50% of the time. Even MKP fans should be annoyed by this. It isn't solid play and it isn't enjoyable for the fans.
If your definition of gimmicky is unconventional, then I have nothing to argue there cause that just happens to be a matter of differences in personal opinion.
That bolded part is an exaggeration I will not stand for unfortunately (or aka, cheesy). Yes he can 1 base, but where are those 50% of the time he 1 bases? Certainly not in these group matches, in the up and downs he 1 based once? (or twice, can't remember exactly) out of the 6 group matches he played out of desperation to get back into code S (the especially effectively proven 1-1-1 against toss). During his code A matches, how matches did he 1 based against Ganzi? Leenock? jjajki? None afair.
If we want to talk about cheesy why not talk about the proxy barracks that Ryung did? Unless you're going to tell me that MKP did an economical cheese then i'll have nothing say there cause yes it is a risk he takes especially when cc-ing 1st.
on quote of some stuff you said earlier:
+ Show Spoiler +He gained his fan base through extremely gimmicky play, and constant allins.
A good deal of his fan base was gained at the get go in Open Season 2 i believe with his insane marine micro (which at that time was practically 'never seen before'), his awesome comebacks against kyrix, the way he dismantled rainbow, and the nail-biting finals right up to game 7 with nestea. Since then he hasn't looked as good as he did back then as other players got better alongside him too but every now and then we see flashes of his brilliance such as the comeback against MC in the GSL WC, the epic base trade against Nada in GSL Jan (where the base trade shenanigans in TvT all started). MKP practically pioneered a number of the TvZ/TvT strats (alot of them, marine / microed centered) used for the first half of this year, a number of which are still used occasionally (though some of them outdated in the metagame today, though don't forget, the game is always evolving).
Basically, TvT/TvZ wouldn't have been the same (or at least, wouldn't have evolved the same way to the point it did today) if it wasn't for MKP. We, his fans love him for that (and of course because he's cute >.<, emotional (wears his emotion on his sleeves), and he's good looking, oh and the kong line too!).
He may have looked cheesy back in season 2 with the marine scv's all in crap, but hey, sc2 in open season 2 is so different to the way it is now. MKP gained his fan base for who he is and what he has done for SC2, not because he's extremely gimmicky and an all-inner (like TheBest, which now isn't even a fair statement as we all know, he can macro, just that he had nerve issues)
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4/4, super easy to predict day.
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On September 20 2011 23:20 NexUmbra wrote:
For fucks sake ensnare should have been in Code A so so long ago T.T
There will always be one who carries the title of "Desperately hanging on to Code S status"
The first one was TheWind. Now he's in Code B.
The second one was Kyrix. NOW HE'S CODE B.
The third one is aLive virus I mean ensnare. Soon. SOON.
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Aww. Puzzle was the only Protoss who really even had a chance of getting anything done in Code S. Then he went and derped it up. Well I guess Huk has an easy group.
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MVP vs bomber is gonna be sick
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Looking at the groups, I actually wouldn't be surprised if Huk is the only code S Protoss not heading to the up-and-downs. It's funny how much he lucked out. I'd probably rank all 9 of the opponents in those groups over Huk's 3.
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Happy is was Mvp, Clide... sad for MKP : /
It was the group of death though, and at least he didn't go the up/downs again. RIP Protoss
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theres about to be 32 terrans in code s next season
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On September 20 2011 23:37 Kettchup wrote:
Looking at the groups, I actually wouldn't be surprised if Huk is the only code S Protoss not heading to the up-and-downs. It's funny how much he lucked out. I'd probably rank all 9 of the opponents in those groups over Huk's 3.
Huk does tend to get lucky groups. But this is often because he picks the worst players. Unlike the Koreans.
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On September 20 2011 23:54 PeterHuynh wrote:
theres about to be 32 terrans in code s next season
Group D, F & G have 2 non-terrans in. Group E has 3. Most possible number of Terrans in GSL Code S... January(?) would be 27 if the MLG Orlando Code S seed is a Terran, all Up & Down matches have Terran 1st and 2nd place and the winner of Code A is Terran. Code A doesn't even have many Terrans this season.
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On September 21 2011 00:14 MrSalamandra wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 23:54 PeterHuynh wrote:
theres about to be 32 terrans in code s next season Group D, F & G have 2 non-terrans in. Group E has 3. Most possible number of Terrans in GSL Code S... January(?) would be 27 if the MLG Orlando Code S seed is a Terran, all Up & Down matches have Terran 1st and 2nd place and the winner of Code A is Terran. Code A doesn't even have many Terrans this season.
i said that as a joke haha but there is a possibility of that happening sometime soon if things are going the way they are right now
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On September 21 2011 00:16 PeterHuynh wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 00:14 MrSalamandra wrote:On September 20 2011 23:54 PeterHuynh wrote:
theres about to be 32 terrans in code s next season Group D, F & G have 2 non-terrans in. Group E has 3. Most possible number of Terrans in GSL Code S... January(?) would be 27 if the MLG Orlando Code S seed is a Terran, all Up & Down matches have Terran 1st and 2nd place and the winner of Code A is Terran. Code A doesn't even have many Terrans this season. i said that as a joke haha but there is a possibility of that happening sometime soon if things are going the way they are right now
The low number of Terran qualifying by the regular qualifiers this season (5 zerg, 5 protoss, 2 terran) is at least an indication that it won't be the case.
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On September 21 2011 00:20 MrSalamandra wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 00:16 PeterHuynh wrote:On September 21 2011 00:14 MrSalamandra wrote:On September 20 2011 23:54 PeterHuynh wrote:
theres about to be 32 terrans in code s next season Group D, F & G have 2 non-terrans in. Group E has 3. Most possible number of Terrans in GSL Code S... January(?) would be 27 if the MLG Orlando Code S seed is a Terran, all Up & Down matches have Terran 1st and 2nd place and the winner of Code A is Terran. Code A doesn't even have many Terrans this season. i said that as a joke haha but there is a possibility of that happening sometime soon if things are going the way they are right now The low number of Terran qualifying by the regular qualifiers this season (5 zerg, 5 protoss, 2 terran) is at least an indication that it won't be the case.
so what? is there really a difference between 27 and 32? too many is too many...
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Why are the games in group B so UNrecommended by the community?
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