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Funtime is over, start behaving in here. You all know the rules and this isn't the place for some kind of comments or discussion. Keep it to the games and keep balance, the casters and meta discussions out of here.
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On September 19 2011 15:48 SuperYo1000 wrote: 2 time gsl champion MC losing to a zerg player that didnt build 1 creep tumor...lol Yay for state of protoss Shut
The
Fuck
Up
Seriously, did you even watch the fucking game?
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On September 19 2011 15:47 Ammanas wrote: Just to point out, on last few months, MC wasn't the best protoss in Korea by far. Just compare Idra vs HerO game in Dreamhack and this one. Arguably, Monster probably >> Idra, but the way HerO played was so different from MC. Constant harass, multitasking... MC was just trying to deathball, clearly it just doesn't work anymore.
Protoss hopes right now? Sage, HerO, JYP, Puzzle, Huk
Sase as well He's so gonna knock out FD tomorrow.
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Anyone experiencing sound problems with GOM PLAYER? Sound is working fine for me (for example on youtube), but on gom player i get only white noise.
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On September 19 2011 15:49 babysimba wrote: When i saw mc going colo tech even after he scouted infestor tech, i knew he had a high chance of losing. Seriously, when are toss going to learn that you need feedbacks against infestors. I know im gonna get flamed, but it seems to me mc doesnt know how to play pvz anymore. Hope to see sage go deep in this tourny and revolutionize toss' gameplay.
i don't think you know how to play pvz
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On September 19 2011 15:48 Sc2Null wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 15:47 TimeFlighT wrote:On September 19 2011 15:46 Sc2Null wrote: i might adapt that ZvP style monster has...terran/zerg continually make up these strategies while toss attack when they get 6 gates..tsk please enlighten us how should protoss play. innovatory
That's not really an answer, though probably there is a better solution than the current.
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MC didn't play well, but lets be honest, you can easily tell that pretty much ALL protoss players don't seem to play with much 'life' in them right now, just look at their expressions.. whether its imbalance or not, they are all struggling, its not really a slump by one or two individuals, the entire race of players aren't playing with any confidence, I really feel like they've all lost hope and as a result its affecting their gameplay, its so sad to see =/
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On September 19 2011 15:47 LeaD wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 15:45 Shellshock1122 wrote:On September 19 2011 15:44 synapse wrote:On September 19 2011 15:42 Robonord wrote: MC didn't lose to imbalance, his play was mediocre. Well deserved win by Monster. I have to agree with this. He let lings run by several times in game two whilst putting on zero pressure, he didn't scout the spire that was IN MONSTER'S MAIN and then chose to push out vs muta/ling/infestor without chargelots or HT or archons. MC's play just seems to be lacking something. I can't quite put my finger on it. He used to be so awe inspiring and it backed up his attitude. Now its just.... meh Yeah, those 6 gate timing pushes are missing. He hasn't won anything in the Korean scene since those timing pushes were figured out. You know, I hate to say this, but I kinda agree. While MC has shown a vast amount of builds, they are in foreign tournaments against worse players. He really hasn't made much noise in Korean with those builds.
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On September 19 2011 15:49 babysimba wrote: When i saw mc going colo tech even after he scouted infestor tech, i knew he had a high chance of losing. Seriously, when are toss going to learn that you need feedbacks against infestors. I know im gonna get flamed, but it seems to me mc doesnt know how to play pvz anymore. Hope to see sage go deep in this tourny and revolutionize toss' gameplay.
Colossi tech is the counter to two base ling/infestor.
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mind is blown. fucking mc is out
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so uhmmm now another ex-code s into code b right away?
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On September 19 2011 15:49 lilyi89 wrote: yea this is pretty sad... they need to fix protoss asap
Yeah, they should make it so that when you forget to make a wall, all zerglings that enter your base should instantly explode.
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sadly i think mc really got tilted during the second game with the ling runbys when he had his probes right there but just forgot to put them on hold T_T...
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hope this is the last we see of Kyrix, haven't seen any worthwhile games from him since MKP vs Kyrix in open season 2.
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On September 19 2011 15:49 lilyi89 wrote: yea this is pretty sad... they need to fix protoss asap
Protoss is underpowered for sure, but that was some pretty uninspired PvZ.
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Come on Kyrix lemme see some banelings.
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On September 19 2011 15:48 Sc2Null wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 15:47 TimeFlighT wrote:On September 19 2011 15:46 Sc2Null wrote: i might adapt that ZvP style monster has...terran/zerg continually make up these strategies while toss attack when they get 6 gates..tsk please enlighten us how should protoss play. innovatory
that statement was,,,inovative
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Though I wanted to believe MC would win, I sortof expected this. It's hard not to. I've watched nearly every tournament for the last few months, and just about every protoss game I watch in hopes of it helping me, have been absolute garbage (I'd say 85% or more). Virtually 100% of games that have helped me in recent times have come from only 3 players- JYP, Sage, and Hero.
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On September 19 2011 15:49 Pyskee wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 15:48 SuperYo1000 wrote: 2 time gsl champion MC losing to a zerg player that didnt build 1 creep tumor...lol Yay for state of protoss Shut The Fuck Up Seriously, did you even watch the fucking game?
Yeh, with that build if you do a tumor instead of an inject, you wont have enough lings. Everytime you see a zerg neglect creep tumors, it almost always conicides with heavy ling play.
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On September 19 2011 15:45 snarl wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 15:44 synapse wrote:On September 19 2011 15:42 Robonord wrote: MC didn't lose to imbalance, his play was mediocre. Well deserved win by Monster. I have to agree with this. He let lings run by several times in game two whilst putting on zero pressure, he didn't scout the spire that was IN MONSTER'S MAIN and then chose to push out vs muta/ling/infestor without chargelots or HT or archons. what good are chargelots vs speedlings? and colossus AND HTs+archons off 2 base? really? zealots are good vs lings, esp if you have upgrade advantage (which he should have considering he opened nexus first -> forge). if your zealots can keep up with your blink stalkers then you can freely chase down mutas -- if you noticed in that last battle, mc's zealots arrived at the battle about 5-6 seconds too late.
there's also a reason protosses have stopped going for colossus versus fast infestor... what was it called again? neural?
On September 19 2011 15:50 Heavenly wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 15:49 babysimba wrote: When i saw mc going colo tech even after he scouted infestor tech, i knew he had a high chance of losing. Seriously, when are toss going to learn that you need feedbacks against infestors. I know im gonna get flamed, but it seems to me mc doesnt know how to play pvz anymore. Hope to see sage go deep in this tourny and revolutionize toss' gameplay. Colossi tech is the counter to two base ling/infestor. If Z scouts the colossus before finishing neural, then he just waits until neural is done. Then ling/infestor/colossus counter whatever toss has. =.=
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On September 19 2011 15:42 Heavenly wrote: Someone please tell me how MC could have ever played that any better than he did lmao, but you say he played like shit when he did everything perfectly. Oh my..... I've never watched a game where i couldn't spot anything someone could have done better.
And that game was clearly not a place you can't spot problems.... Losing all his blink stalkers for free, ling run by x2, 2x artosis pylons, poor engagements in general...
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