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snafoo
Profile Joined August 2010
New Zealand1615 Posts
September 08 2011 13:26 GMT
#3001
On September 08 2011 22:25 noddy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 22:21 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Glad taeja got through, not so happy MKP got through. Always does 1/1/1 or ghost rush in TvP and he's lucky he was in this particular group over the others.


What a dumb comment. He rarely does 1/1/1 and he did the ghost rush twice.


He won CPL basically playing only 1/1/1....
Eufouria
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom4425 Posts
September 08 2011 13:26 GMT
#3002
On September 08 2011 22:22 poorcloud wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 22:19 Eufouria wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:14 OrchidThief wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:13 00Visor wrote:
MKP showed so many great games in GSL history.
He really deserves Code S - maybe not by the games today.
He has an innovative playstyle which will distinguish him from all the others Terrans in Code S.

Disgusting to see so many haters.


Innovative, really? He spent the first two seasons making nothing but marines and bringing SCV's.

Current TvZ still uses ideas that MarineKing pioneered in open season 2.


How?
U mean mass marines with medivac?
Thats not even viable anymore.
If your talking about marine splitting, mvp did it way better and it probably was already on the ladder for a long while.
Slayers pioneered the blue flame into marine tank play.
MVP was the marine tank solid macro.
Someone else did full mech.
What did mkp pioneer exactly? 2 rax + scv all in?

Before him I don't remember any Terran being able to put so much pressure on a Zerg early game with a 12/14 rax. Also he popularised the 1 rax expand.
nanoscorp
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1237 Posts
September 08 2011 13:26 GMT
#3003
On September 08 2011 22:21 Raygun wrote:
Wasn't MKP taking a second base far earlier than most Terrans later on in opens?


He still is, and it seems like a lot of people don't give him credit for it. VS Taeja he got his 2nd CC up earlier (1-rax CC) and had his 3rd on the gold before Taeja grabbed his 3rd. Going for the gold turned out to be a bad idea, as the CC got sniped while the massive marine armies were jockeying for position in the middle of the map. Still, in many games he goes for an early economic advantage.
dtz
Profile Joined September 2010
5834 Posts
September 08 2011 13:27 GMT
#3004
On September 08 2011 22:24 ForTheDr3am wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 22:23 Quintum_ wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:20 wklbishop wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:17 Huragius wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:15 Hyperionnn wrote:
guide to play in code s

1- pick terran
2- get good at tvt
3- do 1-1-1 every single tvp
4- ????
5 -profit


Lol. You whiners are really pathetic. Did you see how JYP and Tester lost their last games to MKP ? I doubt it.


The whiners are also paying customers and viewers. When it reaches a point where there are barely any protoss in Code S, the paying customers no longer want to watch and GOM loses money which will probably put pressure on them to do something.


Even if GOM was dissatisfied what would they do, bar anymore Ts from playing in code S. It is not there game to balance.


Tell Blizzard to do something maybe =p


GOM can control the maps. They did it to help zergs earlier. Removing Kulas, Steppes, Delta etc.

If they are really desperate they can do something as drastic as 3 gas geysers in the main or rich vespene geysers. That will help protoss a lot.

But that also will be extremely dumb and short sighted.
scares
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany239 Posts
September 08 2011 13:27 GMT
#3005
On September 08 2011 22:23 Quintum_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 22:20 wklbishop wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:17 Huragius wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:15 Hyperionnn wrote:
guide to play in code s

1- pick terran
2- get good at tvt
3- do 1-1-1 every single tvp
4- ????
5 -profit


Lol. You whiners are really pathetic. Did you see how JYP and Tester lost their last games to MKP ? I doubt it.


The whiners are also paying customers and viewers. When it reaches a point where there are barely any protoss in Code S, the paying customers no longer want to watch and GOM loses money which will probably put pressure on them to do something.


Even if GOM was dissatisfied what would they do, bar anymore Ts from playing in code S. It is not there game to balance.


The thing is even if they would now make Terran Underpowered, it would take a long time for the races to equal out. It can be quite hard to fall out of code S as some players are showing, by always staying in there, and its not only in the latest seasons, that there have been so many terrans, they are just performing even better now.
But balancing it will not make the races equal after GSL October, it will take a long time until we see race equality in GSL for now.
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scares
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany239 Posts
September 08 2011 13:28 GMT
#3006
On September 08 2011 22:26 snafoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 22:25 noddy wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:21 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Glad taeja got through, not so happy MKP got through. Always does 1/1/1 or ghost rush in TvP and he's lucky he was in this particular group over the others.


What a dumb comment. He rarely does 1/1/1 and he did the ghost rush twice.


He won CPL basically playing only 1/1/1....


no he won by being cheesed and opening 2rax select style nearly every game
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Raygun
Profile Joined August 2010
348 Posts
September 08 2011 13:28 GMT
#3007
On September 08 2011 22:22 ramon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 22:21 Raygun wrote:
Wasn't MKP taking a second base far earlier than most Terrans later on in opens?

he popularized 1rax expand


Thanks, I remember him being one of the only Terrans that went for an early expand. Couldn't remember the specifics though.

I think he's judged too harshly for showing people how to SCV all-in.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
September 08 2011 13:28 GMT
#3008
On September 08 2011 22:27 Elthreann wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 22:23 Quintum_ wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:20 wklbishop wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:17 Huragius wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:15 Hyperionnn wrote:
guide to play in code s

1- pick terran
2- get good at tvt
3- do 1-1-1 every single tvp
4- ????
5 -profit


Lol. You whiners are really pathetic. Did you see how JYP and Tester lost their last games to MKP ? I doubt it.


The whiners are also paying customers and viewers. When it reaches a point where there are barely any protoss in Code S, the paying customers no longer want to watch and GOM loses money which will probably put pressure on them to do something.


Even if GOM was dissatisfied what would they do, bar anymore Ts from playing in code S. It is not there game to balance.


The thing is even if they would now make Terran Underpowered, it would take a long time for the races to equal out. It can be quite hard to fall out of code S as some players are showing, by always staying in there, and its not only in the latest seasons, that there have been so many terrans, they are just performing even better now.
But balancing it will not make the races equal after GSL October, it will take a long time until we see race equality in GSL for now.


I think if P was balanced we would see terrans drop from GSL left and right because they havent practiced the matchup properly.

Also the brackets can be manipulated to expedite the speed at which this happens but, at the moment the tournament is already overclocked.
twitch.tv/medrea
snafoo
Profile Joined August 2010
New Zealand1615 Posts
September 08 2011 13:28 GMT
#3009
On September 08 2011 22:20 wklbishop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 22:17 Huragius wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:15 Hyperionnn wrote:
guide to play in code s

1- pick terran
2- get good at tvt
3- do 1-1-1 every single tvp
4- ????
5 -profit


Lol. You whiners are really pathetic. Did you see how JYP and Tester lost their last games to MKP ? I doubt it.


The whiners are also paying customers and viewers. When it reaches a point where there are barely any protoss in Code S, the paying customers no longer want to watch and GOM loses money which will probably put pressure on them to do something.


What... I can't believe this post actually just happened.... You're blaming GOM for protoss being a weak race? Really?.......
Akhee
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil811 Posts
September 08 2011 13:29 GMT
#3010
On September 08 2011 22:23 Medrea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 22:22 Adreme wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:17 Phats wrote:
Wow I've almost watched every single GSL game since season 1 but I don't think I can handle a 20 out of 32 player Terran playerbase for this next seasons code S. That's just ridiculous, do we really have to wait until HotS to get this pro level more racially diverse ?

O well maybe D3 will draw me away until the terran domination ends ><


I find it annoying that the best players keep choosing terran.


No.

That's not how it works.


hahaha incontrol would punch you in the face til death
noddy
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom927 Posts
September 08 2011 13:29 GMT
#3011
On September 08 2011 22:26 snafoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 22:25 noddy wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:21 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Glad taeja got through, not so happy MKP got through. Always does 1/1/1 or ghost rush in TvP and he's lucky he was in this particular group over the others.


What a dumb comment. He rarely does 1/1/1 and he did the ghost rush twice.


He won CPL basically playing only 1/1/1....


"basically"

you must have a very broad understanding of 1/1/1. It's funny everytime MKP plays people like Ashe come and whine.
Eufouria
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom4425 Posts
September 08 2011 13:29 GMT
#3012
On September 08 2011 22:28 Raygun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 22:22 ramon wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:21 Raygun wrote:
Wasn't MKP taking a second base far earlier than most Terrans later on in opens?

he popularized 1rax expand


Thanks, I remember him being one of the only Terrans that went for an early expand. Couldn't remember the specifics though.

I think he's judged too harshly for showing people how to SCV all-in.

That was BitByBit. Maybe MKP was better at it though.
Phats
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia534 Posts
September 08 2011 13:29 GMT
#3013
3 gas geysers would prob just allow terran to go something like 4 rax ghost or something and make MVP's 18 ghosts the norm
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
September 08 2011 13:29 GMT
#3014
On September 08 2011 22:29 Akhee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 22:23 Medrea wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:22 Adreme wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:17 Phats wrote:
Wow I've almost watched every single GSL game since season 1 but I don't think I can handle a 20 out of 32 player Terran playerbase for this next seasons code S. That's just ridiculous, do we really have to wait until HotS to get this pro level more racially diverse ?

O well maybe D3 will draw me away until the terran domination ends ><


I find it annoying that the best players keep choosing terran.


No.

That's not how it works.


hahaha incontrol would punch you in the face til death


Not me right? The other guy?
twitch.tv/medrea
poorcloud
Profile Joined April 2011
Singapore2748 Posts
September 08 2011 13:30 GMT
#3015
On September 08 2011 22:26 Eufouria wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 22:22 poorcloud wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:19 Eufouria wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:14 OrchidThief wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:13 00Visor wrote:
MKP showed so many great games in GSL history.
He really deserves Code S - maybe not by the games today.
He has an innovative playstyle which will distinguish him from all the others Terrans in Code S.

Disgusting to see so many haters.


Innovative, really? He spent the first two seasons making nothing but marines and bringing SCV's.

Current TvZ still uses ideas that MarineKing pioneered in open season 2.


How?
U mean mass marines with medivac?
Thats not even viable anymore.
If your talking about marine splitting, mvp did it way better and it probably was already on the ladder for a long while.
Slayers pioneered the blue flame into marine tank play.
MVP was the marine tank solid macro.
Someone else did full mech.
What did mkp pioneer exactly? 2 rax + scv all in?

Before him I don't remember any Terran being able to put so much pressure on a Zerg early game with a 12/14 rax. Also he popularised the 1 rax expand.


I grant you the 2 rax pressure.
Even then, his play recently has been really off code S level play and that is why i don't think he deserves to be in code S.
God did you watch his code A games this season? Playing T v Z without walling off, struggling with every match but somehow he manages to win.
Only thing is that i suppose he will be found out soon and drop if he stays at this level of play.
quRax
Profile Joined January 2011
Korea (South)264 Posts
September 08 2011 13:30 GMT
#3016
Well I am so happy that MKP will compete in Code S again, but there's just a little too much terran :D
Polt, Polt and Polt.
Navichi
Profile Joined July 2011
49 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-08 13:31:37
September 08 2011 13:30 GMT
#3017
On September 08 2011 22:23 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 22:20 Phyxx wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:18 Krossfire wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:16 Swad1000 wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:13 00Visor wrote:
MKP showed so many great games in GSL history.
He really deserves Code S - maybe not by the games today.
He has an innovative playstyle which will distinguish him from all the others Terrans in Code S.

Disgusting to see so many haters.

...and has Hongun carry the team with his all-ins.


Optimus? You know the guy who won the super tournament and lost in RO4 this season.


He's never used in the GSTL. The coach never uses him in TvP situations. He's 0-2 this season versus Puma (before he ditched TSL) and DongRaeGu.

Still think Prime needs to go find a new terran to teach their guys some mech. MKP needs more help than Optimus at the second, but both need to learn some sort of variation if they want a chance at a title. TOP/Optimus showed that Optimus can't depend on splendid micro/splitting/attacking to win a game and needs to learn different builds.

Steal Byun. Try to buy Supernova. Anyone. Prime needs a new terran that doesn't like bio.


You're wrong on all accounts. Polt doesn't get used the same reason NesTea doesn't, the coach thinks the players have what it takes to win and he wants to show them off. That's probably not the best choice to win GSTL, but that's not always the only goal.

PuMa outclassed him with mech (which is to be expected), DRG did a baneling bust, you can't read much into those Bo1's.

Prime doesn't need a Terran to teach them Mech lol. First of all Mech will be nerfed out of TvT with the new patch (and understandably because BFH are OP as shit in TvT) and second of all MKP and Polt are friends with the highest caliber of players. Mvp has practiced for months with MKP because they were the best Terrans at the time and Mvp helped Polt extensively to prepare for MMA. If they really wanted to learn mech they would just have to log into Bnet, many Terrans hate Mech and Bomber acknowledged that Mech is OP but he wants to make Bio work because it's more fun.
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Akhee
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil811 Posts
September 08 2011 13:30 GMT
#3018
On September 08 2011 22:29 Medrea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 22:29 Akhee wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:23 Medrea wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:22 Adreme wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:17 Phats wrote:
Wow I've almost watched every single GSL game since season 1 but I don't think I can handle a 20 out of 32 player Terran playerbase for this next seasons code S. That's just ridiculous, do we really have to wait until HotS to get this pro level more racially diverse ?

O well maybe D3 will draw me away until the terran domination ends ><


I find it annoying that the best players keep choosing terran.


No.

That's not how it works.


hahaha incontrol would punch you in the face til death


Not me right? The other guy?

yea yea I always do it T_T
bobwhiz
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States725 Posts
September 08 2011 13:30 GMT
#3019
I think the less players a race has the more attention a player commands. Thus, JYP, despite playing very poorly in a few of the games will have a bigger fan base than say a random code S terran like TOP, even though TOP may win the GSL.
Signatures are simply a cover for having no personality. -Kiante
jinixxx123
Profile Joined June 2010
543 Posts
September 08 2011 13:31 GMT
#3020
On September 08 2011 22:23 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 22:20 Phyxx wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:18 Krossfire wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:16 Swad1000 wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:13 00Visor wrote:
MKP showed so many great games in GSL history.
He really deserves Code S - maybe not by the games today.
He has an innovative playstyle which will distinguish him from all the others Terrans in Code S.

Disgusting to see so many haters.

...and has Hongun carry the team with his all-ins.


Optimus? You know the guy who won the super tournament and lost in RO4 this season.


He's never used in the GSTL. The coach never uses him in TvP situations. He's 0-2 this season versus Puma (before he ditched TSL) and DongRaeGu.

Still think Prime needs to go find a new terran to teach their guys some mech. MKP needs more help than Optimus at the second, but both need to learn some sort of variation if they want a chance at a title. TOP/Optimus showed that Optimus can't depend on splendid micro/splitting/attacking to win a game and needs to learn different builds.

Steal Byun. Try to buy Supernova. Anyone. Prime needs a new terran that doesn't like bio.



actually Polt went mech against MMA and thats how mma was knocked out of the GSL.

Alot of the prime players know mech is better, but they hate that sytle and love to go bio ( bomber also has announced he hates mech and only going bio regardless if its an inferior strat)
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