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BarbieHsu
Profile Joined September 2011
574 Posts
September 08 2011 13:31 GMT
#3021
1/1/1 is the best build now. I wonder everyone calls it abusive. You wouldn't call the old Bulls abusive for going to MJ every time down the floor. If you have an advantage, it's doing a disservice to the game not to use it.

I'm sure no Protoss wants to advance only because "he didn't 1/1/1 when he could have".
Oktyabr
Profile Joined July 2011
Singapore2234 Posts
September 08 2011 13:31 GMT
#3022
On September 08 2011 22:27 Elthreann wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 22:23 Quintum_ wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:20 wklbishop wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:17 Huragius wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:15 Hyperionnn wrote:
guide to play in code s

1- pick terran
2- get good at tvt
3- do 1-1-1 every single tvp
4- ????
5 -profit


Lol. You whiners are really pathetic. Did you see how JYP and Tester lost their last games to MKP ? I doubt it.


The whiners are also paying customers and viewers. When it reaches a point where there are barely any protoss in Code S, the paying customers no longer want to watch and GOM loses money which will probably put pressure on them to do something.


Even if GOM was dissatisfied what would they do, bar anymore Ts from playing in code S. It is not there game to balance.


The thing is even if they would now make Terran Underpowered, it would take a long time for the races to equal out. It can be quite hard to fall out of code S as some players are showing, by always staying in there, and its not only in the latest seasons, that there have been so many terrans, they are just performing even better now.
But balancing it will not make the races equal after GSL October, it will take a long time until we see race equality in GSL for now.


Not really. You'll just need two seasons of having 2 Terrans demoting out of each group + MC/JYP/Alicia clawing their way back up.

This is all, of course, assuming that future patch changes do change anything. I've been dying to see certain Code S terrans drop out since March.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
September 08 2011 13:31 GMT
#3023
On September 08 2011 22:30 Akhee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 22:29 Medrea wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:29 Akhee wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:23 Medrea wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:22 Adreme wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:17 Phats wrote:
Wow I've almost watched every single GSL game since season 1 but I don't think I can handle a 20 out of 32 player Terran playerbase for this next seasons code S. That's just ridiculous, do we really have to wait until HotS to get this pro level more racially diverse ?

O well maybe D3 will draw me away until the terran domination ends ><


I find it annoying that the best players keep choosing terran.


No.

That's not how it works.


hahaha incontrol would punch you in the face til death


Not me right? The other guy?

yea yea I always do it T_T


Right on. "This race is dominating therefor all the good players are choosing it and those other players are bad"

What terrible terrible logic.
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Zealot Lord
Profile Joined May 2010
Hong Kong747 Posts
September 08 2011 13:31 GMT
#3024
There is no p or z in Starcraft, only "2" many t's =)
snafoo
Profile Joined August 2010
New Zealand1615 Posts
September 08 2011 13:31 GMT
#3025
On September 08 2011 22:29 noddy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 22:26 snafoo wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:25 noddy wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:21 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Glad taeja got through, not so happy MKP got through. Always does 1/1/1 or ghost rush in TvP and he's lucky he was in this particular group over the others.


What a dumb comment. He rarely does 1/1/1 and he did the ghost rush twice.


He won CPL basically playing only 1/1/1....


"basically"

you must have a very broad understanding of 1/1/1. It's funny everytime MKP plays people like Ashe come and whine.


Have you watched the CPL vods? Watch them.... All of his CPL TvP games were 1-1-1 except 1 or 2 which were 3rax...
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
September 08 2011 13:32 GMT
#3026
On September 08 2011 22:30 bobwhiz wrote:
I think the less players a race has the more attention a player commands. Thus, JYP, despite playing very poorly in a few of the games will have a bigger fan base than say a random code S terran like TOP, even though TOP may win the GSL.

Why be a TOP fan when you can be a fan of MVP, Bomber, or MMA
Biane
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia645 Posts
September 08 2011 13:32 GMT
#3027
On September 08 2011 22:18 Krossfire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 22:16 Swad1000 wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:13 00Visor wrote:
MKP showed so many great games in GSL history.
He really deserves Code S - maybe not by the games today.
He has an innovative playstyle which will distinguish him from all the others Terrans in Code S.

Disgusting to see so many haters.


His fanboys are far more annoying. His play today was terrible and he had a free ride to code s with TvP. He will get knocked out as soon as he meets a good zerg/terran.


Well said sir

When was the last time MKP beat any good players consistently? He even gets smacked around in GSTL and has Hongun carry the team with his all-ins.


Wow.....unbelievable.

Yes, his play today was terrible, he took risk he shouldnt have and paid the price, and decided to play stupidly against Taeja. But guess who played slightly worse?

You don't get to code S by losing 13 probes, failing a blink stalker all in etc.

Pro-gamers play to win. MKP was behind 0-2, he had to win. Go hate him all you want, but at the end of it all, he's not playing to please YOU. Can you imagine the consequences should be remain in code A? Maybe you should be in his place and not 1-1-1 when money and your livelihood is all on the line.
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
September 08 2011 13:32 GMT
#3028
Poll: GSL October Round of 16...All Terrans. What do you do?

Stop watching entirely and only check results (52)
 
45%

Only watch your favorite terran players (33)
 
28%

Continue watching like usual (25)
 
22%

Quit GSL and complain some more (6)
 
5%

116 total votes

Your vote: GSL October Round of 16...All Terrans. What do you do?

(Vote): Continue watching like usual
(Vote): Only watch your favorite terran players
(Vote): Stop watching entirely and only check results
(Vote): Quit GSL and complain some more



Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
September 08 2011 13:32 GMT
#3029
On September 08 2011 22:27 dtz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 22:24 ForTheDr3am wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:23 Quintum_ wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:20 wklbishop wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:17 Huragius wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:15 Hyperionnn wrote:
guide to play in code s

1- pick terran
2- get good at tvt
3- do 1-1-1 every single tvp
4- ????
5 -profit


Lol. You whiners are really pathetic. Did you see how JYP and Tester lost their last games to MKP ? I doubt it.


The whiners are also paying customers and viewers. When it reaches a point where there are barely any protoss in Code S, the paying customers no longer want to watch and GOM loses money which will probably put pressure on them to do something.


Even if GOM was dissatisfied what would they do, bar anymore Ts from playing in code S. It is not there game to balance.


Tell Blizzard to do something maybe =p


GOM can control the maps. They did it to help zergs earlier. Removing Kulas, Steppes, Delta etc.

If they are really desperate they can do something as drastic as 3 gas geysers in the main or rich vespene geysers. That will help protoss a lot.

But that also will be extremely dumb and short sighted.

We just saw MKP 1-1-1 on Terminus though which is one of the biggest maps around. There aren't really bad maps for Terran or good maps for Protoss.
LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
September 08 2011 13:32 GMT
#3030
TvT is an awesome match up so this season's Code S will be highly interesting to watch!
☆Grubby ☆| Tod|DeMusliM|ThorZaiN|SaSe|Moon|Mana| ☆HerO ☆
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
September 08 2011 13:32 GMT
#3031
On September 08 2011 22:31 BarbieHsu wrote:
1/1/1 is the best build now. I wonder everyone calls it abusive. You wouldn't call the old Bulls abusive for going to MJ every time down the floor. If you have an advantage, it's doing a disservice to the game not to use it.

I'm sure no Protoss wants to advance only because "he didn't 1/1/1 when he could have".


Huh? Basketball is a perfectly balanced game because every plays the same race, human.
twitch.tv/medrea
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
September 08 2011 13:32 GMT
#3032
On September 08 2011 22:31 snafoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 22:29 noddy wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:26 snafoo wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:25 noddy wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:21 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Glad taeja got through, not so happy MKP got through. Always does 1/1/1 or ghost rush in TvP and he's lucky he was in this particular group over the others.


What a dumb comment. He rarely does 1/1/1 and he did the ghost rush twice.


He won CPL basically playing only 1/1/1....


"basically"

you must have a very broad understanding of 1/1/1. It's funny everytime MKP plays people like Ashe come and whine.


Have you watched the CPL vods? Watch them.... All of his CPL TvP games were 1-1-1 except 1 or 2 which were 3rax...

i swear to god I literally have not seen an MKP TvP game that wasn't either a 1-1-1, FE ghost rush, or 3 rax all in
Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-08 13:33:48
September 08 2011 13:32 GMT
#3033
On September 08 2011 22:30 bobwhiz wrote:
I think the less players a race has the more attention a player commands. Thus, JYP, despite playing very poorly in a few of the games will have a bigger fan base than say a random code S terran like TOP, even though TOP may win the GSL.


So JYP played poorly vs Violet?
And by your logic, Inca has more fans than TOP, right?
poorcloud
Profile Joined April 2011
Singapore2748 Posts
September 08 2011 13:32 GMT
#3034
On September 08 2011 22:31 jinixxx123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 22:23 Fionn wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:20 Phyxx wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:18 Krossfire wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:16 Swad1000 wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:13 00Visor wrote:
MKP showed so many great games in GSL history.
He really deserves Code S - maybe not by the games today.
He has an innovative playstyle which will distinguish him from all the others Terrans in Code S.

Disgusting to see so many haters.

...and has Hongun carry the team with his all-ins.


Optimus? You know the guy who won the super tournament and lost in RO4 this season.


He's never used in the GSTL. The coach never uses him in TvP situations. He's 0-2 this season versus Puma (before he ditched TSL) and DongRaeGu.

Still think Prime needs to go find a new terran to teach their guys some mech. MKP needs more help than Optimus at the second, but both need to learn some sort of variation if they want a chance at a title. TOP/Optimus showed that Optimus can't depend on splendid micro/splitting/attacking to win a game and needs to learn different builds.

Steal Byun. Try to buy Supernova. Anyone. Prime needs a new terran that doesn't like bio.



actually Polt went mech against MMA and thats how mma was knocked out of the GSL.

Alot of the prime players know mech is better, but they hate that sytle and love to go bio ( bomber also has announced he hates mech and only going bio regardless if its an inferior strat)


Polt actually played really well with bio against Top. I thought his reasons for losing were just bad tactical mistakes and not moving his scvs to mine properly, bad economy management.
He was engaging right and all that.
Sad that bomber decides to dick around. He will be the best T v Ter (if he is not already) if he always goes mech.
OnlineHero
Profile Joined February 2011
Denmark647 Posts
September 08 2011 13:33 GMT
#3035
On September 08 2011 22:32 Fionn wrote:
Poll: GSL October Round of 16...All Terrans. What do you do?

Stop watching entirely and only check results (52)
 
45%

Only watch your favorite terran players (33)
 
28%

Continue watching like usual (25)
 
22%

Quit GSL and complain some more (6)
 
5%

116 total votes

Your vote: GSL October Round of 16...All Terrans. What do you do?

(Vote): Continue watching like usual
(Vote): Only watch your favorite terran players
(Vote): Stop watching entirely and only check results
(Vote): Quit GSL and complain some more





Watch code A
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zocktol
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany1928 Posts
September 08 2011 13:33 GMT
#3036
Could people stop bashing MKP? I mean sure he seems like a whiny little boy, but he is a good player. If you don't like his attitude, go cheer for manly players, like Ryung, who has 0 emotions, unless he looses Slayers chance to advance into the GSTL playoffs.

If anything is wrong with the balance of T, it is not the fault of the players. It rather is the faulty game design.

Just be positive guys, cheer for the guy you want to win and if you just want someone to loose, than cheer for his opponent and don't call people cheesy noobs. PLEASE TL LR people, PLEASE be positive. Thank you
poorcloud
Profile Joined April 2011
Singapore2748 Posts
September 08 2011 13:34 GMT
#3037
On September 08 2011 22:32 Biane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 22:18 Krossfire wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:16 Swad1000 wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:13 00Visor wrote:
MKP showed so many great games in GSL history.
He really deserves Code S - maybe not by the games today.
He has an innovative playstyle which will distinguish him from all the others Terrans in Code S.

Disgusting to see so many haters.


His fanboys are far more annoying. His play today was terrible and he had a free ride to code s with TvP. He will get knocked out as soon as he meets a good zerg/terran.


Well said sir

When was the last time MKP beat any good players consistently? He even gets smacked around in GSTL and has Hongun carry the team with his all-ins.


Wow.....unbelievable.

Yes, his play today was terrible, he took risk he shouldnt have and paid the price, and decided to play stupidly against Taeja. But guess who played slightly worse?

You don't get to code S by losing 13 probes, failing a blink stalker all in etc.

Pro-gamers play to win. MKP was behind 0-2, he had to win. Go hate him all you want, but at the end of it all, he's not playing to please YOU. Can you imagine the consequences should be remain in code A? Maybe you should be in his place and not 1-1-1 when money and your livelihood is all on the line.


The main reason is that mkp general play is horrible and is bad for viewers like us. Not hating on him but i wish he wouldn't get into code S because his play is relatively bad. There is nothing wrong with hoping he drops so we can get higher quality of games.
Eufouria
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom4425 Posts
September 08 2011 13:35 GMT
#3038
On September 08 2011 22:30 poorcloud wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2011 22:26 Eufouria wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:22 poorcloud wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:19 Eufouria wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:14 OrchidThief wrote:
On September 08 2011 22:13 00Visor wrote:
MKP showed so many great games in GSL history.
He really deserves Code S - maybe not by the games today.
He has an innovative playstyle which will distinguish him from all the others Terrans in Code S.

Disgusting to see so many haters.


Innovative, really? He spent the first two seasons making nothing but marines and bringing SCV's.

Current TvZ still uses ideas that MarineKing pioneered in open season 2.


How?
U mean mass marines with medivac?
Thats not even viable anymore.
If your talking about marine splitting, mvp did it way better and it probably was already on the ladder for a long while.
Slayers pioneered the blue flame into marine tank play.
MVP was the marine tank solid macro.
Someone else did full mech.
What did mkp pioneer exactly? 2 rax + scv all in?

Before him I don't remember any Terran being able to put so much pressure on a Zerg early game with a 12/14 rax. Also he popularised the 1 rax expand.


I grant you the 2 rax pressure.
Even then, his play recently has been really off code S level play and that is why i don't think he deserves to be in code S.
God did you watch his code A games this season? Playing T v Z without walling off, struggling with every match but somehow he manages to win.
Only thing is that i suppose he will be found out soon and drop if he stays at this level of play.

I agree completely. I'm a fanboy, but there is no doubt that he is one of the weaker Terrans in code S this season. Glancing at the list only Virus and Ensnare jump out at me as definitely weaker than him and Byun, Yoda and sC who are all in code A this season are all probably playing better than him.

I just hope that getting back into code S is the hurdle he needed to get over and we can see a return to form, especially now mech TvT seems slightly less common and that was 1 problem he had.
movac
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada494 Posts
September 08 2011 13:35 GMT
#3039
so many terrans!!!! and so many good ones!!! Nestea is not amused. lol
I think the situation can still be decent by ro16 if like 10 to 12 of them fail to advance kinda like in august where a terran droped out for every protoss/zerg.
ladyumbra
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada1699 Posts
September 08 2011 13:35 GMT
#3040
Overalll race count for code A and S

Terran 28
Zerg 19
Protoss 17

Still Terran favoured but things aren't as bad as they seem.

Is it wrong that I sort of want a team kill scenario between MKP and Polt just because I like watching bio play in TvT?
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